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rgerhards - 21 Sep 2007 13:16 GMT

Hi there,

I hope my posting is relevant to this group. I am a space addict for
as long as I can think and I hope I'll manage to view a space shuttle
launch this October. I've already saved the dates and got flights
booked. I am so excited, I have even started a blog for my
preparations and experiences during the trip. I wonder if someones
would like to follow me on my way to finally see a launch (last year I
tried but the delay was so huge I needed to leave before it took off :
( ).

In case you are interested, please visit

http://shuttlelaunch.gerhards.net

Feedback, both here and on the blog, is always appreciated.

Many thanks and best regards,
--
Rainer Gerhards
http://www.gerhards.net

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hg - 21 Sep 2007 16:51 GMT

> Hi there,
>
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> Rainer Gerhards
> http://www.gerhards.net

I'm planning to go see a launch in December. On top of that I've never visted the States before.
I'm glad to hear that visiting a launch is an adventure, but the way you make it sound it seems as if it's _too_ much of an
adventure i.e. extremely difficult :-)

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André, PE1PQX - 21 Sep 2007 17:14 GMT

rgerhards plaatste dit op zijn scherm :

> Hi there,
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> Many thanks and best regards,

I have visited your site and I have one comment.
The first picture is a picture of the nose-gear (see the doors on both
side of the gear).
The second picture is one of the port-side (=right side) main landing
gear, just one door is visible.

I just noticed it.. Nice info anyway.....

André

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John A. Weeks III - 22 Sep 2007 00:07 GMT

> Hi there,
>
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> Feedback, both here and on the blog, is always appreciated.

One thing that concerns me is all the uncredited photos. Did
you get access to take these photos, or are they "borrowed" from
someone else. If they are borrowed, are they used with permission?
From what I read, I don't know if you are documenting something
where you did something special or got some special access, or
if you are 2nd hand reporting something where you were not even
present.

-john-

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André, PE1PQX - 22 Sep 2007 00:19 GMT

John A. Weeks III schreef op 22-9-2007 :

>> Hi there,
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> -john-

Hi John,

These pictures are taken bij NASA personnel, and were posted on the
shuttle pages.
According to the NASA copyright notices (AFAIK) anyone can use the
images as long it is not commercially.

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John A. Weeks III - 22 Sep 2007 16:11 GMT

> These pictures are taken bij NASA personnel, and were posted on the
> shuttle pages.
> According to the NASA copyright notices (AFAIK) anyone can use the
> images as long it is not commercially.

That isn't the point. The point is that you have written a
personal account of an event illustrated by photos that are
not credited, so they appear to be your photos. As it turns
out, you were not there, and those are not your photos. At
best, it is confusing, and at worst, it looks like you
fabricated this event to take credit for something that you
were not involved in.

-john-

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Dave Michelson - 23 Sep 2007 22:13 GMT

> One thing that concerns me is all the uncredited photos. Did
> you get access to take these photos, or are they "borrowed" from
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> if you are 2nd hand reporting something where you were not even
> present.

I found the combination of "stock photos" with summaries of current
events as gleaned from press releases and media reports to be very
effective. NASA's PAO could learn something from Rainer!

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John A. Weeks III - 24 Sep 2007 00:29 GMT

> > One thing that concerns me is all the uncredited photos. Did
> > you get access to take these photos, or are they "borrowed" from
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> events as gleaned from press releases and media reports to be very
> effective. NASA's PAO could learn something from Rainer!

I didn't have a problem with his content, rather it was him
taking credit for it. He writes that this is my blob of my
trip to see the shuttle, and here are the photos and text.
He then uses all NASA photos and copies from NASA pages,
presenting it as his own work. Had he said something like
"here is the story based on NASA press releases" and put
in "photo courtesy of NASA", then everything would have
been a lot more kosher. But if you are just going to copy
from somewhere else, why bother to do it at all? Just point
the reader to the original source. Don't add to the web
unless you are adding value to the web.

-john-

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Dave Michelson - 26 Sep 2007 20:09 GMT

> Had he said something like "here is the story based on NASA press
> releases" and put in "photo courtesy of NASA", then everything would
> have been a lot more kosher.

I agree. Had you said that, in those words, it would likely have
sounded better :-)

> But if you are just going to copy from somewhere else, why bother to
> do it at all? Just point the reader to the original source. Don't
> add to the web unless you are adding value to the web.

Good question. Sometimes people just like being a bit creative. And
having the current events text and photos side by side is sort of nice.

(A bit like the three volume re-issue of "A Man on the Moon". No new
text, but lots of nice photos.)

As I said earlier, it might actually give the NASA PAO a few ideas :-)

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