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Space Forum / Shuttle / July 2006Slightly OT Moon landings.
I'm sure on this conspiracy theory laden group, you are familiar with the 'men never walked on the moon' crowd. Surely, with the lowering of the orbit of Smart over the next few weeks, before it hits something, it might have enough resolution to clear up the matter once and for all, though I'm sure the conspiracy fans would claim those pictures were doctored as well. :-) Brian  SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ lol, why bother? Unless you have another reason, a few more pictures of man-made stuff sitting on the moon isn't going to ... Now taking them there and letting them walk around and look at the stuff on vacation that might help. Then again maybe not, they would probably just think ... SignatureCraig Fink Courtesy E-Mail Welcome @ WeBeGood@GMail.Com -- > I'm sure on this conspiracy theory laden group, you are familiar with > the 'men never walked on the moon' crowd. Surely, with the lowering of > the orbit of Smart over the next few weeks, before it hits something, it > might have enough resolution to clear up the matter once and for all, > though I'm sure the conspiracy fans would claim those pictures were > doctored as well. > I'm sure on this conspiracy theory laden group, you are familiar with the > 'men never walked on the moon' crowd. Surely, with the lowering of the orbit > of Smart over the next few weeks, before it hits something, it might have > enough resolution to clear up the matter once and for all, though I'm sure > the conspiracy fans would claim those pictures were doctored as well. That little matter is specifically on LRO's plate. The orbiter is tasked, among other more important duties, to photograph a number of the old landing sites with enough resolution to hopefully (but doubtfully) shut 'em up for good. We'll just have to wait a few more years. LRO, a NASA spacecraft, is obviously being operated by those in on the "conspiracy", so that won't help with the die-hards. For them, all evidence that refutes their claims is part of the "conspiracy". KMM > > I'm sure on this conspiracy theory laden group, you are familiar with the > > 'men never walked on the moon' crowd. Surely, with the lowering of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sites with enough resolution to hopefully (but doubtfully) shut 'em up for > good. We'll just have to wait a few more years. kmmpost...@yahoo.com wrote: > LRO, a NASA spacecraft, is obviously being operated by those in on the > "conspiracy", so that won't help with the die-hards. Exactly. NASA is telling the truth any time it agrees with them and lying any time they disagree. > For them, all evidence that refutes their claims is part of the > "conspiracy". Bingo. Anyone dumb enough to believe that we never landed on the Moon is not going to be convinced by mere evidence. Mark > > LRO, a NASA spacecraft, is obviously being operated by those in on the > > "conspiracy", so that won't help with the die-hards. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mark Of course, you're both right. But for those of us true believers (i.e. sane), the photos should be fantastic: The rovers will show as a 6x4 pixel image and the LM descent stage should be about 15x15 large in an image that is about 6 football fields wide in each direction. Even the individual ALSEP experiments should be a pixel or two large and the ground that was plowed up by footprints should show up differently from the pristine portions with the right lighting. The rover wheel tracks should be picked up easily so we should be able to follow the paths of each EVA. But for me, the one thing that has me thrilled will be the fact that we will finally know the _exact_ path that Shepard and Mitchell took on their trek up the flank of the hill to Cone Crater during Apollo 14's EVA 2! The MET's tracks should be visible and they were soooo close... i OFTEN WONDER HOW THE DOUBTERS EXPLAIN. the ROCKS THAT ARE HERE the CORNER CUBES USED TO BOUNCE LASERS the INDEPENDENT RECEPTION OF SOME OF THE SIGNALS FROM INSTRUMENTS LEFT THERE. :-) Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> > LRO, a NASA spacecraft, is obviously being operated by those in on the >> > "conspiracy", so that won't help with the die-hards. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > MET's > tracks should be visible and they were soooo close... Op Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:27:11 +0000, schreef Brian Gaff: > i OFTEN WONDER HOW THE DOUBTERS EXPLAIN. > > the ROCKS THAT ARE HERE > the CORNER CUBES USED TO BOUNCE LASERS > the INDEPENDENT RECEPTION OF SOME OF THE SIGNALS FROM INSTRUMENTS LEFT > THERE. Are they still signalling? > > i OFTEN WONDER HOW THE DOUBTERS EXPLAIN. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are they still signalling? No. The last instruments were turned off in the mid-80's, I believe. Of course, the laser reflectors still work. > i OFTEN WONDER HOW THE DOUBTERS EXPLAIN. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them > Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk "The rocks are fake!" crowd really amuse the heck out of me. Because I've seen some loopy attempts to expplain that as chemically altered rocks. Frankly if we could do that and not get to the moon still...something would be f.cked up in progress... -A.L. > the ROCKS THAT ARE HERE Apparently von Braun went to Antarctica to find them. Even though he's not a geologist and his visit was inevitably high profile... but then NASA's too dumb to think of sending an unknown geologist to look for moon rocks there instead. It's amazing, really: most of the moon-hoaxer claims are so absurd that anyone with a tiny bit of common sense should be able to see through them in seconds, yet they still find believers. Though I guess given how dumb the average person is, a few percent of people must be barely distinguishable from vegetables. Mark > It's amazing, really: most of the moon-hoaxer claims are so absurd that > anyone with a tiny bit of common sense should be able to see through > them in seconds, yet they still find believers. Though I guess given > how dumb the average person is, a few percent of people must be barely > distinguishable from vegetables. These are the same sort of kooks that think that GPS *receivers* let the government know where they are at all times. I met a guy who complained about this daughter's telescope (electronic pointing system with integrated GPS receiver) for just this reason. Jeff Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919) > Apparently von Braun went to Antarctica to find them. Even though he's > not a geologist and his visit was inevitably high profile... but then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > anyone with a tiny bit of common sense should be able to see through > them in seconds, yet they still find believers. It's like religion in some ways. To the non-thinking/ignorant type, the arguments seem highly convincing. If however after being presented with the refutation they still persist, then yes, this comes into effect: [...] > given > how dumb the average person is, a few percent of people must be barely > distinguishable from vegetables. Of course moon hoax belief doesn't usually include (AFAIK) delusional acceptance of after-life and protection fantasies, so religion-crazies will cling to their beliefs somewhat more strongly, I fear. > It's amazing, really: most of the moon-hoaxer claims are so absurd that > anyone with a tiny bit of common sense should be able to see through > them in seconds, yet they still find believers. There's a kind of animal cleverness to the way that they find and present their "evidence". They know that the average person's grasp of physics and astronomy is weak at best, and that they rely on common sense (based on their experiences on Earth and not on the Moon) to tell them how objects behave. They also know that few people even know *how* to look up information for themselves and determine whether or not the arguments hold water. There's also kind of a thrill to thinking that you have figured out something that most people haven't -- that you're somehow a "cut above" in your ability to cut through the confusion out there. This thrill does not seem to abate if you have merely picked up these ideas from some other teacher (witness the young-Earth creationism crowd). It's actually a blow to one's ego to learn that you *aren't* special (even though it's really okay because no one else is, either). Many people would prefer to cling to a belief that makes them feel special than even try to see if that belief is in line with available fact. Grr, dam the sticky caps lock key! Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> > LRO, a NASA spacecraft, is obviously being operated by those in on the >> > "conspiracy", so that won't help with the die-hards. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > MET's > tracks should be visible and they were soooo close... |
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