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Space Forum / Shuttle / July 2008Pack bags for May 31st, 2010 Last Shuttle flight scheduled
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5876061.html I still expect this to change.  SignatureGreg Moore SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available! Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5876061.html > > I still expect this to change. Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? >> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5876061.html >> >> I still expect this to change. > > Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave > themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? Yes. NASA's reaction to the Columbia disaster made the end of the shuttle program inevitable. It's possible a few more flights might be added or the schedule may slip a bit, but it's going to end. Part of the reason for "the gap" is Griffin's desire to develop Ares I/Orion. The shuttle facilities will need quite a bit of modification and new construction in order to fly Ares I instead of the shuttle. It would be very expensive to try to fly them both at the same time. Jeff SignatureA clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein >Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave >themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? That's a two-part question, to which (with any luck) the answers are respectively Yes and No. NASA does not speak for America. And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex- Soviets already ship launchers to (?) Long Beach and a launch site to Kourou. Signature(c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. >And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes >and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex- >Soviets already ship launchers to (?) Long Beach and a launch site to >Kourou. For a modest price, we could launch Orion on Delta IV or Atlas V as well. But the Ares is part of an infrastructure for going back to the Moon and then on to Mar. So thus far, The President, Congress and NASA are willing to put up with a few years gap in order to develop that infrastructure. We really need to review that infrastructure plan in light of difficulties encountered with Ares and Orion, but so far, those attempting to do so are being told to shut up and color. Brian >> And I dare say that, for a price, Europe could build a few extra Arianes >> and ship then to a more northerly part of the West Shore. And the ex- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are willing to put up with a few years gap in order to develop that > infrastructure. It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969? I thought the moon was the stepping stone to the planets, and then the stars. I thought there would be more progress in this direction in my lifetime. I'm really disappointed. > We really need to review that infrastructure plan in light of > difficulties encountered with Ares and Orion, but so far, those > attempting to do so are being told to shut up and color. > > Brian Signature"Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they'll learn English; you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish." Barack Hussein Obama >It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969? Yes, with about six times the budget. Brian In sci.space.shuttle message <7xvgk.4157$bN2.2759@bignews9.bellsouth.net >, Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:24:56, "johnny@." <johnny@?.?.invalid> posted: > >It shouldn't be that hard going back to the moon. Didn't we do it in 1969? No : an earlier generation did it. Essentially none of them will have an active part in the return attempt. Signature(c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05. Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms PAS EXE etc : <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see 00index.htm Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc. my prediction, the new crew vehicle will get placed on delta heavy existing expendables as it should have from day one. the moon mars plan will be delayed, but studied.......... nasa loves studying stuff the shuttle will continue to fly till the new crew vehicle is operational, or the shuttles next accident whichever comes first...... obama priorties will be afghan war, energy, and our economy. there wouldnt be bucks for space, ISS will be lucky if it survives the budget ax. our entire country is just getting the message, were becoming a 2nd class country, being bankrupted by oil costs and excess pork spending. the current recession will only get worse becoming a mini depression > Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave > themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V was retired in favor of the STS? And why would any recent/upcoming Administration and/or NASA management be less likely to repeat that? -- Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. >> Are the Americans really going to retire the shuttle in 2010 and leave >> themselves unable to put people in space for 3 or 4 years? > >Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V >was retired in favor of the STS? That was the plan. The reality was 6 years. I wouldn't rule out a 6 year gap this time, either. Brian Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> wrote >> > >Isn't that exactly what happened when the Saturn V > >was retired in favor of the STS? > That was the plan. The reality was 6 years. And there was more on the line then, too. An unmanned space station (Skylab) was depending on STS for a reboost. Didn't get it. Poof. At least during this gap the US can buy launch seats to ISS from the RKA, although I shouldn't be at all surprised if RKA "discovers" they need to raise the price of the tickets post-STS. > I wouldn't rule out a 6 year gap this time, either. I wouldn't rule out an infinite gap. Ares looks to me a lot like the effort to rebuild the WTC in NYC. 7 years later it's still a hole in the ground. After STS is parted out to museums, Branson/Rutan gen3 hardware may get back to ISS before NASA's deja vue Apollo II Lite Jr. hardware does. -- Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. >And there was more on the line then, too. >An unmanned space station (Skylab) was depending >on STS for a reboost. Didn't get it. Poof. No it wasn't, that was an afterthought. There were no plans to occupy SkyLab beyond SkyLab 4. And it wasn't all Shuttle's fault. When launched in 1973, SkyLab was expected to have a 9-to-10 year orbital lifetime, instead it came down in 1979. Shuttle was expected to fly in November 1978 but slipped to April 1981. The Shuttle/SkyLab TRS flight was originally to be something like the 5th or 6th Shuttle flight. As the Shuttle was delayed and SkyLab's entry period advanced, that moved all the way up to STS-2 before the two dates passed one another going in opposite directions. >At least during this gap the US can buy launch seats >to ISS from the RKA, although I shouldn't be at >all surprised if RKA "discovers" they need to raise >the price of the tickets post-STS. Count on it. Brian |
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