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Space Forum / Shuttle / May 2007Buh-bye Billie..
"The Navy and NASA have mutually agreed to end his detail to NASA," said Kylie Clem, a spokeswoman at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/ *Nothing, or no one is as obnoxious as a Gator with BOTH titles* *T3* > "The Navy and NASA have mutually agreed to end his detail to NASA," said > Kylie Clem, a spokeswoman at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > *Nothing, or no one is as obnoxious as a Gator with BOTH titles* > *T3* no surprise there... nasa wouldnt like every one of his future flights mentioning he was part of that affair........ > "The Navy and NASA have mutually agreed to end his detail to NASA," said > Kylie Clem, a spokeswoman at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. > > http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/ I am disapointed but not surprised. It would have been more mature for NASA to keep him for at least another year until the story was forgotten and perhaps give him an opportunity to return to the NAVY. And considering that NASA is winding down its manned space programme, it could have announce astronaut corp reductions and eary retirements for a few astronauts and include him in the deal. > > "The Navy and NASA have mutually agreed to end his detail to NASA," said > > Kylie Clem, a spokeswoman at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > could have announce astronaut corp reductions and eary retirements for a > few astronauts and include him in the deal. it appears he had a affair with nowack who was married, that shows really bad judgement, something you DONT want in a astronaut! > it appears he had a affair with nowack who was married, that shows > really bad judgement, something you DONT want in a astronaut! Yeah, and one day he forgot to take his umbrella when it was raining and he got wet. This utter lack of foresight is also something you DON'T want in an astronaut! >>> "The Navy and NASA have mutually agreed to end his detail to NASA," said >>> Kylie Clem, a spokeswoman at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it appears he had a affair with nowack who was married, that shows > really bad judgement, something you DONT want in a astronaut! Oh, please. In the Military Code of Justice, having a consensual love affair is *NOT* included under "Conduct unbecoming an officer." America has had PRESIDENTS who did exactly that, and they did just fine. In the 1884 Presidential campaign, Grover Cleveland admitted to fathering an illegitimate child. But because he also proved that he had been paying child support to the child's mom whom he had gotten pregnant, the public said "Oh well, that's OK then" and Cleveland was elected President.  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > Oh, please. > In the Military Code of Justice, having a consensual love affair is *NOT* > included under "Conduct unbecoming an officer." You might want to reread the MCJ, I'm fairly sure there somethin' in there about screwing another officer, consensual, or not. Oh and don't for a second think I care if "others" have done the same, or for that matter, if the rule is wrong, or right. The bottom line is he got caught up in it and brought ill attention and embarassment to the Navy and NASA. Such endeavors are not usually considered career moves, though in this particular case it was, as his space career is over, if not the Naval one too... > You might want to reread the MCJ, I'm fairly sure there somethin' in there > about screwing another officer, consensual, or not. If the guy was divorced, then is there really anything preventing him from dating someone ? If the lady is still married, then he decision to have an affair is her responsability. It could be argued that he should have refused to date a married women. But it can also be argued that he broke off the affair, so his judgement was OK. Now, if the military didn't want him, couldn't they have dismissed him and he then would have become a civilian within NASA ? This paperwork would have all been done privately without much noise and fanfare. The mere fact that we are discussing this mean that NASA is attracting unwanted attention to this issue. And that is exactly what NASA shoudln't be doing. > > You might want to reread the MCJ, I'm fairly sure there somethin' in there > > about screwing another officer, consensual, or not. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > unwanted attention to this issue. And that is exactly what NASA > shoudln't be doing. theres no way given what happened for nasa to avoid attention, letterman and leno love stuff like this. when he choose to have a affair with a married colleague he knew it could end his career. no doubt he would of been shocked by the events, but the outcome, end of career was known in advance. he can always retire from military and get job wiith private launch services, the newsworth effect might help them raise funds >>> You might want to reread the MCJ, I'm fairly sure there somethin' in there >>> about screwing another officer, consensual, or not. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > when he choose to have a affair with a married colleague he knew it > could end his career. If this had occurred in the private sector, I don't even think the Human Resources Department could charge a guy with sexual harassment just for having a consensual relationship with a colleague, married or not, unless one was the other's direct boss. If he and she were ever asked by NASA to fly on the same mission, or if he or she was asked for input into the other's fitness for promotion, the proper answer is to disqualify oneself on personal reasons. With so many of us techies spending more and more time at work, workplace romance is about the only romance we ever get. And occasionally you will be attracted to someone, who for some reason doesn't tell you that she's already married until after you're already involved with her. I've been in this exact situation myself, in fact. I don't see any obvious way to prevent this except taking an oath of celibacy. Lisa Nowak is the ONLY one who crossed the line by her violent confrontation. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > If this had occurred in the private sector, I don't even think the Human > Resources Department could charge a guy with sexual harassment just for > having a consensual relationship with a colleague, married or not, unless > one was the other's direct boss. Again, it did not happen in the private sector, they are both active Naval officers and *both* could face court-martials for fratenization and infidelity. It might not be a big deal to you,(or me) but, trust me on this, when it's played out on CNN it becomes a very big deal for NASA Mgmt. as well as the squids/pukes on the D-ring.. > Lisa Nowak is the ONLY one who crossed the line by her violent > confrontation. That's your opinion and an irrelavent one at that. Ms. Nowak's excursion to MCO aside, both Ofelein and her knew full well going into their relationship the consequences of discovery. Bottom line for Billy O, sorry 'bout yer luck, but 'ya gotta go... >> Oh, please. >> In the Military Code of Justice, having a consensual love affair is *NOT* [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > particular case it was, as his space career is over, if not the Naval one > too... Screwing another officer was OK. Screwing an enlisted lady was/is fraternization and a BIG no/no. Danny Deger > Screwing another officer was OK. Screwing an enlisted lady was/is > fraternization and a BIG no/no. It is moot now since NASA has taken action. However, it SHOULD be argued that while these people were still technically part of the military, they were employed by a civilian organisation and worked outside of their military context. So one has to wonder if all of the military rules should apply. For instance, rules about fraternisation for crews in a sub or ship might not really be applicable to NASA jobs based in Houston (except during flight). I think that in the end, this fellow got unfair treatment just because the media found out about his affair. I am sure there are plenty of other romances going on and those people are going unpunished. It is petty of NASA/Military to have taken this action. > It is petty of NASA/Military to have taken this action. There's probably still some of that old "Our astronauts are all good pure all American boy/girl scouts" concept in the back of NASA's managers's minds. And an unwritten rule "Don't do anything that makes for bad press for NASA on the ground." |
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