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President Ron Paul might let the Space Shuttle flying beyond 2010. :-)

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Craig Fink - 16 Sep 2007 00:24 GMT
Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.

Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on E-Bay
would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

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Damon Hill - 16 Sep 2007 04:27 GMT
> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle
> Program.
>
> Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on
> E-Bay would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

They were probably never installed on Enterprise, since it only
flew drop tests.

--Damon
mdicenso@seds.lpl.arizona.edu - 18 Sep 2007 23:40 GMT
> > Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle
> > Program.
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> They were probably never installed on Enterprise, since it only
> flew drop tests.

Enteprise was indeed never equipped with the IPS plumbing that later
orbiters were since it was to fly the ALT flights first, and it was
not required hardware. However the capacity to install them was
retained.

Had things gone as originally planned following the vibration testing
at Marshall Spaceflight Center in 1978-79, Enterprise would have been
returned to Palmdale Plant No. 42 in California to be retrofitted
fully, and would have seen her first flight in 1982.

The expense of dismantling Enterprise, along with upgrading the
airframe to meet the new fleet standards was deemed too expensive, and
so NASA chose instead to retrofit the STA-099 test article into OV-099
Challenger.
-Mike
Derek Lyons - 19 Sep 2007 10:04 GMT
>> > Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle
>> > Program.
>>
>> > Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on
>> > E-Bay would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

Using magic technology to connect the lines in the Orbiter to the
tanks?

>> They were probably never installed on Enterprise, since it only
>> flew drop tests.
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>not required hardware. However the capacity to install them was
>retained.

Enterprise was never fitted with many things a flight Orbiter comes
standard with - and is also fitted with many things a flight Orbiter
doesn't have.

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hallerb@aol.com - 20 Sep 2007 03:12 GMT
Its sad a flying enterprise would of been a wonderful boost for NASA,
who tossed out a great PR bonanza.

In dreamland enterprise could be refitted for cargo service only. But
no money.

Program will end after next accident
Craig Fink - 21 Sep 2007 12:54 GMT
There are a lot of things that were never installed on Enterprise. To me
that means that there would be a lot of things that don't have to be
removed for it to evolve into Orbiter version 1.2

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>> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle
>> Program.
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> They were probably never installed on Enterprise, since it only
> flew drop tests.
Brian Gaff - 16 Sep 2007 08:31 GMT
Erm, but they have to come out some place and they are rather big and
weighty and um cold...

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> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.
>
> Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on
> E-Bay
> would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.
Craig Fink - 21 Sep 2007 12:54 GMT
True, they would have to come out of the Orbiter somewhere. Weight isn't
much of an issue, volume might be. Example, the long LOX line is already
taken to Orbit. It's just thrown away with the External Tank. Moving it
into the Orbiter would allow Version 1.2 Enterprise to keep and use all the
excess LOX if the line is in the Orbiter. Connecting to the Tank as close
to the nose as possible. The LOX line has just become a large tank after ET
separation.

The next question might be, what would I do with all the extra LOX. Well the
obvious, get rid of the much more "dangerous" OMS and RCS propellent. Both
the LOX line and LH2 line can be thought of as tanks after ET separation,
they are now dual use. Replacing the OMS engines and RCS jets with
Oxygen/Hydrogen burning engines would simplify operations and increase
performance. The Ideal OMS engines would be one that burns both liquids and
gaseous propellants. Dual mode RCS jets might also be nice too. Ideally,
the engines would have highly variable mixture ratios, so that any excess
LOX or excess LH2, can be fed through the engines as propellant. LOX would
lower the ISP/increase thrust of these engine, but LH2 would increase the
ISP/decrease thrust. At MECO, the ratio of LOX and LH2 is dependant on what
happened during ascent, but the excess of LOX or LH2 is still useful mass
as propellant.  Dual mode, High thrust liquid/Low thrust gaseous, variable
mixture ratio. Or, would that be call Tri mode?

The length or volume of the LH2 line is another issue that I think would fit
nicely into an evolution of the Shuttle system into a much more
useful/cheaper vehicle that Private Enterprise would find profitable.

