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Space Forum / Shuttle / May 2004Berndt Sez: "Failure is an Option"
==================== From: Jon S. Berndt (a@b.c) Subject: Re: Something for John Maxson to Read Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle Date: 2003-06-14 17:40:04 PST >>As long as humans are running the space program there will be management >>lapses, engineering lapses, process breakdowns, mistakes, failures, and >>setbacks, as well as progress, success, and achievement. They are >>inseparable, because we are imperfect. It's been that way since the >>invention of the wheel. The sooner we accept that and renew our >>commitment to learn from our mistakes, the better. >> >>Jon Hallerb (apparently) replied: > Thats fine but evidently NASA forgot the lessons of challenger. How sad. You wouldn't have a clue. There are well-documented reports about the hardware changes that were undertaken and implemented. Process changes that happened as a result of Challenger are still in place. It's not a stretch to say that perhaps *some* lessons were being forgotten, but your blanket simplistic statement is bunk.] [Bob's remark is the kind of asinine and ignorant remark (in an endless line of ignorant and brainless remarks) that led me to filter Mr. Haller. I still see some remarks via replies, though, and this one needed addressing.] ======================= > and this one needed addressing.] > ======================= What needs addressing is your calculated and dishonest choice of a subject heading. ">>As long as humans are running the space program there will be management >>lapses, engineering lapses, process breakdowns, mistakes, failures, and >>setbacks, as well as progress, success, and achievement. They are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>Jon John Maxson "Hallerb's remark is the kind of asinine and ignorant remark (in an endless line of ignorant and brainless remarks)" Your choice of subject heading seems no better than hallerb. "Berndt says failure is an option." The fact is you just sit around trying to think up ways to be foul. "Kent Betts" <kent_betts@hotmail.com> wrote in message > Your [John Maxson's] choice of subject heading seems no better than hallerb. "Berndt > says failure is an option." The fact is you [John Maxson] just sit around trying to > think up ways to be foul. The fact is, he's run out of valid arguments for an SRB crossing. Jon How many do you need to see presented in this forum? I've presented more than enough for any reasonable person with eyesight. I'm happy to see you admit that they are valid. As you know, my published book is full of valid conclusions about the fireball crossing. Many other valid arguments (of a more technical nature) are set forth in my unpublished books. Any engineer worth his salt would answer my question about Kranz and Lee. (Hold the pepper.) -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) > The fact is, he's run out of valid arguments for an SRB crossing. > > Jon > How many do you need to see presented in this forum? > > I've presented more than enough for any reasonable person > with eyesight. I'm happy to see you admit that they are valid. Your arguments are like blocked punts. > As you know, my published book is full of valid conclusions > about the fireball crossing. Many other valid arguments (of a > more technical nature) are set forth in my unpublished books. But you refuse to post them here. That makes you a troll. And to think that someone, somewhere, is doing real work in the space program, without any recognition for their efforts whatsoever. Imagine the thousands of people busting their butts to keep things running. Contractors, techs, guys turning the screws, mopping the OPF floor, keeping records, guarding the buildings, scaring away woodpeckers at the pad, serving lunch at KSC, whatever. Where is their book? Are they not martyrs too? If I ever become this useless, I hope somebody suggests that I should go out in to the woods and shoot myself before I piss away all my dignity. What a f.cking waste of time, energy, bandwidth, calories, and oxygen. >Your arguments are like blocked punts. ...Maxson's arguements are like Lucy & Charlie Brown kicking the football. Only in this case absolutely nobody feels sorry for Charlie Brown Maxson when he sails through the air and winds up flat on his back. OM  Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > How many do you need to see presented in this forum? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about the fireball crossing. Many other valid arguments (of a > more technical nature) are set forth in my unpublished books. So I guess they are unread. And we are still unconvinced. John "Chester the Molester" Maxson babbled: > As you know, my published book is full of valid conclusions ...Your "book" is nothing more than a bound volume of used toilet paper. Nothing more. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr The Shuttle doesn't go anywhere, just 'round and 'round. Reminds me of the Chuck Berry tune. You might as well sun yourself on a California beach; you'll go 'round and 'round too, just slower. Going to the Moon isn't much better. Goes 'round and 'round the Earth, right? As for Mars -- well it goes 'round and 'round the Sun. We should sit tight on space exploration until we get our sh.t together and can build a starship. Then we can go somewhere that doesn't go 'round and 'round. Come to think about it, any star you can see just goes 'round and 'round in the Milky Way. So why bother at all? Watch a good sci-fi movie like "Earth vs the Flying Saucers." Cheap and more exciting than any space trip you'll see somebody else take on your tax nickel. |
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