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Re: Hubble deep field question

John Polasek25 Feb 2010 15:15
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:00:01 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
<dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:

>Dear Craig Franck:
>
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>
>No.  A Z of 1 is "receeding" at c.

No, at red shift 6, they would be traveling at c*6/7 =0.857c, because
in fact v/c = z/1+z.
You are making the common error of assuming that v/c =z.
This is a Doppler effect, in which v(z) is widely misinterpreted, even
on NASA's site. I am preparing a paper on this topic.

>http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm
>... the text below the little sketch with the text "You're
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>
>David A. Smith

John Polasek

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)23 Jan 2009 00:00
Dear Craig Franck:

> I'm reading "Chasing Hubble's Shadows" by Jeff
> Kanipe, and he states on page 140 that "blobjects"
> at redshift 6 that were 13,000 light years across
> would appear 0.2 seconds of arc in size. But that's
> assuming the light left when the object was 12.7
> billion light years away.

No,, that assumes the objects look to be 12.7 Gly away "now".

> I had thought that the objects would have been
> much closer when the light first left and it took
> 12.7 billion years to reach us because of cosmic
> expansion, which would not have made the
> objects look smaller.

... and hence further away, and with the correct intensity.

> At redshift 6 they would be traveling at about
> 0.9c,

No.  A Z of 1 is "receeding" at c.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm
... the text below the little sketch with the text "You're
receding"

> but how would you figure out how far away they
> were when the light first left from that? I thought it
> would be 1/6 * 12.7bly, but that's assuming the
> author is wrong, which may not be warranted.

I think you are trying to get to a number that has little
meaning.

David A. Smith

Craig Franck22 Jan 2009 22:55
I'm reading "Chasing Hubble's Shadows" by Jeff Kanipe, and he
states on page 140 that "blobjects" at redshift 6 that were
13,000 light years across would appear 0.2 seconds of arc in
size. But that's assuming the light left when the object was 12.7
billion light years away.

I had thought that the objects would have been much closer when
the light first left and it took 12.7 billion years to reach us because
of cosmic expansion, which would not have made the objects look
smaller.

At redshift 6 they would be traveling at about 0.9c, but how would
you figure out how far away they were when the light first left from
that? I thought it would be 1/6 * 12.7bly, but that's assuming the
author is wrong, which may not be warranted.

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Cortland, NY


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