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> Erm, but they have to come out some place and they are rather big and
> weighty and um cold...
John Doe - 21 Sep 2007 17:59 GMT
> Example, the long LOX line is already
> taken to Orbit. It's just thrown away with the External Tank. Moving it
> into the Orbiter would allow Version 1.2 Enterprise to keep and use all the
> excess LOX if the line is in the Orbiter.

Note quite. The ET is not yet in a stable orbit. After the shuttle has
ditched the ET, it uses its OMS engines to complete acceleration to a
proper orbit (including circularising the orbit).

Moving anything from ET to shuttle would mean that extra fuel is needed
to haul that mass between the time ET is shed to final orbit (as well as
extra fuel to decelerate shuttle for de-orbit)

The smart thing would have been to put all external protuberances inside
the ET tank (even if the ET ends up having a smooth bulge in its shape.).

Or, prior to spraying on the foam, add an aerodynamic carbon fibre
fairing over the lines attached to the ET wall. And then spray foam over
the ET, including the carbon fairing. (and you could also spray foam
inside the fairing to add greater insulation as well as mechanical
support of the fairing.).

 Another possibility would have been to run the lines on the other side
of the ET and *somehow* make then cut across at the point when they need
to connect to the shuttle.
Skylon - 16 Sep 2007 20:52 GMT
> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.
>
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> Craig Fink
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You realize in order to purchase something on Ebay it must first be up
for auction on Ebay?

And last I checked, the Smithsonian didn't seem to be in any rush to
sell Enterprise.

-A.L.
Craig Fink - 21 Sep 2007 15:11 GMT
It is only being stored at the Smithsonian, they would probably want one of
the Orbiters that actually flew in space when they are retired in 2010, or
possibly 202? if Ron Paul is elected President.

Ron Paul even wants to privatize the Post Office, he truely believes, as I
do, that the market place is where efficiency and innovation takes place. A
free market as opposed to a highly regulated one. Regulated markets when
combined with lobbying yields high profits for those who buy the
regulations, in favor of inefficiency, delay or suppressed innovation,
limited competition, and of course higher cost to the consumer.

Yes, regulation is supposed to be for "safety" of the consumer, but this
isn't what is happening here in the USA. Ron Paul is correct, "safety"
issues for consumers would be better and more efficient in the private
sector. Look at what the FDA has done to our medical care, dying people
cannot take advantage of experimental medical care (if they choose to) that
might (or might not) save their lives (or die early). US manufactured drugs
cannot be re-imported to the United States, even though these "regulated"
companies are willing to sell their product at a much lower price in
Canada, for example. The FDA is responsible for much of the high cost of
medical care in the US, adding more regulation or government control isn't
the solution, it's the problem.

Hillary talks about change, but in reality, not nearly as much change as Ron
Paul is talking about. If you really what a change in our government, Ron
Paul is the logical choice. Hillary is a war monger compared to Ron Paul.
Hillary is an extreme Socialist compared to Ron Paul. Hillary is an extreme
flip/flopper compared to Ron Paul.

When elected, President Ron Paul, would want to privatize the Post Office,
FDA, ... and likely, most, if not all of NASA. He understands it took US
the better part of a century to get to the mess we are in, starting with
the Sixteenth Amendment, which he wants to repeal. He understands that a
transition doesn't happen overnight.

Transitioning NASA from a Communist economic model to a Capitalist economic
model would be good for America, good for innovation, and bring space
flight costs down. It would start a much bigger Space revolution than the
Internet revolution is. The Internet revolution occurred as fast as it did,
not because of regulation, but because it is a "free" market. That is why
Ron Paul votes against Internet regulation even if it is called "net
neutrality".

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>> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.
>>
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> And last I checked, the Smithsonian didn't seem to be in any rush to
> sell Enterprise.
Derek Lyons - 17 Sep 2007 18:55 GMT
>Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on E-Bay
>would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

And when (are where) will you get the billions to finish Enterprise
(it's virtually a mockup and always has been), and build out all the
required infrastructure?

