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Space Forum / Shuttle / March 2006clear coverup of life on Venus
This photo orginal color? That look volcanic to you? NOPE... Clouds are acidic, that's hilarious, and clearly a coverup of life. Clouds only can be water vapor, and nothing else. Acid mitigates and doesn't assume vaporous form. They're lying, and this original color photo shows elements of life (water and clouds). See the picture. -0------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=501&gid=38 Beneath the Clouds of Venus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Venus by Galileo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here the Galileo spacecraft, en route to Jupiter, images the cloud features of Venus, which perpetually shroud its volcanic surface. Venus, Earth's twin planet in size, is actually the most inhospitable planet in the solar system due to its atmospheric makeup, which is 96 percent carbon dioxide. The dense layer of clouds is believed to be composed of sulfuric acid droplets, not water. <jggiethewondercat@yahoo.com> coughed up a fur ball in message news:1142291945.390217.193200@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > This photo orginal color? That look volcanic to you? NOPE... > > Clouds are acidic, that's hilarious, and clearly a coverup of life. > Clouds only can be water vapor, and nothing else. Acid mitigates and > doesn't assume vaporous form. They're lying, and this original color > photo shows elements of life (water and clouds). See the picture. I take it you've already bought your ticket for the next shutle ride to venus to show us all how right you are. Adios Amigo. George The real reason NASA is covering up life on venus is that it knows that Venus is populated only by beautiful women who, by necessity, would be lesbians capable of reproduction. Knowledge of this would greatly reduce the popularity of the current government in the USA which garners much of its support on its anti gay policies. The mere thought of all those beautiful women soaping each other in the shower would be enough to turn most males in the USA to support gays and thus the current government would lose some of its support base and stand to lose the next election. This is the REAL reason NASA was instructed by the white house to keep the existence of Venusian women secret. However, there are rumours that Victoria's Secrets as well as the california porn industry may join forces to lobby the government to not only admit to the females on venus, but also strike a free trade deal with Venus to allow Victoria's Secret to penetrate a huge female market, and for the porn industry to source great new actresses for its movies. Just imagine the titles such as "Debbie does Venus". And if NASA gets royalties from those movies, as well as revenues from transporting tons of Victoria's Secret lingerie to Venus, its budgets would be sufficient to fund its other endeavours. Mezei, please take your fantasies and hate elsewhere. Or keep them to yourself. -- rk >The real reason NASA is covering up life on venus is that it knows that >Venus is populated only by beautiful women who, by necessity, would be [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >of Victoria's Secret lingerie to Venus, its budgets would be sufficient >to fund its other endeavours. >please take your fantasies and hate elsewhere. Or keep them to > yourself. How come you aren't your flippant and arogant self to the posters who began that thread which doesn't belong in the shuttle newsgroup to begin with ? You had plenty of time to insult them. But you respond to mine within an hour, as if you had software to automatically advise you of everything I post. Ah, Mezei, arguing by snipping again and think that you can just present incorrect material and fool everyone. I'm sorry, that did not work. <restoring original Mezei post for context> From: John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> Newsgroups: alt.music.rush,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: clear coverup of life on Venus NNTP-Posting-Host: ab2a82db.news.astraweb.com The real reason NASA is covering up life on venus is that it knows that Venus is populated only by beautiful women who, by necessity, would be lesbians capable of reproduction. Knowledge of this would greatly reduce the popularity of the current government in the USA which garners much of its support on its anti gay policies. The mere thought of all those beautiful women soaping each other in the shower would be enough to turn most males in the USA to support gays and thus the current government would lose some of its support base and stand to lose the next election. This is the REAL reason NASA was instructed by the white house to keep the existence of Venusian women secret. However, there are rumours that Victoria's Secrets as well as the california porn industry may join forces to lobby the government to not only admit to the females on venus, but also strike a free trade deal with Venus to allow Victoria's Secret to penetrate a huge female market, and for the porn industry to source great new actresses for its movies. Just imagine the titles such as "Debbie does Venus". And if NASA gets royalties from those movies, as well as revenues from transporting tons of Victoria's Secret lingerie to Venus, its budgets would be sufficient to fund its other endeavours. </restoring original