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John - 15 Jul 2008 06:59 GMT
OK campers,

What is this . . . the best I could come up with was a mounting point
on the many-tired trailer you occassionally see being used to move
orbiters around.  But, why the note indicated which way goes up?  I
mean between all the times its been done and the use of in hand
procedures . . . this seems a little silly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG

The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.

Take care  . . .

John
Damon Hill - 15 Jul 2008 08:11 GMT
> OK campers,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> mean between all the times its been done and the use of in hand
> procedures . . . this seems a little silly.

It's an aft(?) mounting point on one of the converted 747 Shuttle carriers,
and yes, it's silly.  More or less identical to the mounting points on
the External Tank and plugs into the same location on the orbiter.  The
trailers probably have a similar mount.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Edw-NASA-747-N905NA-030126-02.jpg


> The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.

Dibs!

--Damon
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) - 15 Jul 2008 21:13 GMT
> > OK campers,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> the External Tank and plugs into the same location on the orbiter.  The
> trailers probably have a similar mount.

The other mount says "Lefty loosy, righty tighty".

Mary "Just a bit of humor"
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 16 Jul 2008 03:52 GMT
> The other mount says "Lefty loosy, righty tighty".

Thanks.  I didn't have my Jenkins with me here in DC.  Couldn't remember it.

BTW, Mary did you get my email about me meeting a former coworker of yours?

> Mary "Just a bit of humor"

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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) - 16 Jul 2008 21:58 GMT
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

> > The other mount says "Lefty loosy, righty tighty".
>
> Thanks.  I didn't have my Jenkins with me here in DC.  Couldn't remember it.
>
> BTW, Mary did you get my email about me meeting a former coworker of yours?

Sure did..  
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 17 Jul 2008 02:11 GMT
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sure did..

Cool.  I've had some weirdness with mail lately.

So s.s.s regulars, I haven't met the Grand Lady of s.s.s yet, but I've met
people who knew her.  It's one step closer. ;-)

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John - 17 Jul 2008 14:57 GMT
On Jul 16, 9:11 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:

> Cool.  I've had some weirdness with mail lately.
>
> So s.s.s regulars, I haven't met the Grand Lady of s.s.s yet, but I've met
> people who knew her.  It's one step closer. ;-)

Son, that isn't lust in your heart, is it? (kidding)

A woman in love with aeronautics has to be stunningly attractive (NOT
kidding)

Take care all,

John
John - 17 Jul 2008 15:23 GMT
> On Jul 16, 9:11 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> John

Oh, and regarding the earlier posting regarding the ARocket mail list,
I subscribed.  And I love it.  All the headers and stuff make it a
little difficult to find the real content, but that's the point, there
is REAL content.

Take care . . .

John
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 17 Jul 2008 16:59 GMT
You do understand that would be like lusting for Diana of the hunt in Greek
Mythology.

Many man may have tried, but like Icarus flying to close to the sun, it's
not good for your health.

On Jul 16, 9:11 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:

> Cool. I've had some weirdness with mail lately.
>
> So s.s.s regulars, I haven't met the Grand Lady of s.s.s yet, but I've met
> people who knew her. It's one step closer. ;-)

Son, that isn't lust in your heart, is it? (kidding)

A woman in love with aeronautics has to be stunningly attractive (NOT
kidding)

Take care all,

John

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Jorge R. Frank - 18 Jul 2008 01:45 GMT
> You do understand that would be like lusting for Diana of the hunt in Greek
> Mythology.
>
> Many man may have tried, but like Icarus flying to close to the sun, it's
> not good for your health.

Hmm? Did something happen to Ken Iliff when I wasn't looking?
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 18 Jul 2008 02:01 GMT
>> You do understand that would be like lusting for Diana of the hunt in
>> Greek Mythology.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Hmm? Did something happen to Ken Iliff when I wasn't looking?

No.  He's simply above us mere mortals.

I thought that was obvious. :-)

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OM - 19 Jul 2008 02:46 GMT
>A woman in love with aeronautics has to be stunningly attractive (NOT
>kidding)

...Pancho Barnes was pretty attractive in her day :-)

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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 15 Jul 2008 12:06 GMT
> OK campers,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.

As Damon pointed out, this is on the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft.  Yes, folks
there have a sense of humor.

I believe this photo was taken by our very own Jorge R. Frank.  He's
provided several for use in Dennis Jenkin's book Space Shuttle.

I do wonder (and will leave it to Jorge to answer) if this photo is in fact
his, if this photo is in the public domain.

> Take care  . . .
>
> John

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Jorge R. Frank - 16 Jul 2008 02:22 GMT
>> OK campers,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I do wonder (and will leave it to Jorge to answer) if this photo is in fact
> his, if this photo is in the public domain.

That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) - 16 Jul 2008 03:10 GMT
> >> OK campers,
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.

Maybe Tom Landers or someone else from the Dryden photo lab.  The SCA
lives at Dryden, after all.

Mary "You did remember that, didn't you?"
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Jorge R. Frank - 16 Jul 2008 04:08 GMT
>>>> OK campers,
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Maybe Tom Landers or someone else from the Dryden photo lab.

You're going to make me look, aren't you. :-)

OK, I looked. The Wikipedia photo isn't the same one that's in Jenkins.
I have no idea who shot the Wikipedia photo, but the photo in Jenkins
was shot by Tony Landis of Dryden.

