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Space Forum / Shuttle / April 2007NASA shooting?
Here is a quote from cnn.com. "Space Center Director Michael Coats identified the gunman as Bill Phillips, a contract employee, and the dead victim as David Beverly, a NASA employee. The other shooting victim has not been identified. Police have not determined a motive for the killing, but Hurtt said that there apparently had been "some kind of dispute" between Beverly and Phillips. " Does anyone know if David Beverly was a workplace bully? I won't mention names, but anyone at JCS should able to confirm bullies are common and tolerated by management at JSC. They drove me to the point I had to take an early retirement. It is a shame this happened, but based on the way I was treated, I am not surprised. Danny Deger <more slop about how he was mistreated as NASA> *yawn* D.  SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL I'd think more to the point is how does a person get a gun into the site in the first place. Also, it seems that Nasa is not having a good year for people suffering mental problems. Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > <more slop about how he was mistreated as NASA> > > *yawn* > > D. >I'd think more to the point is how does a person get a gun into the site in >the first place. I was mostly objecting to Danny once more trying to grab the center of attention. Tha being said, as near as I can tell (from the media) JSC doesn't search cars entering or leaving, so getting a gun onsite is fairly trivial if you acess to the center. >Also, it seems that Nasa is not having a good year for people suffering >mental problems. One need not be 'mental' to be angry enough to take a gun to someone. D. SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL That is your opinion, I live in the UK, and to my mind wanting to shoot someone immediately admits you into the kook flashing red and dangerous category! Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>I'd think more to the point is how does a person get a gun into the site >>in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > D. Derek Lyons a écrit : >>I'd think more to the point is how does a person get a gun into the site in >>the first place. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > D. This is precisely the problem in the U.S. It is considered normal to take a gun and shoot somebody. Violence is not considered an animal and inhuman way of expressing your feelings but a normal part of adult life. Violent crimes are glorified in TV and in games, where always the most violent wins. > One need not be 'mental' to be angry enough to take a gun to someone. No. It is completely normal dude. Completely normal. Got a bad job review? Just let your feelings run uncontrolled and kill the reviewer. Then kill yourself to avoid punishment like all cowards. > This is precisely the problem in the U.S. > > It is considered normal to take a gun and shoot somebody. I beg to differ. While there may be a tiny group of the population that feels this way, it is in NO way considered normal. Not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. > Violence is not considered an animal and inhuman way of expressing > your feelings but a normal part of adult life. Violent crimes are > glorified in TV and in games, where always the most violent > wins. > > > One need not be 'mental' to be angry enough to take a gun to someone. For a civilian to do so, except in the circumstances associated with self defense against an individual who poses an IMMEDIATE danger to your physical life, is indeed considered by most Americans to be wrong and criminal. If, for example, there is someone in your home, who poses a immediate threat to you or your family, self defense is valid. But because they "hurt your feelings" in the workplace, sorry same reply: Not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow > No. It is completely normal dude. Completely normal. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Then kill yourself to avoid punishment like all coward. It is not normal, and anyone who believes so, is also far from normal. To suggest that most Americans accept this behaviour must be experiencing selective hearing and not understanding the revulsion we react with to such things. John >>This is precisely the problem in the U.S. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that feels this way, it is in NO way considered normal. Not > yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. I hope so, but this new fad of mass killings may have deep roots in many deep rooted american values, like the availability of guns, the easy way of getting violent, the lack of anti-violence education, etc. >>Violence is not considered an animal and inhuman way of expressing >>your feelings but a normal part of adult life. Violent crimes are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > your physical life, is indeed considered by most Americans to be wrong > and criminal. Indeed by most people in the civilized world. But after all this mass killings maybe *some* critic of the american model would be necessary? Because with mass media and the americanization of our TV shows and movies we risk getting infected too. For instance the public display of the video of the mass murder in Virginia Tech. Doesn't this encourage future mass murders seeking publicity to do similar things? > If, for example, there is someone in your home, who poses a immediate > threat to you or your family, self defense is valid. But because they > "hurt your feelings" in the workplace, sorry same reply: Not > yesterday, not today, not tomorrow I hope that this is indeed what most americans think (and feel). But why this killings? This is not only an american problem. In other countries this happens too, but not with the same intensity that in the U.S. >>No. It is completely normal dude. Completely normal. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It is not normal, and anyone who believes so, is also far from > normal. This is correct. I was outraged by the sentence: "One need not be 'mental' to be angry enough to take a gun to someone." jacob > I hope so, but this new fad of mass killings may have > deep roots in many deep rooted american values, like > the availability of guns, the easy way of getting > violent, the lack of anti-violence education, etc. Thanks to kill files, I don't need to listen to this insulting nonsense. *plonk* - -- Steve Williams "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep, http://www.icarus.com and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." >This is precisely the problem in the U.S. > >It is considered normal to take a gun and shoot somebody. Only in either a fantasy universe unconnected to our real one - or in the hallucinations induced by a cheap grade of recreational pharmaceutical. D. SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL > Does anyone know if David Beverly was a workplace bully? I won't > mention names, but anyone at JCS should able to confirm bullies are > common and tolerated by management at JSC. They drove me to the point > I had to take an early retirement. It is a shame this happened, but > based on the way I was treated, I am not surprised. Danny, that was a really ill-considered thing to post. I've been sympathetic to you in the past, but this is over the line. Sometimes a nut is just a nut, and siding with someone like that--and that's what you're doing--is a symptom that you're not working on your own issues effectively. You need to be talking these reactions over with a therapist, not posting them to the net. >> Does anyone know if David Beverly was a workplace bully? I won't >> mention names, but anyone at JCS should able to confirm bullies are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > effectively. You need to be talking these reactions over with a > therapist, not posting them to the net. Danny has his own set of wounds from his own totally different set of circumstance. They still appear to be festering, and not totally healed. Hopefully, as they say, time heals all wounds. Danny's reaction and what everyone considers an inappropriate post comes from his own experiences. People really do tend to talk about themselves, even when talking about others. Talking about it, is better than letting it fester, with a therapist, or friends, or even an inappropriate post at an inappropriate time is probably better ... Whatever the argument between David Beverly and Bill Phillips was, it was between them, and ended between them. In a very bad way. Really knowing nothing about what the argument was, I would think that Bill perceived he was wronged in some way by David. Real or imaginary. Bill's reaction to this is inexcusable and wrong. Reminds me of another saying, two wrongs don't make it right. There is just a lot of pain all around ... Condolences to everyone who knew either of them, SignatureCraig Fink Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @ WeBeGood@GMail.Com snip > Whatever the argument between David Beverly and Bill Phillips was, it was > between them, and ended between them. In a very bad way. Really knowing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Condolences to everyone who knew either of them, I agree. Two wrongs do not make a right. I also send my condolences to all. Danny Deger > Craig Fink > Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @ WeBeGood@GMail.Com |
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