Mezei post for context> Now that context is restored, let's go through your current post. >>please take your fantasies and hate elsewhere. Or keep them to >> yourself. > >How come you aren't your flippant and arogant self I'm sorry, Mezei, you're in error. My response to you was neither flippant nor arrogant. >to the posters who >began that thread which doesn't belong in the shuttle newsgroup to begin >with ? Note that the original poster was neither writing inappropriate sexual fantisies mixed in with your well-known hatred. Also note that someone already responded to the original poster. Now, you failed to respond to that responder although his words were in fact a bit on the harsh side. > You had plenty of time to insult them. The "are you still beating your wife" argument is noted and rejected -- you were not insulted. Unless you view anyone as not agreeing with you as insulting you, which is a distinct possibility. In any event, another poster responded to the original poster, who's post was not filled with inappropriate sexual fantasy and hate. >But you respond to mine >within an hour, as if you had software to automatically advise you of >everything I post. I had no idea that I responded within an hour. Is that important? Now, perhaps you should have a conversation with someone who can help you with your troubles that result in your posting your sexual and hate-filled fantasies. That will also be a good time to discuss your paranoia about this mythical software. Again, I would simply suggest to you to take your fantasies and hate elsewhere. Do have a good day!  Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "The number of people having any connection with the project must be restricted in an almost vicious manner. Use a small number of good people." -- Kelly Johnson in Skunk Works Not really difficult to set up > But you respond to mine > within an hour, as if you had software to automatically advise you of > everything I post. JF Mezei trolled: >The real reason NASA is covering up life on venus is that it knows that >Venus is populated only by beautiful women who, by necessity, would be [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >of Victoria's Secret lingerie to Venus, its budgets would be sufficient >to fund its other endeavours. Does your mom know how much time you spend down there in the basement watching lesbian porn? As you approach your 50th birthday, will your parents finally ask you to get a job and move out? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/5e814528bf75efa9 >JF Mezei trolled: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>of Victoria's Secret lingerie to Venus, its budgets would be sufficient >>to fund its other endeavours. Lesbians in space! Another scandal for the Bush administration! I bet Rove is behind this. He looks like the kind of guy who keeps a secret apartment full of porn and whips and chains. >Does your mom know how much time you spend down there in the basement >watching lesbian porn? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/5e814528bf75efa9 What you have to understand is that it is common for people in many countries to live at home until late in life. In Italy for instance men stay at home until their forties or in some cases even beyond. > >JF Mezei trolled: > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > countries to live at home until late in life. In Italy for instance > men stay at home until their forties or in some cases even beyond. Except JF will still be at home until he is _1_40... Signaturebest Greg >> >JF Mezei trolled: >> > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Except JF will still be at home until he is _1_40... Why is he having such a hard time leaving the nest? > >> >JF Mezei trolled: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> >>the popularity of the current government in the USA which garners much > >> >>of its support on its anti gay policies. You realize that Thurgood Tucker et al would probably cite this post as proof ....... -- Connie Markiewicz Cumann Na mBan "I'm Minister for Gun-Running, Daylight Robbery, and General Mayhem." Michael Collins, Finance Minister, Irish Republic 1918 > You realize that Thurgood Tucker et al would probably cite this post as proof > ....... I already know that there are already many thousands of sick lesbians on Venus. The pits of hell in the bowels of the earth were filled to capacity decades ago. Homosexuals have contributed significantly to overpopulation in hell for the last century. So it was moved to Venus, where the temperature is several hundred degrees and where the atmospheric pressure is intense. The homosexuals on Venus are far from beautiful, however. They are suffering eternal torment for their many sins, chief among which is denying their bodies to the husbands God chose for them. I don't need heathens to tell me what goes on in the hereafter. God already revealed the Hidden Truth to me through the holy "Kingdom Come!" Church newsletter. Laying the WHOLE Gospel Truth on the line for scoffers every day, Reverend Dr. TRUTH Gospel Preacher Extraordinaire © 2006 by the First Universal Christian Kingdom All rights reserved. Unauthorized reproduction is always prohibited. > JF Mezei trolled: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/5e814528bf75efa9 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS About JF MEZEI The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups. (Last Revised - August 3, 2005) Written by: Marc Bissonnette 1725 Beachburg Road Beachburg, Ontario K0J 1C0 (613) 582-7056 d r a g n e t @ i n t e r n a l y s i s . c o m http://www.internalysis.com http://www.canadianisp.com and Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 c o t a 3 4 8 @ r o g e r s . c o m a d 6 0 7 @ F r e e N e t . C a r l e t o n . C A 1. Who is JF Mezei? Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups. He is also one of the longest running trolls in usenet history. ***WARNING: JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER. HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.*** If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the control.cancel newsgroup. If you find that he has cancelled your messages, forward a copies of them to: a b u s e @ t e k s a v v y . c o m a b u s e @ a s t r a w e b . c o m a b u s e @ t e r a n e w s . c o m See also http://www.usenetabuse.com 2. How long has he been trolling? For well over a decade. 3. Where does he live? Montreal, Quebec, Canada Jean-Francois Mezei 86 Harwood Gate Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3 (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259 His current e-mail addresses are: j f m e z e i @ t e k s a v v y . c o m j f m e z e i @ v a x i n a t i o n . c a His website is http://www.vaxination.ca . 4. What makes him such a malicious troll? His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless. Once he invades your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end. He does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!" 5. What does he troll about? His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex. He hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing fest. If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts. 6. What does he hate about the USA? Everything! He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly. The USA is a happier, better, more successful version of their country and they can't stand it. Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the Bush Regime", "the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc. 7. What about his sexual trolling? Ah, that is JF at his trolling best. No sexual topic is too bizarre. Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless. 8. Circumcision??? Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years. He still likes to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then. Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world. Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was psychologically scarred (so he claims). As soon as he could he arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy. His main argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel. 9. What's his interest in child sexuality? That sounds kind of freaky. Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky. Among the subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens. He is also a tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans". He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems. Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises. 10. Ewww! This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute! Are you sure about all this stuff? Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself. There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there. 11. How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like all trolls do? Of course! See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases. 12. So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work? Ha ha ha! JF hasn't worked a day in his life! He's an adult baby, a grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups all night. In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike. 13. That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something? Bingo! JF is a boy in a grown man's body. Psychologically he never got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow. 14. Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is that true? Yes! JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room. He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins. He stalks the men in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if they have been circumcised. He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis. 15. Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts! He should be locked up in an insane asylum! Yep, JF is certifiably insane. He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hat world where others are out to get him. The key to understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM. To JF the world is out to get him, especially the USA. Victimhood is what JF is all about. What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system was "killed", in his words. He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a good freak. Then he turned his attention to aviation. Major events that made him fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil). So paranoid is he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air Canada markings. He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash investigation. He has never recovered from this. 16. Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously for decades. JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore. It's really pathetic! 