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Joseph Nebus - 18 Sep 2007 13:57 GMT
>>Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on E-Bay
>>would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

>And when (are where) will you get the billions to finish Enterprise
>(it's virtually a mockup and always has been), and build out all the
>required infrastructure?

    Why, Private Enterprise, of course.  He just *said*.  There'll
be profits flowing like tap water and free lollipops at the price the
market will bear for all the good little libertarian spammers too.  

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Craig Fink - 11 Oct 2007 13:22 GMT
>>>Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on
>>>E-Bay would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> be profits flowing like tap water and free lollipops at the price the
> market will bear for all the good little libertarian spammers too.

I think your talking about all the other candidates who like to hand out
free stuff.

Ron Paul is all about Freedom, Liberty, the Constitution. Returning to the
Rule of Law, instead of the Rule of Man. He may want to eliminate all the
un-constitutional Federal agencies and programs. But, he also understand
it's taken fifty+ years to get to where we are. That yanking the rug out
isn't good for the country. Transitioning NASA from a Communist Economic
model to a Capitalist or "Free Market" Economy could actually be good for
manned space flight.

How would that be done? Well, Russia seems to be gaining momentum in manned
space flight. They privatized their space program, they accept paying
customers to ride on their vehicle, prices are actually going up. How do we
transition? Russia is poised to be a true powerhouse in space by the time
our Communist leaning space program get back to the Moon.

Cracks are beginning to appear in the Main Stream Media's wall of silence
about Ron Paul are beginning to appear...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I8PwoV4_Ds0
Carlson Tucker was actually allowed to give a rather good report on Ron
Paul, without all the media buzz words, dark horse, cannot win, zero
chance, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, Howard Dean, ...

Ron Paul Who? If you really want a nation that follows the Constitution,
want your own Representative or Senator to actually read the Constitution
and understand it. To make changes to it by Amending it, instead of
amending the dictionary, now is your opportunity. Vote now, skip lunch,
it'll be good for your health. Vote with your lunch money, it'll be good
for the nation. Join the Ron Paul rEVOLution, and feel good about your
choices in the next election.

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Privatize the Space Station! :-)
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lab~rat  >:-) - 11 Oct 2007 16:07 GMT
>How would that be done? Well, Russia seems to be gaining momentum in manned
>space flight. They privatized their space program, they accept paying
>customers to ride on their vehicle, prices are actually going up.

This is great, but the US would have to seriously revamp its
litigation crazy mentality before we'd start doing this.  Imagine a
disaster with a private citizen aboard.  Not only would his loved ones
sue, but also everyone standing in line to go and those that already
went.

I'm thinking Russia doesn't put up with that crap...

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lab~rat  >:-)
Stupid humans...
André, PE1PQX - 11 Oct 2007 18:42 GMT
lab~rat  >:-) gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :

>> How would that be done? Well, Russia seems to be gaining momentum in manned
>> space flight. They privatized their space program, they accept paying
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I'm thinking Russia doesn't put up with that crap...

I thinkt the russians have somthing in their commercial aggreement a
line: "In case of a disater and/or death, we cannot be held
responsible" .

André
lab~rat  >:-) - 11 Oct 2007 19:12 GMT
>lab~rat  >:-) gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>line: "In case of a disater and/or death, we cannot be held
>responsible" .

For the record, that has never stopped anyone from trying to sue in
the past.  I'm sure that the agreement for space travel has that
language, but for some reason folks over here seem to think that kind
of legalese is unenforceable.  And it's probably because people get
paid when they sue...

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André, PE1PQX - 11 Oct 2007 19:29 GMT
lab~rat  >:-) had uiteengezet :
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:42:22 +0200, AndrŽ, PE1PQX
> <pe1pqx_geenviagra@planet.nl> puked:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> of legalese is unenforceable.  And it's probably because people get
> paid when they sue...

