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Re: Plane Grounded After Flying Near Space Shuttle (Central Florida Ne

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George Orwell - 24 May 2007 01:00 GMT
Since no actual harm was done, the fellow should be given a minimum
punishment for a technical violation, like a 10 day suspension in his
flying privileges.   The charts are just chock full of restricted
airspaces, so it is almost impossible not to violate a few on a
cross-country.
Damon Hill - 24 May 2007 03:55 GMT
> Since no actual harm was done, the fellow should be given a minimum
> punishment for a technical violation, like a 10 day suspension in his
> flying privileges.   The charts are just chock full of restricted
> airspaces, so it is almost impossible not to violate a few on a
> cross-country.

But this is one of the better known ones, for obvious reasons
not too unlike Washington DC airspace.

--Damon
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 24 May 2007 14:43 GMT
>> Since no actual harm was done, the fellow should be given a minimum
>> punishment for a technical violation, like a 10 day suspension in his
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> But this is one of the better known ones, for obvious reasons
> not too unlike Washington DC airspace.

Note too though that years ago things were very different.

My understanding was that with proper permissions you could practice touch
and goes on the SLF.

Now that would have been cool.

> --Damon

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Gene Cash - 25 May 2007 00:14 GMT
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:

> >> Since no actual harm was done, the fellow should be given a minimum
> >> punishment for a technical violation, like a 10 day suspension in his
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> My understanding was that with proper permissions you could practice touch
> and goes on the SLF.

No. You could make a flyby as long as you stayed west of the runway
centerline. At least that's the only permission I've seen granted.

You need to establish contact and request permission long before you get
close, and it usually helps to listen and judge the traffic to see if
it's a slow day or not. If it isn't, we'd skip it.

From looking at the NOTAMs, you need prior written permission to touch
down unless it's an emergency. And if it's not a dire emergency, NASA,
the FAA, and the DOD will MAKE it one. :-)

I'll throw some pics up on my website:

http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/camera/P7040047.jpg
http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/camera/P7040048.jpg
http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/camera/P7040049.jpg
http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/camera/P7040050.jpg

Note that the VAB is a big sugarcube on the horizon from a LONG LONG way
away. That thing is ENORMOUS.

(Also note that I'm a crap photographer.)

One time there was a cargo plane unloading a cylindrical silver object.
We landed and I saw a Florida Today headline saying that "the ISS node
Unity/PMA-1 arrived today" and showing a picture of the cylindrical
silver object being unloaded from a cargo plane. The photographer must
have been on the ramp as we flew over.

That was a really funny feeling.

-gc

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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 25 May 2007 01:22 GMT
> "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> writes:
>
> No. You could make a flyby as long as you stayed west of the runway
> centerline. At least that's the only permission I've seen granted.

Ah my mistake.

> You need to establish contact and request permission long before you get
> close, and it usually helps to listen and judge the traffic to see if
> it's a slow day or not. If it isn't, we'd skip it.

Makes sense.

> From looking at the NOTAMs, you need prior written permission to touch
> down unless it's an emergency. And if it's not a dire emergency, NASA,
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> silver object being unloaded from a cargo plane. The photographer must
> have been on the ramp as we flew over.

Cool.

> That was a really funny feeling.
>
> -gc

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