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Astronauts in the ascent

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Michel - 21 Jul 2006 14:24 GMT
Hi,

Do the astronauts push any button, flip any switch during shuttle ascent?
I have looked some launch video from inside cockpit and don't know if the
push something or only point at it.

If do so, which ones?

thanks
(excuse my english)
neil.fraser@gmail.com - 21 Jul 2006 15:02 GMT
> Do the astronauts push any button, flip any switch during shuttle ascent?
> I have looked some launch video from inside cockpit and don't know if the
> push something or only point at it.
>
> If do so, which ones?

Not a lot.  They're basically along for the ride.  The pilot's main job
is during emergencies (not that there's a whole lot he/she can do
during an emergency other than say "uh-oh").  During normal operations
I'm only aware of one in-shuttle activity between SRB ignition and
MECO:

T+30s:  ADI ATT switches to LVLH positions
This happens right after the roll maneuver and it adjusts the attitude
direction indicator.  I think this is for the pilot's own benefit and
has nothing to do with the flight.

After MECO things start to pick up as the OMS burns happen, the
umbilical doors close, the computer programs are changed from launch to
orbital operations, and so forth.

Disclaimer: My info is dated, things may be different in the new glass
cockpits.
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 21 Jul 2006 23:28 GMT
> > Do the astronauts push any button, flip any switch during shuttle ascent?
> > I have looked some launch video from inside cockpit and don't know if the
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> direction indicator.  I think this is for the pilot's own benefit and
> has nothing to do with the flight.

They have in a few cases hit switches in response to alerts, such as the
engine inhibit switch on I think Eileen Collins' first flight to prevent it
from shutting down and forcing an abort.

> After MECO things start to pick up as the OMS burns happen, the
> umbilical doors close, the computer programs are changed from launch to
> orbital operations, and so forth.
>
> Disclaimer: My info is dated, things may be different in the new glass
> cockpits.
AmericaPatriot - 21 Jul 2006 22:47 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> thanks
> (excuse my english)

Not unless they need to take a sh.t
Ry Alford - 22 Jul 2006 03:44 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>thanks
>(excuse my english) >

There is an Abort mode switch that CDR changes as they progress thru
ascent.  Not sure if this has changed with glass cockpits though.
John - 22 Jul 2006 15:50 GMT
> >Hi,
> >
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> There is an Abort mode switch that CDR changes as they progress thru
> ascent.  Not sure if this has changed with glass cockpits though.

On STS-51F, the number one SSME on Challenger shut down prematurely due
to a sensor problem. An abort to orbit was declared.  That required CDR
Fullerton to rotate the Abort Mode switch to the ATO position and press
the Abort button.  From then on, l believe the pilots continued to
monitor flight performance until MECO.

Endeavour may have had to do the same thing in February 2000.  I found
one passing reference to it but I have to run to work.   Try goggling
abort to orbit.

blue skies

John
Craig Fink - 22 Jul 2006 16:03 GMT
>> >Hi,
>> >
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> the Abort button.  From then on, l believe the pilots continued to
> monitor flight performance until MECO.

I remember that one, we also skipped the OMS-1 to make up the underspeed.
Coasted to apogee and did the burn there. In sims we would have normally
made up the underspeed with an OMS-1 burn.

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Danny Dot - 30 Jul 2006 18:28 GMT
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>>> >Hi,
>>> >
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>>> >the
>>> >push something or only point at it.

They don't move the abort rotory switch unless they perform an abort.  The
only nominal switch throw is the switch to control the software driving the
attitude indicator.   One of the ADI modes has a sigularity when pointed
straight up, so they launch out of this mode.  Very early they move the
switch to the mode needed for ascent.  It is interesting to note that on an
RTLS, the orbiter will fly straight up as it pitches through the vertical.
The attitude indicator goes nuts for couple of seconds.

We almost put a seperate attittude indicator in the cockpit to be used
during ascent and entry.  We ended up compromizing a bit and accepted the
one that tumbles when pointed straight up.

>>> >If do so, which ones?
>>> >
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> Coasted to apogee and did the burn there. In sims we would have normally
> made up the underspeed with an OMS-1 burn.
Les Hemmings - 22 Jul 2006 17:35 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> thanks
> (excuse my english)

Got a link for that in cockpit launch video?

L

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Vandar - 23 Jul 2006 12:11 GMT
>>Hi,
>>
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>
> Got a link for that in cockpit launch video?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=APmjVUCwNIU
Les Hemmings - 25 Jul 2006 17:50 GMT
>> Got a link for that in cockpit launch video?
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=APmjVUCwNIU

Cheers Vandar! Is there the same for re-entry?

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Vandar - 27 Jul 2006 00:14 GMT
>>>Got a link for that in cockpit launch video?
>>
>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=APmjVUCwNIU
>
> Cheers Vandar! Is there the same for re-entry?

Not that I've seen, but I'd be interested in seeing it as well.
I'd also like to see a landing video from inside the cockpit. The only
video I've seen shows the HUD for a few seconds and then cuts to an
exterior view of the Shuttle.
 
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