Interestingly, the Landis photo (which is N905NA) has

CAUTION PLACE OBITER(sic)
HERE BLACK SIDE DOWN
LEFTY LOOSY
RIGHTY TIGHTY

all on the same side of one pylon, and the lettering is visibly
stenciled. So either the Wikipedia photo was of N911NA, or maybe 905 was
repainted and the lettering re-applied between the times of the Landis
photo and the Wikipedia photo.

> The SCA
> lives at Dryden, after all.
>
> Mary "You did remember that, didn't you?"

Oh, I just thought Kim had snapped the photo while the SCA was at KSC.
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 16 Jul 2008 05:23 GMT
>> That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.
>
> Maybe Tom Landers or someone else from the Dryden photo lab.  The SCA
> lives at Dryden, after all.
>
> Mary "You did remember that, didn't you?"

Of course not, that's what we have you for. :-)

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Jeff Findley - 16 Jul 2008 18:28 GMT
>> Mary "You did remember that, didn't you?"
>
> Of course not, that's what we have you for. :-)

Truly, Mary is one of the indispensable regulars of the sci.space groups.

Jeff
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snidely - 16 Jul 2008 19:50 GMT
On Jul 16, 10:28 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com>
wrote:

> >> Mary "You did remember that, didn't you?"
>
> > Of course not, that's what we have you for. :-)
>
> Truly, Mary is one of the indispensable regulars of the sci.space groups.

*And* she can knit an APC (Attachment Point Cover) with a fractal
design on it!  And a scarf for the PLT to wear!

/dps "now to work some snakes into it"
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 16 Jul 2008 05:22 GMT
> That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.

Ah sorry, I was confusing you two. :-)

How is Kim these days?

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Jorge R. Frank - 17 Jul 2008 03:50 GMT
>> That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.
>
> Ah sorry, I was confusing you two. :-)
>
> How is Kim these days?

Landed on his feet and doing quite fine, from what I hear (second-hand,
sadly).
Alan Erskine - 17 Jul 2008 06:24 GMT
>>> That photo is way too good to be anything I shot. Had to be Kim Keller.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Landed on his feet and doing quite fine, from what I hear (second-hand,
> sadly).

Kim posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for a short time, but not for a
while now.  Great pictures too.  Glad to hear he's doing OK.
OM - 19 Jul 2008 02:37 GMT
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:06:07 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG
>>
>> The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.
>
>As Damon pointed out, this is on the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft.  Yes, folks
>there have a sense of humor.

...Remember, we live in a day and age where patients who are getting
limbs amputated are asked to write "YES!" on the limb that's going
away with a large Sharpie so the surgeon doesn't get too confused.

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Jeff Findley - 15 Jul 2008 14:04 GMT
> OK campers,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG

It's a JOKE!  Yes, even aerospace workers have a sense of humor.

> The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.

Henry is alive and well and posts regularly to the arocket e-mail list.  I
know, e-mail lists are antiquated, but they have several advantages.  One of
which is you can ban trouble makers very easily, which greatly increases the
signal to noise ratio.

The only way I keep the signal to noise ratio down in the sci.space groups
is a liberal use of a killfile.

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Damon Hill - 15 Jul 2008 17:50 GMT

> Henry is alive and well and posts regularly to the arocket e-mail
> list.  I know, e-mail lists are antiquated, but they have several
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The only way I keep the signal to noise ratio down in the sci.space
> groups is a liberal use of a killfile.

Another kook filter is to restrict messages cross-posted to more than
three newsgroups.  Many such folk seem compelled to spew their dreck
as widely as possible, and most replies don't trim out irrelevant
groups, so I get to miss a lot of nonsense.  :)

Killfiles, regularly maintained, mop up most of the rest...

--Damon
Alan Erskine - 15 Jul 2008 18:47 GMT
> Another kook filter is to restrict messages cross-posted to more than
> three newsgroups.  Many such folk seem compelled to spew their dreck
> as widely as possible, and most replies don't trim out irrelevant
> groups, so I get to miss a lot of nonsense.  :)

Most trolls go for five groups - the maximum most ISPs allow.  Setting KF's
at three groups does remove most trolling.
John - 15 Jul 2008 18:44 GMT
On Jul 15, 9:04 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com>
wrote:

> It's a JOKE!  Yes, even aerospace workers have a sense of humor.
>
> > The winner gets an "I miss Henry (and Rusty, et al) t-shirt.
>
> Henry is alive and well and posts regularly to the arocket e-mail list.  I
> know, e-mail lists are antiquated, but they have several advantages.  

WOW . . . you mean reasonable, on topic, non-rant class information.
What a concept *S*
Could it be possible . . . something as good as back in the day when
this place was haunt of Pad Rat and others? I for one, hope so

Take care all

John
John Doe - 15 Jul 2008 22:19 GMT
> Could it be possible . . . something as good as back in the day when
> this place was haunt of Pad Rat and others? I for one, hope so

Consider who in this group are so quick to insult posters and qualify
them as ignorant people who shouldn't be posting here. (instead of
answering their questions politely and professionally).

There were a few well knowledgeable people who took pleasure in
answering people's questions, but there were equally many who took
pleasure in insulting those they felt weren't qualified to participate
in the group.
Jeff Findley - 16 Jul 2008 18:26 GMT
> Consider who in this group are so quick to insult posters and qualify
> them as ignorant people who shouldn't be posting here. (instead of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pleasure in insulting those they felt weren't qualified to participate
> in the group.

If the question comes across as genuine (not a troll) *and* isn't something
absurd that's been answered dozens of times in the past, then I think
responses are still generally polite and professional.  But, there are only
so many troll postings, "Apollo lunar landings faked", and "shuttle to the
moon" postings that one can take before becoming a bit short with the
original poster.

Jeff
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