Conclusion: it's the money....
Derek Lyons - 11 Oct 2007 22:25 GMT
>For the record, that has never stopped anyone from trying to sue in
>the past.  I'm sure that the agreement for space travel has that
>language, but for some reason folks over here seem to think that kind
>of legalese is unenforceable.  And it's probably because people get
>paid when they sue...

Actually it's because black letter law as well as case law strictly
limit the conditions under which, and the extent to which, one can
sign one's rights away.  Additionally, there is the legal principle
(in the Anglo Saxon legal systems) that one is strictly limited to the
amount one can bind ones heirs by a current contract.

It's not because 'people get paid', it is also part and parcel of the
legal principles that prevent debt bondage as well as natural collary
of the principle of "sins of the father are not those of the son".

D.
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Matt - 11 Oct 2007 20:29 GMT
Ron Paul has about as much chance of being elected President as Jerry
Brown - and Jerry's not even a legal resident of the planet Earth.

Seriously, I prefer to spend time on candidates who are not asterisks
in the polls.  Paul is running to get a platform for his message, and
good for him.

The only serious candidate who's even put out a space policy so far is
Senator Clinton, and she was careful to promise something for everyone
and not talk budget numbers.
Craig Fink - 12 Oct 2007 11:57 GMT
Not quite true, Representative Ron Paul has a space policy statement too.
It's twenty years old and Ron Paul had only served in Congress for 10
years. The relevant part of the 1988 statement being "... and the rest of
NASA should be sold to private operators." This is when he was the
Libertarian candidate for President.

So, if his views haven't changed too much in 20 years as a Republican, the
Space Shuttle could very well fly beyond 2010. And the Space Station beyond
2015, most likely with a Space Hotel attached.

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(1988)

Time after time NASA has developed capabilities at great expense then
discarded them: a space station larger than the Soviet MIR, a heavy lift
vehicle competitive with the new Soviet Energia, a nuclear engine twice as
efficient as the space shuttle main engine and a well tested Earth-Moon
transport.

The fate of the Saturn V heavy lift launch vehicle is one of the saddest
examples of this folly. Production was intentionally halted and portions of
its tooling were "lost". This bridge burning ensured support for the next
aerospace welfare program: the space shuttle. Now we have a grounded
government shuttle that can lift a third as much as the Saturn V for the
same cost per pound. That's progress, government style.

Even worse, this failed state monopoly is now wrecking businesses to avoid
well deserved embarrassment. American companies desperately need to get
their satellites into space. They have been blocked from using the
cheapest, most reliable launcher in the world which unfortunately happens
to be the Soviet Proton.

NASA has cost our nation a full twenty years in space development, twenty
years that has seen the Soviet Union surpass us to an extent that may well
be irreparable. It is inconceivable that a private firm could have
committed such follies and survived. NASA deserves no better.

Our only hope now lies in the power of free individuals risking their own
resources for their own dreams. We must recognize the government led space
program is dead and the corpse must be buried as soon as possible. Any
defense functions should be put under the military, and the rest of NASA
should be sold to private operators. The receipts would be applied to the
national debt. Then, all government roadblocks to commercial development of
space must be removed.

It is not the business of the defense department of a free society to veto
business decisions of remote sensing or launch companies. The interests of
liberty would be well served by a bevy of mediasats that will put any
future Iran-Contra affair under the full glare of live television coverage.
Maybe, besides competition, that's what our government is afraid of.

There is really only one proper role for the military in space or on Earth:
the protection of America. Otherwise, the new frontier of Space should be
opened to all. Space pioneers will generate knowledge and wealth that will
improve the lot of all people on earth. We should not let government get in
their way.

> Ron Paul has about as much chance of being elected President as Jerry
> Brown - and Jerry's not even a legal resident of the planet Earth.
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> Senator Clinton, and she was careful to promise something for everyone
> and not talk budget numbers.

I don't know what Hillary's space policy is, do you have a link. She sure
has been giving away a lot of stuff lately, stuff that doesn't belong to
her. If she were Bill Gates, yeah sure, go ahead and give every child born
in the US $5000.00. She's not Bill Gates, so she must be a modern day Robin
Hood, except she wants to work for the Government, to be Queen Hillary. I
guess that would make her equivalent to "John of England", not Robin
Hood...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England
...King John's reign has been traditionally characterised as one of the most
disastrous in English history...

