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slate91 - 27 Feb 2007 07:17 GMT
As I'm sure many of you know, October 4, 2007 will mark the 50th
anniversary of the launch of Sputnik, the first man-made object ever
to leave the atmosphere and successfully orbit the earth. Throughout
the world, events are being planned to celebrate the "Sputnik Year,"
which begins on the anniversary and runs through December 31, 2008.

I'm part of the production team on Sputnik: The Movie, which is set to
come out this year as part of the celebration of Sputnik's 50th
anniversary. The movie, which tells the satellite's story from
America's point of view, resonates with me today even though I'm far
too young to have lived through the age of Sputnik.

The film is based on Paul Dickson's bestselling book Sputnik: The
Shock of the Century, which I love. Longtime PBS journalist Mark
Shields narrates the film with his unique grandfatherly, yet
opinionated, style of storytelling.

Anyway, I wanted to make you all aware of this movie and the
importance it'll have this year. For more information, you can go to
www.sputnikmovie.com, or feel free to contact me with any questions
you have.

A question for all of you: if you were alive when Sputnik was
launched, what do you remember about that day? And if not, what in
your lifetime compares to the magic of mankind's first venture into
outer space?
Danny Deger - 27 Feb 2007 16:37 GMT
>the first man-made object ever
> to leave the atmosphere and successfully orbit the earth.

As opposed to the ones that didn't leave the atmosphere and successfully
orbited the Earth :-)

Danny Deger
Barbara N - 27 Feb 2007 17:05 GMT
>As I'm sure many of you know, October 4, 2007 will mark the 50th
>anniversary of the launch of Sputnik, the first man-made object ever
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>your lifetime compares to the magic of mankind's first venture into
>outer space?

Well, not so much about that day, except that we heard that it was launched and
went outside to see if we could see it orbit overhead. My recollection is that
we did [I was in high school] and that it looked like a speck of light. I lived
in Connecticut at the time so I guess someone can figure out if I actually did
see it.

I can remember [at that age] a little sense of "the Russians beat us" but only a
few years before we were being asked in school if we thought it was at all
possible for a rocket to leave the earth's atmosphere. I'd hate to read now the
things we all wrote.

The most exciting thing that even out-did that, I think ... at least at that
time, was the discovery [development] of a successful polio vaccine. We were
rejoicing with the neighborhood over that one. If you've not grown up with a
fear that any fever might be polio, it's hard to understand what a great joy and
relief that was.

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Derek Lyons - 27 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT
>Well, not so much about that day, except that we heard that it was launched and
>went outside to see if we could see it orbit overhead. My recollection is that
>we did [I was in high school] and that it looked like a speck of light.

If you saw anything - it was the discarded 3rd (IIRC) stage of the
booster.  Sputnik I itself was too small to be visible to the naked
eye.

D.
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Philip - 27 Feb 2007 21:07 GMT
>> Well, not so much about that day, except that we heard that it was launched and
>> went outside to see if we could see it orbit overhead. My recollection is that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> booster.  Sputnik I itself was too small to be visible to the naked
> eye.

So the scene in the movie, October Sky, where Homer Hickam and a good
portion of the town observe a Sputnik transit is pure fiction?

I never read Hickam's book, so I do not know if this scene was from the
book or added later for the movie.
Derek Lyons - 27 Feb 2007 22:28 GMT
>>> Well, not so much about that day, except that we heard that it was launched and
>>> went outside to see if we could see it orbit overhead. My recollection is that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>So the scene in the movie, October Sky, where Homer Hickam and a good
>portion of the town observe a Sputnik transit is pure fiction?

Yes and no.  A lot of people across America saw what they *thought*
was Sputnik - the fact that they saw a different object in orbit in
essentially irrelevant.  Whether it was Sputnik itself, or the 3rd
stage - it was still something that had never been before, a man made
body in LEO.

>I never read Hickam's book, so I do not know if this scene was from the
>book or added later for the movie.

I do not recall if it was in the book - it's been a long time since I
read it.
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Jim Oberg - 28 Feb 2007 01:52 GMT
Don't forget that it was not possible to make sightings predictions with any
accuracy,
since even the nodal regression rate was unknown until actually observed and
measured.

By November, though, predictions for Sputnik-2 were close enough to make it
worth
going out and looking -- plus it had the advantage of flashing slowly as the
booster
tumbled, so you couldn't easily confuse it with an airplane. I saw it at
least once.
Danny Deger - 28 Feb 2007 04:31 GMT
> Don't forget that it was not possible to make sightings predictions with
> any accuracy,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> tumbled, so you couldn't easily confuse it with an airplane. I saw it at
> least once.

