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Space Forum / Shuttle / February 2008CDR & Pilot Illness
With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick - Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ? Of course it would be able to if nothing untoward would happned but what if some event happen that required human input? Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the two front seats ? Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some other people have landed a Shuttle. No expansion on this was given, however, I expect someone on hear knows the details for this crew though. I mean, one could ask the same question about every aircraft you fly on! Brian  SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick - > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the > two front seats ? > Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some > other people have landed a Shuttle. No expansion on this was given, however, > I expect someone on hear knows the details for this crew though. > I mean, one could ask the same question about every aircraft you fly > on! Ted Striker! -- Todd H. http://toddh.net/ >Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some >other people have landed a Shuttle. Probably in the simulators. Absolutely not in the real world. Brian > With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick - > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the > two front seats ? Worst case scenario, there's only a couple of items that positively have to be done by people (deploying landing gear and pitot tubes). Those could be coached from the ground. SignatureGreg Moore SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available! Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote: > > Worst case scenario, there's only a couple of items that > positively have to be done by people (deploying landing > gear and pitot tubes). The problem with this WCS however, is that if both flight crew are incapacitated late in the mission, odds are probably higher that everyone is, and not just those specific two. > Those [pax] could be coached from the ground. Take air data. If they don't lose comms because they don't know how to operate the radios and antennae. Recent discussions here suggested that there now exist workarounds for full auto-land (most likely of an unoccupied orbiter unsafe to re-enter with crew). If so, the pax would be instructed to engage that gear, sit back and enjoy the ride (or remain on station). The basenote question, however, remains. Is any sort of contingency training done on this? -- Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. > "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > odds are probably higher that everyone is, > and not just those specific two. Right. This is a really low probability hypothetical here. >> Those [pax] could be coached from the ground. > > Take air data. > > If they don't lose comms because they don't know how > to operate the radios and antennae. The MSes (specifically MS2) are trained to do that. On a nominal flight they don't need to anyway; the computers select the antennas automatically. > Recent discussions here suggested that there now > exist workarounds for full auto-land (most likely of an > unoccupied orbiter unsafe to re-enter with crew). > If so, the pax would be instructed to engage that gear, > sit back and enjoy the ride (or remain on station). There is no workaround required for the actual flying of autoland, just leave the DAP in AUTO and the vehicle will fly itself. The crew still needs to perform some switch throws and button presses to deploy the air data probes, lower the gear, etc. The "workaround" you've heard about would hotwire those switches and buttons to allow them to be thrown remotely. You would *not* do that if there were a crew onboard. Just have them throw the switches at the right times. MS2 would know which switches since that MS is the ascent/entry flight engineer anyway. Having the MSes remain on station exposes them to a lot more risk and means throwing away a perfectly good orbiter. > The basenote question, however, remains. > Is any sort of contingency training done on this? No. > "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > incapacitated late in the mission, odds are probably higher that > everyone is, and not just those specific two. There is probably a thin line between "incapacitated" and "completely unavailable for communications and duty". I suppose Shuttle astronauts could always "man up", like the men and women they are, to bring the Orbiter back to the ground, even if they are seriously ill. They can always collapse later if they feel they should. What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13? > With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick - > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the > two front seats ? > What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or > Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13? That practice ended decades ago > What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or > Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No. Back up crews, in that sense, are not trained anymore. You would wait for the crew member to recover and wait for the next launch window that met all of your requirements. Take care . . . John |
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