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Space Forum / Shuttle / November 2007Challenger's "Blowtorch" -- Vanished!
Point out NASA's "O-ring burnthrough" in this FOIA frame, from just after aft-sep: <http://mission51l.com/art/explosion.jpg> If it was there before the aft band gave way, it should have showed up in this frame. JTM -- www.mission51l.com > Point out NASA's "O-ring burnthrough" in this FOIA frame, from just > after aft-sep: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JTM -- www.mission51l.com Are you suggesting that there was no o-ring burn through? Umm, think again: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Sts-33_d67_01.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Sts-33_e207_01.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Sts-33_e208_01.jpg http://media.npr.org/news/specials/shuttle_berkes/challenger_200_150.jpg Next. George >> Point out NASA's "O-ring burnthrough" in this FOIA frame, from just >> after aft-sep: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Next. George, JTM should be placed in your killfille and quietly forgotten. he's a known troll. D.  SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL >>> Point out NASA's "O-ring burnthrough" in this FOIA frame, from just >>> after aft-sep: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > D. That much is obvious. Done. George "George" <george@yourservice.com> wrote in message news:MNe%i.14 > That much is obvious. Done. > > George http://dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/GPN-2000-001422.jpg [via: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001422.html] > http://dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/GPN-2000-001422.jpg > > [via:http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001422.html] As I've pointed out before in this forum: 1) The exit frame from the NASA camera referenced has of late been misleadingly rotated 90 degrees CCW to imply immediate "veering." (For photographic support, it is now quite clear that the Berndt theory relies both exclusively and reduntantly on NASA's latest rotational bunk. Compare with: <http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1p33.htm>.) 2) This "enhanced" frame was selectively released from restricted- access film, apparently to highlight a shaded arc of the right booster's impact-loosened frustum separation ring, which is normally about the same height as the aft stiffener rings (i.e., six inches -- as opposed to the height of the left booster's black ID band, which is 18 inches). (Obviously the Berndt theory endorses the Rogers Commission's old ruse of attempting to identify the exiting boosters implicitly. Compare with: <http://mission51l.com/art/717_45.jpg>. In the above photo, notice that the required vertical distance of white paint separates the top edge of the real black ID band from the bottom edge of the left frustum's separation ring.) JTM -- <http://mission51l.com/aboutus.htm> maxson@mission51l.com> wrote in message news:098b0bf6-0f20-4957-87e7- >> http://dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/GPN-2000-001422.jpg >> >> [via:http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001422.html] > > As I've pointed out before in this forum: I see you haven't changed a bit. I'm shocked! :-) Oh, well. Have a nice Thanksgiving, John. Jon >Oh, well. Have a nice Thanksgiving, John. ...Kinda ironic. Wishing a turkey running around with his head cut off a happy Thanksgiving. OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ > max...@mission51l.com> wrote in message news:098b0bf6-0f20-4957-87e7- <snip> > >> [via:http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001422.html] In fine print at the bottom of the above-linked bunk-blurb: * Author: Michael Hahn. Editor: Dwayne A. Day Is this not the same Dwayne A. Day who helped lead the initial "smear Maxson" campaign on this forum, and who later assisted Admiral Gehman with the Columbia cover-up? Those right-wing 'think-tank' fanatics really manage to suck up the taxpayers' NASA dollars with disinformation hours, don't they? JTM >Next. ...No, there's no "next", George. Maxson is a troll, and a psychotic one at that. Just send him to Killfile Hell where he belongs and put him out of our misery until the next clueless n00b comes along and responds to his drivel. The bad news is that we can't prevent this from occurring, and can only correct the problem after it happens. The good news is that the senile old bastard will hopefully drop dead soon of old age, and that'll be the end of the bullshit conspiracy theories about Challenger once and for all. OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ >> Next. > > ...No, there's no "next", George. Maxson is a troll, and a psychotic > one at that. Just send him to Killfile Hell where he belongs and put How does one killfile in Mozilla Thunderbird? After many years of MS Outlook Express on sundry Win2K PCs I've now got a shiny HP Pavillion 9000 series laptop with Vista Home Premium. I'm giving Thunderbird a go given that I like Firefox so much. SteveM >How does one killfile in Mozilla Thunderbird? ...You don't. You switch to a real newsreader like Agent, and use the kill filters. They do quite well. OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ >> ...No, there's no "next", George. Maxson is a troll, and a psychotic >> one at that. Just send him to Killfile Hell where he belongs and put > How does one killfile in Mozilla Thunderbird? After many years of MS > Outlook Express on sundry Win2K PCs I've now got a shiny HP Pavillion > 9000 series laptop with Vista Home Premium. I'm giving Thunderbird a go > given that I like Firefox so much. Two ways: While viewing the message, select Tools-->Message Filters, or Select the message in question then select Message->Create Filter From Message Near the bottom. Either way, this gives you the dialogs needed to edit and activate your filter. - -- Steve Williams "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep, http://www.icarus.com and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." > Message was signed with unknown key 0xCD9BDE29. > The validity of the signature cannot be verified.... and verify the validity of the signature? Where is the key? Like a How to get the keys? .> > While viewing the message, select Tools-->Message Filters, or > > Select the message in question then select > > Message->Create Filter From Message Thanks :-) > .