17. Where else does he hang out? can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer groups. For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for. But they ran him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds. 18. It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll. Pretty much. For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major netkook he is. 19. Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is! Exactly. Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms. And while you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too. And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. 20. What else can I do? Is there an abuse address? Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to: a b u s e @ t e k s a v v y . c o m d n s a d m i n @ t e k s a v v y . c o m a b u s e @ t e r a n e w s . c o m a b u s e @ a s t r a w e b . c o m also http://www.usenetabuse.com You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575. TekSavvy Solutions Inc. 330 Richmond St., Suite 205 Chatham, ON, Canada N7M 1P7 And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely. Post it to newsgroups, email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc. *** APPENDIX *** List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years. This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list. j f m e z e i @ t e k s a v v y . c o m j f m e z e i . s p a m n o t @ t e k s a v v y . c o m j f m e z e i @ i s t o p . c o m j f m e z e i . s p a m n o t @ i s t o p . c o m j f m e z e i @ v i d e o t r o n . c a j f m e z e i @ v l . v i d e o t r o n . c a n o s p a m . j f m e z e i @ v i d e o t r o n . c a " j f m e z e i " @ v i d e o t r o n . c a [ n o s p a m ] nobody <n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . c o m> nobody <n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . n e t> nobody <n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . o r g> nobody <n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . i n f o> nobody <n o b o d y @ n o b o d y . i n t> nobody <n o b o d y @ n o t h i n g . n i l> nobody <n o b o d y @ n u l l . d e v> Janice Staples <jstap...@noaol.com> Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> Lando Calrisian <Lcalris...@empire.org> muklak <muk...@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <s...@station.au> snowy squirrel <squir...@nest.tree> Conspiracy Theory <conspir...@theory.org> Lou Raccoon <L.Racc...@wilderness.org> Flapping Labias <fla...@anatomy.org> Throbbing vulva <t.vu...@anatomy.org> Twin Gonads <t...@gonads.com> Loose Scrotum <l.scro...@anatomy.org> Raised Organ <R.Or...@anatomy.org> Popped Cherry <P.Che...@anatomy.org> Monica Lewinski <billclin...@westchester.com> Deep Fried Foreskin <d...@mcdonalds.com> Aroma of Smegma <a...@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.F...@smell.org> Pubic dandruff <P.dandr...@anatomy.org> Voluptuous Nipple <V.nip...@anatomy.org> Inserted Finger <I.Fin...@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <sha...@anatomy.org> Flatulent Meatus <F.Mea...@anatomy.org> Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGr...@anatomy.org> Pre Khum <P.K...@anatomy.org> Phi Mosis <Phi.Mo...@anatomy.org> Bal Anatis <Bal.Ana...@anatomy.org> Fren Ullum <F.Ul...@anatomy.org> Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getl...@onani.org> Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wanka...@onani.org> Ivanna Umpalot <Humpa...@drevil.com> Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneo...@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.It...@inneed.org> Wan Towank <W.ToW...@anatomy.org> Wan Tolik <w.to...@anatomy.org> Testos Terone <t.ter...@anatomy.org> Upper Gonad <U.Go...@anatomy.org> Right Gonad <R.Go...@anatomy.org> Left Gonad <L.Go...@anatomy.org> Tyson's Glands <Tyso...@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.h...@anatomy.org> Coronal Sulcus <C.Sul...@anatomy.org> Corpus Cavernus <manh...@anatomy.org> Armpit moisture <arm...@anatomy.org> Onani Room <o...@hotels.com> Arnie's Banana <wei...@terminator.com> Raised eyebrows <r.eyebr...@anatomy.org> Vas Deferens <V.defer...@anatomy.org> Naked Canuck <N.can...@naturists.org> Arni's socks <Smelly.So...@arnold.org> Notable Exception <N.except...@untied.com> Unpopped Cherry <U.Che...@anatomy.org> Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovar...@anatomy.org> Pierced eyelid <p.eye...@piercings.org> Limp Tomato <limp.tom...@vegetables.org> Eggplant Earrings <e.earri...@piercings.org> Banana Underpants <B.Underpa...@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <n...@lint.mil> Ingrown Toenail <i.toen...@anatomy.org> Empty Stomach <E.Stom...@anatomy.org> Full Stomach <f.stom...@anatomy.org> Smelly Cat <S...@friends.nbc.com> Torn Ligament <T.Ligam...@anatomy.org> Art Tistic <A.Tis...@modern.museum> Furry Raccoon <F.Racc...@wilderness.org> Wet Racoon <W.Rac...@wildnerness.org> Mad Racoon <M.Rac...@wildlife.org> Lazy Racoon <L.Rac...@wilderness.org> Eaten Racoon <E.Racc...@mcdonalds.com> Happy Raccoon <H.Rac...@wilderness.org> Sleeping Racoon <S.Rac...@wilderness.org> Hungry Racoon <H.Rac...@wilderness.org> Horny Raccoon <H.Rac...@fauna.org> Smart Raccoon <S.Racc...@wilderness.org> George W Raccoon <GW.Racc...@wilderness.org> Ronald McRaccoon <r.racc...@wilderness.org> Thirsty Raccoon <T.Racc...@wilderness.org> Johnny Raccoon <J.Rac...@wilderness.org> Oshi Santo <O.Sa...@nx01.starfleet.org> Oishi Chinko <O.Chi...