You don't look old enough.  You must have been a little feller when you did
this.

Danny Deger
Flyguy - 28 Feb 2007 08:49 GMT
> Don't forget that it was not possible to make sightings predictions with any
> accuracy,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> tumbled, so you couldn't easily confuse it with an airplane. I saw it at
> least once.

Here's an account of how the doppler shift of the Sputnik-I radio beacon
was used to calculate the orbit, followed by an audio (wav) recording.

http://sd-www.jhuapl.edu/Transit/sputnik.html

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/features/sounds/sputnk1b.wav
slate91 - 28 Feb 2007 18:38 GMT
Interesting. I didn't know about how you couldn't really see Sputnik.

Here's another question for everyone. According to the film
(www.sputnikmovie.com), the launch of Sputnik was one of the most
important events in U.S. history, on par with Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
Do you agree? Why or why not?
Andre Lieven - 28 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT
> Interesting. I didn't know about how you couldn't really see Sputnik.
>
> Here's another question for everyone. According to the film
> (www.sputnikmovie.com), the launch of Sputnik was one of the most
> important events in U.S. history, on par with Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
> Do you agree? Why or why not?

This is more of a question for sci.space.history.

As this is sci.space.shuttle and there is nothing Shuttle related
in it.

Andre
hhickam@hiwaay.net - 17 Mar 2007 14:43 GMT
> >> Well, not so much about that day, except that we heard that it was launched and
> >> went outside to see if we could see it orbit overhead. My recollection is that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I never read Hickam's book, so I do not know if this scene was from the
> book or added later for the movie.

You've never read Rocket Boys/October Sky?  Better late than never.
Much different from the film, by the way.

In any case, as I wrote in the memoir, Sputnik's transit over Coalwood
was predicted in an article published in The Welch Daily News,
McDowell County's paper of record.  Sure enough, at the appointed
time, a very bright star appeared.   I wrote, "Then I saw the bright
little ball, moving majestically across the narrow star field between
the ridgelines.  I stared at it with no less rapt attention than if it
had been God Himself in a golden chariot riding overhead.  It soared
with what seemed to me inexorable and dangerous purpose, as if there
were no power in the universe that could stop it...  I felt that if I
stretched out enough, I could touch it.  "Pretty thing," Mom said,
summing up the general reaction of the backyard crowd."  Of course,
her enthusiasm had been somewhat dimmed after my father had predicted
President Eisenhower would never allow anything Russian to fly over
Coalwood.

Was it Sputnik we saw?  Or a stage of its rocket?  I do not know, but
I know we saw something grand that night.  One must remember that in a
place like Coalwood in 1957, there was virtually no light pollution.
Even before Sputnik, I would sometimes go outside in my backyard and
see with my naked eye more stars than I have ever seen since, with the
possible exception of deepest Montana when I go dinosaur hunting.
There was also an aching in our hearts that night to see that
magnificent little robotic adventurer cross in a place none of us
really believed anything would ever actually go.

Years later, when I was negotiating with the Russians on the Space
Station (and trying to undo the damage Al Gore had done with his over-
promises to them - a quick political aside), a Russian friend asked me
if I wanted to see Sputnik I, that he knew where it was kept.  I
laughed, thinking he was joking.  "No joke," he said.  "You see, we
built two.  Randomly, we launched one of them and kept the other.  So,
in a way, the one we have was as much Sputnik I as the one that
flew."  He took me to a huge warehouse, and opened a crate and there
it was.  I was allowed to touch it which I did with utmost reverence.
Then, it was boxed up and put away.  I felt a bit like Indiana Jones.
At that moment, I also remembered that night in Coalwood and that's
why perhaps that paragraph was written so vividly and confidently in
RB/OS a few years later.

By the way, the annual October Sky Festival in Coalwood will be on
Oct. 6, which is not quite but nearly the 50th Anniversary of Sputnik.
Go to www.homerhickam.com and click on Rocket Boys/October Sky for
details.