> >> While viewing the message, select Tools-->Message Filters, or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Message->Create Filter From Message > Thanks :-) Things to consider when filter, filth and trash, off-topic, conspiracy ... whatever criteria you want. Me, Challenger is on-topic, even talking about a blowtorch, it's the filth and trash I don't care to read. Na rijp beraad schreef Stephen Malbon : >>> Next. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > SteveM Just ignore him/her and it will stop... this idiot thinks in conspiracy all the time I think.... John Maxson is not a troll, I didn't see the entire thing. But, I do know he was invited to post here, please be Courteous to him. Na rijp beraad schreef Craig Fink : > John Maxson is not a troll, I didn't see the entire thing. But, I do know he > was invited to post here, please be Courteous to him. Then let him stop with this nonsense... The cause of STS-51L failure has been investigated, and he thinks they covered it up.... > Na rijp beraad schreef Craig Fink : >> John Maxson is not a troll, I didn't see the entire thing. But, I do know >> he was invited to post here, please be Courteous to him. > > Then let him stop with this nonsense... This is Usenet, John Maxson can post here, he is generally on-topic, talking about the Shuttle, ... This is Usenet, OM can post here, he is generally off-topic, talking about filth and trash, ... This is Usenet, Andre can post here, .... you choose your own posting style. This is Usenet, .... This is.... .... <a few years later>....... This is Usenet, Anyone can post here, on-topic or off-topic, you choose. > The cause of STS-51L failure has been investigated, and he thinks they > covered it up.... If your really interested in what John Maxson has to say, then read his book. He actually filed a lawsuit to try to stop the launch of 51-L, I wish he had been successful. Also read the on-line critique of his book, then, if you want to talk to John about his book, feel free, his book is about the shuttle and it is on-topic and I'm sure John would love to talk to you about it. Feel free to post here, Andre, but remember John Maxson is free to post here, OM is free to post here, ... just don't expect them to change. >Na rijp beraad schreef Craig Fink : >> John Maxson is not a troll, ...Bullshit. He's a troll, and a psychotic one to boot. But then again, considering that most people in sci.space.* have *YOU* killfiled for being a troll, it comes as no surprise that you're defending his long-revoked "right" to post his lies, slanders and complete falsehoods. >> I didn't see the entire thing. But, I do know he >> was invited to post here, please be Courteous to him. ...f.ck him. He exhaused *ANY* courtesies years ago, Fink. Anyone here questioning this simply needs to look up his rantings on Google Groups. Just do a search under his last name, and you'll see *hundreds" of reasons why he needs to be banned from Usenet for the rest of his unnatural life. Which considering his advanced age will hopefully be a very, *very* short period. ...As for his being "invited to post here", an invitation by a troll to a troll does not count. >Then let him stop with this nonsense... ...The obsessed and psychotic usually never stop. Termination of all bodily functions is the only assured cure. >The cause of STS-51L failure has been investigated, and he thinks they >covered it up.... ...The reason is simple: He was fired from Lockmart from his job as a janitor, and is simply out for revenge. OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ > Are you suggesting that there was no o-ring burn through? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Sts-33_e208_01.jpg Sts 33 was after challanger, right? How come there still is a burn-trough? I thought they did not fly until they resolved this problem. greetings, D.S. s_denes@ludens.elte.hu heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd : >> Are you suggesting that there was no o-ring burn through? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > greetings, > D.S. I think the STS number is wrong. These pictures are from STS-51L. André André wrote: > s_denes@ludens.elte.hu heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd : >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I think the STS number is wrong. These pictures are from STS-51L. They are the same mission. NASA kept using the sequential numbering system internally. Due to mission cancellations, 51L was internally known as STS-33 even though it was the 25th flight. After 51L, NASA decided to return to the sequential numbering system starting with STS-26. The internal name was STS-26R to distinguish it from the previous STS-26. This continued through STS-33R. This is all explained in Jenkins. > André wrote: >> s_denes@ludens.elte.hu heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd : [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > This is all explained in Jenkins. I don't ever recall hearing 51-L referred to as STS-33, could have been... I'd like my notes returned to me, anybody know who at NASA that I should to ask to get my notes back? I really don't think I should bother Griffin again. > <max...@mission51l.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > George Are you suggesting there was? LOL, think again: <http://mission51l.com/art/chuteb.jpg> <http://mission51l.com/art/717_45.jpg> <http://mission51l.com/art/E208_16_2.jpg> Next? JTM -- www.mission51l.com At the risk of prolonging this apparent look to the past beyond its natural life.. I had sufficient vision on those days to see all the footage on this, and it was clear to me then, that the gap the hot gasses came through behaved as it should considering the variable stresses on the joint in question. It appeared, vanished, then reappeared as the nozzles were controlled and the structure flexed. Once the burn through had occurred, the loads altered and closed the gap, or moved it to the side we were not seeing. All seemed quite natural. Hindsight is a great thing of course, and whether one could have aborted at some point if the burn through had been detected early enough, is a moot point. The fact is that it was not, and when it was it was just too late. Life is full of experiences where people come and say, 'I told you so' and the bad decision is often hidden until it results in you getting bitten badly. Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Point out NASA's "O-ring burnthrough" in this FOIA frame, from just > after aft-sep: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JTM -- www.mission51l.com |
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