Not a real shocker. The schedule as it was seemed to be agressive. If your
going to do it, you might as well do it right.
SB
> Here is NASA's tentative 2007 shuttle launch schedule. I believe this
> will be a great year for the shuttle and space station programs U.S and
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> tom
>Not a real shocker. The schedule as it was seemed to be agressive. If your
>going to do it, you might as well do it right.
But it looks like the STS-122 delay was caused by Space Station
conflicts, not Shuttle processing. The 2008-2009 delays were a result
of adding the Hubble mission and deciding to fly Atlantis one addition
mission.
Brian
Space Balls - 14 Jan 2007 05:52 GMT
Interesting. Thanks Brian.
>>Not a real shocker. The schedule as it was seemed to be agressive. If
>>your
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> Brian
Lets hope that the next administration does the right thing for manned
spaceflight. I would suggest killing Orion and Ares, ordering two
additional shuttle orbiters to replace those lost, and beginning work on a
realistic shuttle replacement or replacements. A 1959 vintage model T
Apollo II spam in a can capsule is not the way to go.
> Not a real shocker. The schedule as it was seemed to be agressive. If
> your going to do it, you might as well do it right.
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>> tom
hallerb@aol.com - 18 Jan 2007 03:51 GMT
> Lets hope that the next administration does the right thing for manned
> spaceflight. I would suggest killing Orion and Ares, ordering two
> additional shuttle orbiters to replace those lost, and beginning work on a
> realistic shuttle replacement or replacements. A 1959 vintage model T
> Apollo II spam in a can capsule is not the way to go.
shuttle costs too much to operate.
shut down shuttle give ISS to russia
take all the money and invest it 2 ways
robotic expoloration all over solar system
use other 1/2 of money for manned launchers by private industry
Another approach is permanent unmanning of shuttle, so it can continue
to fly. with a replacement manned launcher
whatever occurs ideally the pads 39 a and b would be permanetely
stacked one with a apollo mock up the oher with enterprise under a big
glass bubble.
tourists would flock to see it, get the visitors to the pads
John Doe - 18 Jan 2007 09:46 GMT
> Lets hope that the next administration does the right thing for manned
> spaceflight. I would suggest killing Orion and Ares, ordering two
> additional shuttle orbiters to replace those lost, and beginning work on a
> realistic shuttle replacement or replacements.
those 2 replacement shuttles should already incorporate almost all the
improvements NASA has done and would like to be done. And shuttles should
be considered semi-disposable with a new one coming out every couple of
years with improvements. One day, enough improvements will have been made
to truly make the shuttle reusable at which point they can be built to last
a lot longer.
And yes, NASA will have to learn to live with different generations of
Shuttles , just like airlines have lived with different generations of
737s, 747s etc.
But guess what ? It ain't gonna happen. Those who are against the shuttle
have a louder voice and there is nobody left to defend the shuttle.
The USA will have a token manned presence in space without more
capabilities than russians (and eventually chinese).
hallerb@aol.com - 18 Jan 2007 14:04 GMT
> But guess what ? It ain't gonna happen. Those who are against the shuttle
> have a louder voice and there is nobody left to defend the shuttle.
>
> The USA will have a token manned presence in space without more
> capabilities than russians (and eventually chinese).
is there ANY way a shuttle like vehicle could have a low cost to orbit
and be as safe as a expendable?
John Doe - 19 Jan 2007 00:55 GMT
> is there ANY way a shuttle like vehicle could have a low cost to orbit
> and be as safe as a expendable?
Is there any way that a Caterpillar crane will have the same fuel
efficiency as a Smart car ?
A shuttle will always cost more than a Soyuz. But it does a hell of a lot
more and has far more capabilities.
Going back to Apollo simply duplicates Soyuz' capabillities. And it is
unlikely to cost less than Soyuz.
From a humankind point of view, it is better to have one Soyuz and one
Shuttle than to have two Soyuz and no Shuttle. Shuttle brings unique
capabillities to work and build complex things in space.
Just because Shuttle "beta" ended up costing a lot more than promised
doesn't mean that Shuttle successors would also be as flawed.
Lets say a real challenge were given to NASA : send a man to Mars and bring
him back safely by 2020. You would need some form of shuttle vehicle to
assemble the expedition ship in LEO and load it up with the supplies needed
for that journey.
Start building new/improved shuttles now, and you would have the tools
ready to start assembling the ship. Ditch the shuttle now and repace it
with some simple CEV, and you won't have any tools to build anything
significant in space. In fact, the russians, French and Japanese (if they
ever complete HST) will have more space capabilities than the americans
because of their primitive cargo delivery capabilities compared to the shuttle.