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Brian Gaff - 04 Jun 2008 14:04 GMT
So have any pictures of the damage made it on line as yet? Not that these
are much good tome, but I did wonder about the orientation of the stack as
respect to the damage in, and the  fence etc caused by debris. I was
wondering if anything could have hit the vertical stabiliser and whether
anyone had check for this problem.

Brian

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sauteedshrimp@yahoo.com - 04 Jun 2008 15:26 GMT
> So have any pictures of the damage made it on line as yet? Not that these
> are much good tome, but I did wonder about the orientation of the stack as
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back in your hole, you faygay britblokefrog!  why doesn't your
country, england,
develop their own space program instead of piggy backing off the
United States.

and, for that matter, develop your own defense systems?  if it had
not been for
the United States in WWII, you limey brits would be speaking German
and/or
Japanese now!

*spank!*
Brian Gaff - 04 Jun 2008 17:17 GMT
I enjoy a good spank,,,, erm aI mean laugh!

Don't mention the wr!

Brian

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On Jun 4, 9:04 am, "Brian Gaff" <Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> So have any pictures of the damage made it on line as yet? Not that these
> are much good tome, but I did wonder about the orientation of the stack as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Email: bria...@blueyonder.co.uk
> ___________________________________________________________________________­___________________________________

back in your hole, you faygay britblokefrog!  why doesn't your
country, england,
develop their own space program instead of piggy backing off the
United States.

and, for that matter, develop your own defense systems?  if it had
not been for
the United States in WWII, you limey brits would be speaking German
and/or
Japanese now!

*spank!*
OM - 04 Jun 2008 17:27 GMT
>back in your hole, you faygay britblokefrog!  why doesn't your
>country, england,
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>and/or
>Japanese now!

...Hmm. From someone obviously not using a newsreader that properly
formats posts, it's obvious you're just trolling. Probably one of the
usual smegma-breathed rejects that harass the regulars around here to
compensate for the embarassment of having been willingly molested by
at least three of your elder male relatives - two of which are still
coming over on weekends for that same purpose - and having not had the
intelligence to at least charge them a supply of candy for your
services.

>*spank!*

...More like >PLONK<.

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Brian Gaff - 05 Jun 2008 08:48 GMT
None theless, it gave me a chuckle, whatever it was.

Brian

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>>back in your hole, you faygay britblokefrog!  why doesn't your
>>country, england,
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> OM
Brian Thorn - 04 Jun 2008 15:36 GMT
>So have any pictures of the damage made it on line as yet? Not that these
>are much good tome, but I did wonder about the orientation of the stack as
>respect to the damage in, and the  fence etc caused by debris. I was
>wondering if anything could have hit the vertical stabiliser and whether
>anyone had check for this problem.

Yes, there are pictures, rather impressive, too.

However, the damage is on the north side of the flame trench, while
Discovery's vertical stabilizer pointed south while on the launch pad.
Flying debris would have needed to fly through the ET and SRBs (or
some really creative ricocheting against the blast of the SRBs) in
order to do damage to Discovery.

Brian
Brian Gaff - 04 Jun 2008 17:20 GMT
Ah, right, this is a bit strange, seeing as the smes are pointed the other
way really.

I often wonder if all that water just seeps into the ground through the
bricks after launch.

Brian

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>>So have any pictures of the damage made it on line as yet? Not that these
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> Brian
TimK - 14 Jun 2008 01:19 GMT
> Ah, right, this is a bit strange, seeing as the smes are pointed the other
> way really.
>
> I often wonder if all that water just seeps into the ground through the
> bricks after launch.

No.  It goes into holding tanks where it's treated to neutralize the pH and
discharged to the seepage area between the tanks.
John Doe - 05 Jun 2008 00:46 GMT
> wondering if anything could have hit the vertical stabiliser and whether
> anyone had check for this problem.

The shuttle stack is fairly high up.

First, the mobile launch platform is quite a bit higher than the flame
trench. (Remember that their needs to be enough space for the mobile
transporter to fit between the launch platform and the ground around the
trench.

 Secondly, the shuttle stack is on 2 feet: the SRBs. Only the SRBs
touch the launch platform deck. The tank and shuttle are attached to the
SRBs in such a way that their bottom portion is off the ground.
Who Needs Fenders? - 06 Jun 2008 01:39 GMT
>> wondering if anything could have hit the vertical stabiliser and whether
>> anyone had check for this problem.
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> touch the launch platform deck. The tank and shuttle are attached to the
> SRBs in such a way that their bottom portion is off the ground.

Thirdly, the flame trench in question faces toward the "belly" of the
orbiter (tank/SRB side).  Any debris would have hit the SRBs or ET...
 
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