She most definitely believes in the Nanny State, that the Government should
take care of you from cradle to grave. That's not what freedom and liberty
is all about.
Willie.Mookie@gmail.com - 12 Oct 2007 15:51 GMT
In the 20th century money became more important than people.  In the
21st century money will become more important than the laws that are
passed by elected officials, who owe money for their campaigns to
major corporations.  Thus big money will put itself in a position of
total authority.

The trade agreements that are signed between nations have small print
that replace the laws of nations with decisions by international
councils in the interest of trade.  This is a continuing process and
puts major corporations into a position where they don't have to
follow the laws of any country or pay money from lawsuits to
individuals even when lawsuits are brought prosecuted and won.
Transfer pricing and transferring products from one nation to another
through tax-havens, allow major corporations to avoid taxes.

This has been used mostly by US firms against supplier nations, but
the process is ongoing and will ultimately put all major global firms
in absolute control of world affairs.

On September 11, 1973 the democratically elected President of Chile
was killed by people hired by the CIA because he promised to raise the
salaries of copper miners to a level equal to half that of the US
copper miners. A right wing puppet government was installed by the
United States after the killing.  The torture and murder of so many
Chilean people that followed was shameful to the world.  But most
Americans who never saw the story accurately reported in the US on our
television networks, controlled by the corporations who instituted the
killing in the first place, are unaware of this and US culpability.

Over the past 20 years, following our military's failure in Vietnam,
which was largely blamed on the media by military planners, there has
been a concerted effort to change the nature of news reporting in
America to bring it under tighter control of the corporations beyond
that in 1973.  And this effort has succeeded in undermining any
critical analysis and often any critical knowledge of what is going on
in the world, totally making the stage managed elections an exercise
in public entertainment - with the outcome known well in advance, sort
of like wrestlemania.

The experts are in charge, and they listen primarily to the experts
within corporations.  The idea that ordinary untutored citizens could
contribute meaningfully to this process is laughable in their view.
The only protection offered the average citizen is that afforded by
'tradition' - tradition that is redefined and eroded with each passing
generation.

In this environment there is always introduced new scientific and
technical information and capabilities.

Rockets are a simpler version of jet engines.  But because rockets can
orbit the Earth, they can be used to project weapons from any point on
the Earth to any other in a matter of minutes.  So, rockets, naturally
are important strategic weapons.  So, missile proliferation is a
legitimate government issue.  Prohibting and controlling that
proliferation of rocket technology is one of the things the US
government is committed to.  Another is prohibiting and controlling
the proliferation of nuclear technology.  This means that rockets and
especially nuclear rockets are infeasible for anyone to develop.
Anyone, anywhere become targets.  Because an effective rocket of this
type destroys US nuclear and military hegemony.

Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara decided in December 1963 to end
serious nuclear rocket programs, also to end the cooperation between
the nuclear weapons labs and civilian space labs, and to end serious
development of any launchers larger than that and more capable than
that needed to get to the moon, and once the moon landing was assured,
funding for NASA was dramatically cut.

This was all done for very important national security reasons.  To
control missile proliferation, and also for political reasons.  In the
1960s there was an air of unlimited potential and possibility for the
world. Kennedy's vision of the US being first among equals, of
converting the cold war to a space race - the same way that Europe
avoided wars for centuries by competing on the oceans and in foreign
lands - we could compete against one another in the development of the
solar system.  And the US would curtail intelligence operations and
replace them with operations like the Peace Corps to build trust and
understanding, and address the issues of disparity of income around
the world.  This stood in stark contrast to the then secret commitment
by the US to maintain and exacerbate disparities of income for the
sole purpose of maintaining military and economic dominance.

So, Kennedy was killed by a lone assassin in Dallas in November 1963,
and his plans for space and a peaceful coexistence on Earth were
undone by December 1963 by LBJ and McNamara.