@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yel...@nowhere.com> Q <q...@continuum.net> Borg Queen <1...@borg.org> Ronald Wilkerson <wilkers...@sympatico.ca> John Balterman <j.balter...@sympatico.ca> *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* " </> Wow! This "JF" character is *really* sorta wierd, ain't he...??? SignatureBest Greg What is the cut-off age for Astronaut training???? :0) DT >> JF Mezei trolled: >> [quoted text clipped - 399 lines] > > Wow! This "JF" character is *really* sorta wierd, ain't he...??? >What is the cut-off age for Astronaut training???? > >:0) > >DT Be careful. Those space lesbians might have some secret weapons we earthlings have never heard of. >>> JF Mezei trolled: >>> [quoted text clipped - 399 lines] >> >> Wow! This "JF" character is *really* sorta wierd, ain't he...??? Be careful. Those space lesbians might have some secret weapons we earthlings have never heard of. /on stereotype I heard the weapon was developed by Subaru and contains a neutered cat dressed in flannel, full of macaroni and cheese and wearing comfortable shoes. /off lesbian stereotype > >What is the cut-off age for Astronaut training???? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Be careful. Those space lesbians might have some secret weapons we > earthlings have never heard of. The alledged Weapons of Muff Destruction! jgcho; "Lesbians living on Venus! NASA Coverup" Try thinking exoskeletal Lesbians as living on Venus (Cathars none the less), or perhaps ET Lesbians as having been coexisting on Venus. I'm assuming you've taken a basic look-see at my observationology, as to what I've interpreted that's highly rational and perfectly intelligent looking as to whatever's so extremely interesting of depicting significant remmains, or as to perhaps of what's currently coexisting as Venusian infrastructure, that's in a very big physical way suggesting we've been summarily snookered all along by those supposedly having "the right stuff". Unfortunately, my good old PC is having yet another bad sort of Usenet day, as for getting the usual MIB/Usenet butt-loads of their GOOGLE sponsored MI6~NSA/CIA malware/fuckware, thus I'm having to continually recover from having been forced into those unscheduled PC reset/reboot situations that are downright annoying. Which is often the reason why it's taking so gosh darn long for myself to contribute my two cents worth. There's no question that Venus is surrounded by sufficiently wet clouds. However, there may only be a few teratonnes of h2o to go around, but that's more than good enough if you're the least bit intelligent. There's a darn good chance that them thar Venusian clouds are still extremely acidic, as well as for hosting a rather nasty layer of S8, of which obviously in of itself doesn't exclude the slight portion of h2o that may be somewhat limited to a few teratonnes, whereas our environment is hosting roughly 50 teratonnes of h2o that's continually with our polluted and thus global warming atmosphere and clouds that have been getting somewhat acidic. The last time I'd checked, a little acid worth of a cloud layer hasn't thus far harmed a soul upon the nearly bone dry and somewhat geothermally toasty surface of Venus, not even in the highest mountains in the season of nighttime is there so much as a drop of acidic water landing on Venusian soil. I've noticed how your topic has attracted all of the usual naysay flies of this MI6~NSA/CIA Usenet of infomercial-science from hell. Too bad they're all so gosh darn incest cloned and brown-nosed, thereby sucking and blowing on behalf of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush). I'm interested to better know and thereby appreciate whatever's your personal expertise or life experience got to offer. Are you especially good at math, physics, biology or just keen on the atmospheric sciences that seems to suggest that you might know of too much for your own damn good? Do you have any associations with folks in high or low places that you and myself can put to good work? - Brad Guth > Unfortunately, my good old PC is having yet another bad sort of Usenet > day, as for getting the usual MIB/Usenet butt-loads of their GOOGLE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it's taking so gosh darn long for myself to contribute my two cents > worth. I told you to get a good firewall and defragment your computer weekly. Sounds like you need the complete McAfee Protection Suite. > There's no question that Venus is surrounded by sufficiently wet > clouds. However, there may only be a few teratonnes of h2o to go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with our polluted and thus global warming atmosphere and clouds that > have been getting somewhat acidic. Once again, plenty of water for Astronauts and Ship. Earth has acid rain too. So, what's the big deal about acid clouds? > The last time I'd checked, a little acid worth of a cloud layer hasn't > thus far harmed a soul upon the nearly bone dry and somewhat > geothermally toasty surface of Venus, not even in the highest mountains > in the season of nighttime is there so much as a drop of acidic water > landing on Venusian soil. This is why everyone is buying water. Otherwise, your teeth keep getting smaller. tomcat >I told you to get a good firewall and defragment your computer weekly. >Sounds like you need the complete McAfee Protection Suite. I need lots