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Space Forum / Shuttle / May 2007US paperwork vs. Russian paperwork
Anybody have any "war stories" on US paperwork vs. Russian paperwork to build a spaceship. I left NASA about a year ago and am glad I did. The conceptual design phase of Orion/Ares was winding down and all I could see for the next several years was review after review and each review generating mountains of paper -- most of it simply repeating what was said in an earlier document. Not exactly exciting work of an engineer that likes design work. When I worked with the Russian's in 1993 to buy the Soyuz, they had virtually no paperwork on the spacecraft. I few hand written design sheets were sent to the machine shop and the space craft was built. No wonder the Russians can do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Somebody in station has got to have some good stories on this subject. Danny Deger > Anybody have any "war stories" on US paperwork vs. Russian paperwork to > build a spaceship. I left NASA about a year ago and am glad I did. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > said in an earlier document. Not exactly exciting work of an engineer > that likes design work. This reminds me of the time I worked for Tektronix in Beaverton Or. Possibly more paperwork than even the above NASA. "review after review and each review generating mountains of paper -- most of it simply repeating what was said in an earlier document." And lots of stupidly set up computer databases, that made selecting appropriate components unnecessarily difficult. Design review: me: Here's the design for the blah-blah function circuit, it does blah blah. What about the XTW document, and the PYV report, the boss would ask? Well, I would have had time to do any actual engineering design if I did that BS." Turns out that paperwork was sacred to them... And that was a commercial operation that somehow managed to build product anyway. > > Anybody have any "war stories" on US paperwork vs. Russian paperwork to > > build a spaceship. I left NASA about a year ago and am glad I did. The [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > out that paperwork was sacred to them... And that was a commercial > operation that somehow managed to build product anyway. remember no nasa project can be built till the weight of the paperwork is at least 5 times the weight of the vehicle being designed:) > remember no nasa project can be built till the weight of the paperwork > is at least 5 times the weight of the vehicle being designed:) So it means that 5 forms must be filled, signed and stamped before one can build a paper airplane on a friday afternoon ? > hall...@aol.com wrote: > > remember no nasa project can be built till the weight of the paperwork > > is at least 5 times the weight of the vehicle being designed:) > > So it means that 5 forms must be filled, signed and stamped before one > can build a paper airplane on a friday afternoon ? no actually SIX one to authorize the go ahead for the other paperwork:) > no actually SIX one to authorize the go ahead for the other paperwork:) And to get that authorization, you'll have to submit plans and set up design reviews and so on, like a proposal for bid... > And to get that authorization, you'll have to submit plans and set up > design reviews and so on, like a proposal for bid... How much paperwork will then be required to build a prototype paper airplane before building the real one ? |
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