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Re: Update: 3 hours tanking + movie external tank

Dr John Stockton29 Jul 2005 22:13
JRS:  In article <0001HW.BF0E864702637300F0284550@enews.newsguy.com>,
dated Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:55:35, seen in news:sci.space.shuttle, Herb
Schaltegger <herb.schaltegger@NOSPAMgmail.com.INVALID> posted :

>> Can you (or other) provide a concise but authoritative reference for
>> that?  I've seen a mention in Risks Digest.  I will need to update, at
>> least, my <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/uksumtim.htm>, some of my
>> js-date*.htm material, and some programs.
>
><http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/22/congress.daylighttime.ap/>

Well, I asked for "concise".  That took 30 seconds or so, then jammed
the browser window.

>First hit on a Google search for "U.S. daylight savings time extension"
>.  Didn't seem all that difficult to find.

Google searches are always easy if one knows what to search for,  As a
dial-up user, however, I prefer to use News as a discussion medium, so
that poor answers can be corrected by others.

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Herb Schaltegger28 Jul 2005 17:55
> JRS:  In article <0001HW.BF0D37840237EE93F0284550@enews.newsguy.com>,
> dated Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:07:16, seen in news:sci.space.shuttle, Herb
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> least, my <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/uksumtim.htm>, some of my
> js-date*.htm material, and some programs.

<http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/22/congress.daylighttime.ap/>

First hit on a Google search for "U.S. daylight savings time extension"
.  Didn't seem all that difficult to find.

> The rest of the world is frequently annoyed by US-specific date/time
> habits : the 12-hour clock, MM/DD/YYYY ;

And we're annoyed by your continued misspellings of "color".  It's
tough old world, isn't it?

> it will be amusing to see you
> annoy yourselves by making so much software (and IIRC hardware) out-of-
> date, especially if it is done at short notice.

Most modern consumer software syncs to time servers anyway so any
change to DST dates are going to make little difference to most folks
in a practical sense.

> IIRC, Canada and Mexico have, for obvious reasons, chosen to use the
> same change dates as the USA - will they have a democratic voice in the
> decision?

Sure - they can decide to go along with it or not.  What other input
should they be allowed to have?  Hell, some part of the U.S. don't
follow DST as it is, so what do we care if Canada or Mexico do?

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Dr John Stockton28 Jul 2005 11:34
JRS:  In article <0001HW.BF0D37840237EE93F0284550@enews.newsguy.com>,
dated Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:07:16, seen in news:sci.space.shuttle, Herb
Schaltegger <herb.schaltegger@NOSPAMgmail.com.INVALID> posted :
>> The East Coast of the USA is always five hours behind us, except for the
>> March/April week, when they are six hours behind us, and for a few hours
>> near the end of October, when they are only four hours behind us.
>>
>> If you have javascript, you can probably do the conversions at
>> <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-date5.htm>.

>And it's going to get weirder because we're about to extend "Daylight
>Savings Time" to cover most of the year instead of just about half.

Can you (or other) provide a concise but authoritative reference for
that?  I've seen a mention in Risks Digest.  I will need to update, at
least, my <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/uksumtim.htm>, some of my
js-date*.htm material, and some programs.

The rest of the world is frequently annoyed by US-specific date/time
habits : the 12-hour clock, MM/DD/YYYY ; it will be amusing to see you
annoy yourselves by making so much software (and IIRC hardware) out-of-
date, especially if it is done at short notice.

IIRC, Canada and Mexico have, for obvious reasons, chosen to use the
same change dates as the USA - will they have a democratic voice in the
decision?

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Herb Schaltegger27 Jul 2005 18:07
> JRS:  In article <INoFe.77333$G8.925@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, dated
> Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:05:12, seen in news:sci.space.shuttle, Brian Gaff
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-date5.htm>.
>  

And it's going to get weirder because we're about to extend "Daylight
Savings Time" to cover most of the year instead of just about half.

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Dr John Stockton27 Jul 2005 16:52
JRS:  In article <INoFe.77333$G8.925@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, dated
Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:05:12, seen in news:sci.space.shuttle, Brian Gaff
<Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> posted :

>Is that just after 14.38 gmt, or is that what it is in bst, my brain hurts.

The East Coast of the USA is always five hours behind us, except for the
March/April week, when they are six hours behind us, and for a few hours
near the end of October, when they are only four hours behind us.

If you have javascript, you can probably do the conversions at
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-date5.htm>.

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Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.


Brian Gaff26 Jul 2005 11:05
Is that just after 14.38 gmt, or is that what it is in bst, my brain hurts.
I think we should all just adopt the same time and just get used to it..
(Brian who knows this is a physical impossibility, rather like a one
dimensional object.

B

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> windows media stream : http://space44.sp.funpic.de/gigashare8.php
>
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> http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/launch/launch-vlcc.html

John26 Jul 2005 09:03
windows media stream : http://space44.sp.funpic.de/gigashare8.php

Nasa TV live: http://space-tv.6x.to

- Realplayer 350/225/150K streams
- Windows Media player: 150K stream
- replay's

4:45 a.m. - T-3 hours and holding. Good morning, and welcome to the
Virtual Launch Control Center. Space Shuttle Discovery is poised for
launch at Kennedy Space Center's Launch Pad 39B, and so far the
countdown is proceeding smoothly toward a liftoff later this morning at
10:30 a.m. EDT.

Fueling of the massive orange External Tank began at 12:48 a.m. with
the chilldown thermal conditioning of the propellant lines in
preparation for the pumping of 500,000 gallons of super-cold
propellants. Tanking began at 1 a.m. and entered stable replenish at
3:39 a.m. EDT.

The engine cut-off (ECO) sensors in the External Tank were tested from
wet to dry state during the tanking process, and are performing as
expected.

At this time the Final Inspection Team, also known as the ice team, is
conducting its two hour inspection of the launch pad.

Another big concern for today -- the weather -- is looking more
promising. We're now up to an 80% probability of favorable weather at
launch time.

http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/launch/launch-vlcc.html

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