I was interviewed for the Sputnik movie, by the way.  Although Sputnik
was Russian, I believe that it transcends them, and every nation.
However, I also believe that Sputnik became more of an American story
than a Russian one.  Because a year later,in the autumn of 1958, the
United States launched her answer to Sputnik:  Us, the students of
America, and we were bound for glory.  As Mr. Turner, the principal of
Big Creek High School, said when addressing the student body about our
new, much more difficult curriculum, "The Russians?  I pity them.  If
they knew you like I know you, they'd be shaking in their boots!"  Of
course, he later had more than a few qualms about the "bomb builders"
of the Big Creek Missile Agency.  Thank God for Miss Riley.

Best wishes and happy reading,

Homer Hickam
Scott Hedrick - 17 Mar 2007 23:25 GMT
> Even before Sputnik, I would sometimes go outside in my backyard and
> see with my naked eye more stars than I have ever seen since, with the
> possible exception of deepest Montana when I go dinosaur hunting.

So, what's the season for hunting dinosaurs? Does it vary according to
firearm? What sort of license do you need?

Where would you hang the head? I think the triceratops would look better on
the wall than the T-Rex.

> I was allowed to touch it which I did with utmost reverence.

Did you remember to wipe off your fingerprints?

> Then, it was boxed up and put away.  I felt a bit like Indiana Jones.

And amazingly, Sputnik wasn't lost in the warehouse along with the Ark of
the Covenant.

> However, I also believe that Sputnik became more of an American story
> than a Russian one.

Like the Japanese before them, they awoke a sleeping giant. A decade later,
we went back to sleep. We rolled over a bit on 9/11, but bundled the blanket
and went back to sleep.
Pat Flannery - 19 Mar 2007 04:39 GMT
> So, what's the season for hunting dinosaurs? Does it vary according to
> firearm? What sort of license do you need?
>
> Where would you hang the head? I think the triceratops would look better on
> the wall than the T-Rex.
>  

Don't shoot the triceratops, you'll just make it mad.

> And amazingly, Sputnik wasn't lost in the warehouse along with the Ark of
> the Covenant.
>
>  

You know, that Vanguard it up there still, and the Air Force has that
new satellite capable of moving other satellites around that they are
testing. If we could get it to grab the Vanguard and bring it to the ISS
our a CEV...

Pat
robert casey - 20 Mar 2007 04:27 GMT
> Was it Sputnik we saw?  Or a stage of its rocket?  I do not know, but
> I know we saw something grand that night.  One must remember that in a
> place like Coalwood in 1957, there was virtually no light pollution.

I remember seeing something traveling either north to south or south to
north on a night that it was in the News.  It might have been just an
aircraft, though it was a steady brightness.  Aircraft usually have
flashing lights, though I don't know if they did that back in the 50's.
  No color to the object.  In any event, it would have to have been the
orbital insertion stage if it was in orbit.
Pat Flannery - 20 Mar 2007 07:56 GMT
>   No color to the object.  In any event, it would have to have been
> the orbital insertion stage if it was in orbit.

And at around 70 feet long, that would indeed show up.

Pat
Dr J R Stockton - 20 Mar 2007 20:15 GMT
In sci.space.history message <DwILh.14432$tD2.4602@newsread1.news.pas.ea
rthlink.net>, Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:27:31, robert casey
<wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> posted:

>> Was it Sputnik we saw?  Or a stage of its rocket?  I do not know, but
>> I know we saw something grand that night.  One must remember that in a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>No color to the object.  In any event, it would have to have been the
>orbital insertion stage if it was in orbit.

If what you saw was really travelling either north to south or south to
north, then it was neither Sputnik nor its launcher.  I know neither
Sputnik's exact orbital inclination nor your then latitude; but its
orbit should not be much different in inclination from that of ISS, and
you probably know what directions of travel ISS shows from your present
location.

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Ian - 01 Mar 2007 03:04 GMT
> [snip]

>  The movie, which tells the satellite's story from America's point of view
> .... [snip]

I suppose you don't really have an option, but this is a disappointing point
of view to have to take. A more interesting slant would be to tell the story
from the point of view of the people who actually achieved the milestone,
rather than those who would have liked to (and could have) and then
subsequently entered a bit of a flap.

No offence meant, but Sputnik is a Russian story, not really a US one.  It's
a little bit like telling the story of the conquest of Mt Everest by
concentrating on what Hans Rudolf von Gunten was doing that day.

-- Ian
George Orwell - 19 Mar 2007 22:48 GMT
As an added note, only rarely does T.V. (even History & Discovery Channels)
get the pronunciation correct.  I believe you say Sputnik with a long "u"
(Spootnik).

They also get King Tut wrong.  That also has a long u, and sounds like King
Toot.
 
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