In today's environment, where the elected President of the US in 2000
receives a Nobel Prize for his work to help the world against
corporate excesses, while the son of a former CIA director usurps
power from the true winner and leads the country from one disaster to
another - it is not an environment where anyone who does not follow
the corporate party line will have true power in the world.
Matt - 12 Oct 2007 05:25 GMT
I like Paul - he says what he thinks, and he uses the campaign to draw
attention to his message.  Democracy in action.
But I'll spend any time and money concerning the election on a
candidate who has a ghost of a chance to win.  Paul has as much chance
of being President as Jerry Brown (who should be disqualified on the
grounds he's not a legal resident of the Earth).
The only candidate to say anything about space is Senator Clinton, who
said little of substance, but at least she said something.  Hopefully
others will follow that lead.
David Smith - 18 Sep 2007 05:48 GMT
It was 15 Sep 2007, when Craig Fink commented:

> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.
>
> Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on E-Bay
> would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

The first thing a privatized space program would do would be to decide
there's no immediate profit in it, break it up into smaller pieces, and
sell it to other folks who would shortly go out of business.

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Craig Fink - 24 Oct 2007 12:27 GMT
> It was 15 Sep 2007, when Craig Fink commented:
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> there's no immediate profit in it, break it up into smaller pieces, and
> sell it to other folks who would shortly go out of business.

Unless they had a generous customer (like NASA) to tide them over until they
could make the modification necessary to make the Shuttle operate in an
efficient (cost) and reusable manner. NASA has spent billions on the
Shuttle to get that extra pound of performance, and very little on get
reducing costs. The original concept of what the shuttle was to be, isn't a
bad one. It's implementation by NASA was.

A two stage winged reusable vehicle that is able to achieve a once or twice
a day (or week) flight rate, would be competitive. Look at the SSMEs, sure
they made some improvements, safety wise maybe, but they haven't done the
things necessary to make them totally reusable. Doing that would have added
weight to the SSMEs, to give them a reasonable flight rate between
refurbishment. Removing, refurbishing, and re-installing many things
because the objective was payload performance not re-usability or cost. The
SSMEs are so bleeding edge, they are bleeding all the way to Orbit, tearing
themselves apart.

The first thing would be to fix first stage with liquid flyback booster,
using a fully reusable engine. Something like the Russian kerosene/lox
engine.

Then a reusable Orbiter, one that incorporates an internal fuel tank and
addresses all the other problem areas. NASA has had lots of proposals in
the past for all kind of changes to move towards a truely reusable vehicle.
None implemented and all changes to squeeze extra pound of payload into the
bay. Get rid of the hydrazine, hydraulic fluid, old computer... This gets
rid of an army of maintenance. Get rid of the army at the MCC. Get rid of
the army of software maintenance. All the cost of the Shuttle really has to
do with the army of people. These operating procedures and concepts
developed by NASA are pretty much useless for any commercial company.

Looking at where NASA is headed, Apollo II, is going to have the same army
working on it. Nothing really reusable, same MCC crew, same maintenance
crew, same modifications crew. Even the capsule called reusable but
requiring an army to refurbish it. An airline could never operate like
this.

Private Enterprise would have worked on cost reduction for the past 30 years
of the Shuttle Program, not maintaining a maintenance, operations, and
modifications army of people. The difference between Private Enterprise and
a relic of the Cold War called NASA. Our very own Communist Space Program,
needs to be Privatized.

Vote for Ron Paul in 2008, and we will have Private Enterprise flying in
Space, sooner than later.

On the so called scientific Media polls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
Thank you Luntz, or is it F U Frank!

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Leopold Stotch - 19 Sep 2007 01:34 GMT
> Hopefully, President Ron Paul would privatize the Space Shuttle Program.
>
> Private Enterprise, first thing I'd do after purchasing Enterprise on E-Bay
> would be to move the LOX, LH2 lines inside the Orbiter.

Ru Paul is more likely to be President than Ron Paul.
 
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