of things. What do you have (besides your usual naysayism) that's nearly or better than free? >Once again, plenty of water for Astronauts and Ship. Earth has acid >rain too. So, what's the big deal about acid clouds? >This is why everyone is buying water. Otherwise, your teeth keep >getting smaller. Good points to keep in perspective. In case we ever go to Venus, as such we should take kegs of nearly frozen beer, as to trade for the use of one of their rigid airships. If we can keep them Venusian heathens drunk and/or pregnant, chances are they'll never realize what we're taking and otherwise doing that's so nasty to their world. - Brad Guth > I need lots of things. What do you have (besides your usual naysayism) > that's nearly or better than free? Knowledge of how to build a SSTP waverider. > Good points to keep in perspective. In case we ever go to Venus, as > such we should take kegs of nearly frozen beer, as to trade for the use > of one of their rigid airships. It is time for the beginnings of interplanetary trade. Trillions of dollars are to be made. > If we can keep them Venusian heathens drunk and/or pregnant, chances > are they'll never realize what we're taking and otherwise doing that's > so nasty to their world. If the atmospheric pressure is anywhere near as high as advertised on the informercials, then you might end of sleeping with a . . . lobster! tomcat >tomcat; Knowledge of how to build a SSTP waverider. OK, I'll buy into that, and especially so if you'll help R&D a small robotic version of a rigid airship for exploring about the likes of Venus (the first one can be a one-way ticket to ride, second version as much bigger and better suited for accommodating a 19+ month two-way ticket for us humans). Can you do that much without going postal? If so, I'll make some vague suggestions that you can take to the bank from that point on. >It is time for the beginnings of interplanetary trade. Trillions of >dollars are to be made. I agree, though I can't but wonder what our first interplanetary exchange rate might be like. We could have lots of fun toying with those Venusian heathens before they ever realized how badly they'd been snookered by those of us having "the right stuff". >If the atmospheric pressure is anywhere near as high as advertised on >the informercials, then you might end of sleeping with a . . . lobster! Robotically speaking is where that pressure is nearly a non-issue. Humaly speaking, it'll take more than a little getting used to, however the superior French science of affording such high pressure expertise upon life as we know it, as such they've already established the sorts of applied technology and obviously having the proven talents as to making that happen without our having to die for it. - Brad Guth > >tomcat; Knowledge of how to build a SSTP waverider. > OK, I'll buy into that, and especially so if you'll help R&D a small [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > so, I'll make some vague suggestions that you can take to the bank from > that point on. Nothing wrong with a robot or two, first. Robots go where man fears to tread. Perhaps, really sophisticated humanoid robots -- Androids! Yes, androids, carefully constructed, clothed, and groomed to look and act 'exactly' like us. That way we will find out what the Venusians have in store for us. In fact, androids in specially constructed 'robot' ships with computers not unlike the HAL 9000 in 2001 a Space Odyssey. Nothing like a little 'surprise' for the . . . Venusians. > >It is time for the beginnings of interplanetary trade. Trillions of > >dollars are to be made. > I agree, though I can't but wonder what our first interplanetary > exchange rate might be like. We could have lots of fun toying with > those Venusian heathens before they ever realized how badly they'd been > snookered by those of us having "the right stuff". The highest standard of living in the U.S. is found in America's Port Cities. It has always been that way. Huge, monsterous sums of money are always made with major trade agreements with far off exotic places. In the past this meant Japan, and China. Today, it means Venus and Mars! Imagine 20 or 30 billion dollar profits on a single deal! Orders for a 100,000,000 of this or half a trillion of that with 'cost no object', because the items we sell are totaly unique in such strange lands (planets). Imagine the same amounts made selling Venusian or Martian mechandise to the entire Planet Earth! It is mind boggling. > >If the atmospheric pressure is anywhere near as high as advertised on > >the informercials, then you might end of sleeping with a . . . lobster! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of applied technology and obviously having the proven talents as to > making that happen without our having to die for it. If the French go first they will get richer than the U.S. It is better to send really sophisticated Androids first. I don't know if Star Trek's "Data" is within our capability. We don't have positronic brains yet. But a R2D2 that wears clothes is certainly possible. Or, perhaps a slimmed down version of 'Robbie the Robot' like in "Forbidden Planet". The USAF had better get busy building 'warships' for Outer Space. If this new era is anything like our 'sailing ship' era of the past, there will be 'action' on the High Seas. I can see it now, Pirates in colorful garb, Venusians wearing armor, using ray guns, mowing everything down in their path -- until they get the 'price' they want. Martians using 'Mind Control' and then claiming they have never heard of 'such a thing', and that it shouldn't void out perfectly good 'contracts' anyway. tomcat tomcat, That's not quite what I had in mind, but at least it's getting your mindset on the same set of tracks. How about that AI/robotic rigid airship? Can you accomplish this R&D task or not? I'm not talking about sending in robotic humans, just the little rigid airship (say as little as 100 m3 up to a maximum of 1000 m3) that's absolutely chuck full of science instruments, that can get itself safely into and thus under those thick clouds, so as to float and cruse itself efficiently about for at least the next 24+ months (longer if possible). - Brad Guth What do you do for a living, Brad? And what is your age? SignatureJim Geiger is what Willis was talkin' 'bout. > tomcat, > That's not quite what I had in mind, but at least it's getting your [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > itself efficiently about for at least the next 24+ months (longer if > possible). Yes, it is possible. It would be delta shaped waverider about 300 feet to a side. It could be equipped with a HAL 9000 computer. And, with Venus' atmospheric pressure just about anything will float. A small nuclear reactor could provide 10 years of electrical energy so 24+ months shouldn't be difficult. tomcat tomcat, Actually for the mostly nighttime season of sustaining a cruising altitude of 25 km is where the supposed pressure isn't all that great, although buoyancy should still offer an impressive factor, and otherwise within the season of nighttime and for keeping that 25 km distance away from the geothermally toasty surface is why it's quite a bit cooler yet, whereas we can count on better than -8°K/km, that which should knock off better than another 200 K for good measure. The first few km off that geothermal deck should actually offer us something better than -10 K/km, thereby losing 50 K in the first 5 km is a good possibility, with the -8 K/km for the remaining 20 km should total for taking 210°K off the surface temperature, making the 25 km cruising altitude in the toasty ballpark of 525 K. Actually your suggestion of 300' seems a wee bit on the large size. How about something not much greater than 50 meters(164') to start with? Can you give this a couple of alternative configurations, at not more that 50 meters LOA? While situated within that Venusian atmospheric soup, we're not looking at requiring any great deal of velocity. Perhaps as little as 10 m/s will due, with a top speed of perhaps 25 m/s. Therefore the design can become somewhat that of a fat-Albert waverider that'll yield the most buoyancy. Even a micro-waverider of as little as 10 meters ott to be initially sufficient, especially since the modern robotic science instruments within are of such minor volume, generally of low mass and of efficient energy consumption. As such we shouldn't need but a kw from that nuclear reactor. How much installed mass would a 10 kw reactor amount to? (shielding could be optional) - Brad Guth > Actually for the mostly nighttime season of sustaining a cruising > altitude of 25 km is where the supposed pressure isn't all that great, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > total for taking 210°K off the surface temperature, making the 25 km > cruising altitude in the toasty ballpark of 525 K. I am still suspicious that the extreme pressure on Venus is caused by the same extreme pressure areas we have here on Earth: Underwater. Except that on Venus it might not be 'water' but, rather, some liquid of a somewhat similiar nature. So, our robot spaceship just might end up floating around on a Venusian sea. The ship will be completely air tight so it won't matter. Now you know why 'flying saucers' are reported just diving into our oceans and traveling underwater. From a good engineering viewpoint there is no difference between gas and liquid except that the pressure increases and your fly-by-wire autopilot has to adjust the control surface settings to adapt to the different environment. Rockets work underwater, you know. Just the air breathers (jet engines) that have trouble. Requires a good sturdy ship to make the transition from air to liquid at high speed, though. The sharp edge of a disc is excellent for this, especially if it is rotating. > Actually your suggestion of 300' seems a wee bit on the large size. > How about something not much greater than 50 meters(164') to start > with? Remember, this is a robotic 'lighter than air' spaceship where the extra size actually helps it to leave the Earth. Also makes it roomy and nice for Astronauts for a non-robot version. A single pilot vehicle with minimal cargo capacity could be quite a bit smaller, however. > Can you give this a couple of alternative configurations, at not more > that 50 meters LOA? Yes, that is possible for a stripped down version, as I mentioned above. > While situated within that Venusian atmospheric soup, we're not looking > at requiring any great deal of velocity. Perhaps as little as 10 m/s > will due, with a top speed of perhaps 25 m/s. Therefore the design can > become somewhat that of a fat-Albert waverider that'll yield the most > buoyancy. A "fat-Albert" is best for leaving the Earth too. Lighter than air is the way to go. > Even a micro-waverider of as little as 10 meters ott to be initially > sufficient, especially since the modern robotic science instruments > within are of such minor volume, generally of low mass and of efficient > energy consumption. As such we shouldn't need but a kw from that > nuclear reactor. You can design very small nuclear reactors that are very safe that should yield upwards of 100 kw. > How much installed mass would a 10 kw reactor amount to? (shielding > could be optional) Perhaps, 500 pounds. That would include some shielding. tomcat tomcat (aka suspicious simply means that you're human), >I am still suspicious that the extreme pressure on Venus is caused by >the same extreme pressure areas we have here on Earth: Underwater. >Except that on Venus it might not be 'water' but, rather, some liquid >of a somewhat similiar nature. So, our robot spaceship just might end >up floating around on a Venusian sea. The ship will be completely air >tight so it won't matter. According to John Ackerman and a few others, there is a rather substantial layer of S8 that's capable of creating a greater amount of pressure in proportion the the otherwise horrifically substantial atmosphere that's primarily that of co2, of which the toasty and absolutely dry co2 that's sequestered well below them nasty clouds is somewhat harmless, as are most other elements that without a good amount of h2o are rather passive elements that'll do us little if any harm. John Ackerman's offers us a few extra words of wisdom about Venus that isn't exactly painting a humanly survivable alternative, especially if you're planning upon going there butt naked as well as for being the dumb and dumber pagan fools that most of us are. http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf We also have this astrobiology: The Case for Venus by; Geoffrey A. Landis http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2003/TM-2003-212310.pdf That's having taken somewhat of another conservative look-see that's indirectly much like John Ackerman and so many others that are at least willing to consider upon the remote possibility that our published mainstream infomercial-science about Venus is somewhat skewed off track if not having been sequestered deep within the nearest space toilet. You can count on a buoyancy of 65+ kg/m3 as cruising near the surface (a bit more so buoyancy in the season of nighttime should place that at better than 70 kg/m3). Therefore, at a good cruising altitude is where your initial design might want to go with an average of 20~25 kg/m3 (with an up/down buoyancy range capability of 10 to 75 kg/m3), whereas a full vacuum method might otherwise be moderated with simply a fill/displacement of toasty H2 that can be safely utilized over and over, especially since it's not likely to ever leak out of the hull of your air-tight spaceplane/airship. For accommodating the maximum cruising altitude of 45 km There's supposedly an atmospheric pressure of nearly 10 bar It's supposedly 375 k (that should be somewhat cooler within the season of nighttime) The buoyancy factor might be worth as much as 15 kg/m3, but not less than 10 kg/m3. >From there on down it only gets rigid-airship better off, though becoming a wee toasty as approaching that very geothermally active surface, of which you'll want to avoid those horrific gas vent's at all cost, whereas otherwise that sort of vertical jetstream of geothermal S8 gas might seriously cook our composite goose. >Remember, this is a robotic 'lighter than air' spaceship where the >extra size actually helps it to leave the Earth. Also makes it roomy >and nice for Astronauts for a non-robot version. That's perfectly good logic but, don't focus so much upon getting it launched under it's own power and fuel capacity, whereas strapping on a couple of those LRBs utilizing the likes of h2o2/c3h4o should get that sort of low inert mass of your spaceplane to nearly if not past LEO status, and for going towards the sun is somewhat of a free ride, especially every 19 months when Venus arrives as nearly within 100 fold the distance to our moon. Therefore, perhaps smaller is going to remain as somewhat better for the first effort of what's 100% robotic. >You can design very small nuclear reactors that are very safe that >should yield upwards of 100 kw. >> How much installed mass would a 10 kw reactor amount to? (shielding >> could be optional) >Perhaps, 500 pounds. That would include some shielding. The hell you say, that 500 lbs can yield 10 kw. I'm impressed, especially since a 10 kw unit should do just fine and dandy for the 50 meter craft that ott to represent 1000 m3 for available buoyancy, and perhaps the 100 kw unit as intended for the 100 meter version that's ofering 8,000 m3 of volumetric buyancy, whereas that nifty reactor of 100 KW should weigh in at just 4t (w/shielding). That's downright seriously good news. Thanks for that terrific amount of constructive information that we can take to each of our offshore banks, those being the same banks as currently utilized used by our resident warlord(GW Bush), his trusty face blasting partner in crimes against humanity being Dick Cheney and of their mutual pagan sub-contractor Halburton that has become worth billions extra in just the last couple of years. Wouldn't you and I like nothing better than to get our hands on just 10% of their portfolios. - Brad Guth |
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