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Space Forum / Shuttle / February 2006NASCAR cars are safer than the NASA space shuttles! NASA needs to be hiring some of that NASCAR expertise in safety!
everyone recalls the 'tragedies' of skytrains1 and 2 - challenger and columbia. Since the beginning of the space shuttle program many more astronauts have died than NASCAR drivers. The only NASCAR driver to pass that I can think of as I write this is the late, great Dale Earnhardt - the greatest racer the sport has ever know and will ever know. Dale Earnhardt had a little help leaving us though - henchmen Ken Shrader and Sterling Marlin saw to it that the dominant Earnhardt was eliminated from this transitory mortal life. NASCAR has traveled many more miles than the space shuttle program since the inception of the space shuttle program and with far fewer deaths. NASA - Need Another Seven Astronauts There is no doubt in my mind that NASA should enlist the aid of NASCAR engineers to get the space shuttle program back to the proper focus - safety first. God knows NASA hasn't done a good job with the space shuttle program. 14 astronauts have been sacrificed up to the Gods in the name of expediency - the Challenger O-ring problem was micromanaged horribly by the evil henchman Ronald Reagan (it WAS on his watch) and the Columbia fiasco is one that should never have happened. They knew there were problems with those tiles on Columbia but they sent those innocent astronauts up anyway. WeLoveThemEarnhardts (and we hate the way NASA runs their space shuttle program and will ALWAYS hate Ronald "Bonzo" Reagan for being a nincompoop and paranoid) How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the Earths astmosphere? What specific advantages could these NASCAR engineeris bring to the table? Please, Im curious as to what specifics you have in mind. "Rosie" <smileshorts@yahoo.com> wrote... > How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the > Earths astmosphere? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please, Im curious as to what specifics you have in mind. I suspect that the major "specific" to which he couldlook forward would be his mother's replacement of his current stubby little plastic spoon with a full size metal one with which he might better direct oatmeal to his mouth. TMO > How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the > Earths astmosphere? Well, there have been a lot of accidents in NASCAR races. And all were able to live from it except Dale Earnhardt - he was the victim of evil henchmen. > What specific advantages could these NASCAR engineeris bring to the > table? You have done nothing to contradict my major assertion in my original post Rosie. That NASCAR drivers have driven a lot farther than the space shuttles have and NASCAR has 'only' (and I really do hate to use that word, because Dale is and was such a legend) lost 1 driver when, in the meantime NASA has sacrificed 14 'innocent' astronauts up to the Gods. > Please, Im curious as to what specifics you have in mind. Let NASCAR engineers work on the major problems facing the space shuttle program. At this time it is the foam tiles, but there are many others as well. The NASCAR engineers have the logistics to solve ANY problem. I cannot say the same thing for the NASA 'engineers'. I rest my case, unless you wanna come back for yet another spanking! Welovethemearnhardts (ALWAYS prolific/cogent/insightful...and sometimes inciteful as well) > > How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the > > Earths astmosphere? > > Well, there have been a lot of accidents in NASCAR races. And all were > able to live from it except Dale Earnhardt - he was the victim of evil > henchmen. Actually wasn't his neck broken because he dismissed the 'hans device' as cissy ? Silly bugger. Macho = idiot. Graham >> How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the >> Earths astmosphere? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Welovethemearnhardts > (ALWAYS prolific/cogent/insightful...and sometimes inciteful as well) I have to disagree with you. The technique used in NASCAR is completely diffrent form the Space Shuttle. Why, you ask? Very simple: NASCAR cars do not have to use heat protection up to 1500-2000 deg C, NASCAR cars do not travel beyond 500 MPH (estimated!!), NASCAR cars do not use rocket engines, but 'simple' internal combustion, NASCAR cars do not carry oxygen and hydrogen as propellant (SSME's) NASCAR cars do not use solid fuel ingines (SRB's), NASCAR cars do not weigh up to 70 metric tons without payload, NASCAR cars do not travel in space/micro-gravity (probably won't work), NASCAR cars do not carry up to 7 persons, NASCAR cars do not carry life support for up to 3 weeks, NASCAR cars can not carry payloads up to the size of a school-bus, NASCAR cars can not carry out space research, NASCAR cars can not survive 17000 MPH, NASCAR cars will burn up upon re-entry, and driver wil die... Need I write more?!?!? André PS.: rocket science IS needed to launch a shuttle!  Signature73' André, PE1PQX Mijn site: http://pe1pqx.dyndns.org > You have done nothing to contradict my major assertion ..... That NASCAR > drivers have driven a lot farther than the > space shuttles have and NASCAR has 'only' ...... lost 1 driver when, > in the meantime NASA has sacrificed 14 'innocent' astronauts up to the > Gods. Only a complete cretin would even consider making a comparison of these 2 very different things. I don't see any rocket powered NASCAR vehicles. Graham >> How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the >> Earths astmosphere? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >in the meantime NASA has sacrificed 14 'innocent' astronauts up to the >Gods. Uh-huh. NASCAR has only lost 1 driver. Right. That means Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Neil Bonnett, J.D. McDuffie and the lives of other drivers lost in crashes were worth ZIP to you. What an idiot troll. > > How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the > > Earths astmosphere? > > Well, there have been a lot of accidents in NASCAR races. And all were > able to live from it except Dale Earnhardt - he was the victim of evil > henchmen. Mr. Earnhardt has absolutely nothing to do with space exploration. Can we leave him out of this? > > What specific advantages could these NASCAR engineeris bring to the > > table? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in the meantime NASA has sacrificed 14 'innocent' astronauts up to the > Gods. I did not intend to contradict, but to challenge. You cannot possibly compare the deaths of drivers and astronauts. Launching into space is far more dangerous than racing a car. This is a moot point. > > Please, Im curious as to what specifics you have in mind. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I rest my case, unless you wanna come back for yet another spanking! This is rediculous. You must be sriously diluted to believe that. NASA engineers are rocket scientists. NASCAR engineers make cars drive around in circles. An understatement, I know. But the idea that a NASCAR engineer could just walk in one day and solve all of NASA's problems is absolutely ludicrous. (Not to undermine the abilities of NASCAR engineers, Im sure they still know far more than I do.) And I do not appreciate the "spanking" reference. Completely innapropriate and quite rude. By the way, I hope you know that "inciteful" is not a real word. > > > How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the > > > Earths astmosphere? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > NASCAR engineer could just walk in one day and solve all of NASA's > problems is absolutely ludicrous. You misspelled "ridiculous". And that, in and of itself, is ridiculous and shows you are without merit. The reason I say the NASCAR engineers are better than NASA engineers is that they are 'big picture thinkers'. They take a high level view of the situation and then break down into more manageable pieces until they get to the very nitty gritty. You can't say that about NASA engineers. They just think 'this sh.t should fly'...and get very upset when the sh.t does not fly - or when it explodes or breaks into many pieces. > (Not to undermine the abilities of NASCAR engineers, Im sure they still > know far more than I do.) > > And I do not appreciate the "spanking" reference. Completely > innapropriate and quite rude. Well, you just got your spanking above. Come on back if you want another. I can here you right now saying "master, can I have yet another?". ROTFLMAOH! > By the way, I hope you know that "inciteful" is not a real word. It 'tis a word, but it has yet to be added. It is correct syntactically. It refers to one who incites. Thank you for your time, I shall have it added to both dictionary.com AND urbandictionary.com. Spank! WeLoveThemEarnhardts (every day, and in every way) >>>> How exactly does a car accident compare to being incinerated in the >>>> Earths astmosphere? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > fly'...and get very upset when the sh.t does not fly - or when it > explodes or breaks into many pieces. Also NASA has engineers on several parts of the STS programme, each and every engineer are specialized in their subject, and do not interfere with others (SSME engineers do not work on TPS of SRB's...) What you claim about the NASCAR might be true, but NASA sends things to the other side of our solar-system, and the NASCAR engineers sends cars driving laps on a closed circuit, a major difference. In my opinion the technique used on the Space Shuttle is far more sophisticated than the NASCAR uses. Why were during the construction of all the orbiters and related equipment several contracors required? And an other question: did ever a NASCAR car last for 30 years/seasons? >> (Not to undermine the abilities of NASCAR engineers, Im sure they still >> know far more than I do.) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > WeLoveThemEarnhardts > (every day, and in every way) André Signature73' André, PE1PQX Mijn site: http://pe1pqx.dyndns.org I made a typo therefore I must be an idiot. Your reasoning skills astound me. And no, inciteful is not a word. Just because you think it sounds nice does not make it correct. How can you say that NASA engineer dont look at "the big picture"? Have you ever witnessed them at work? Please, stick to the NACAR groups. Rude, uneducated, NASCAR junkies have no place discussing the spcae shuttle. Nascar would never let their drivers near a deathtrap vehicle (one fatality per 8 laps) as unsafe as Nasa's shuttles. Unlike Nasa, they listen to their safety experts. > Nascar would never let their drivers near a deathtrap vehicle (one > fatality per 8 laps) as unsafe as Nasa's shuttles. Unlike Nasa, they > listen to their safety experts. Apparently not. Paul Nixon By the way, you may think you "kicked a.s", but I know that everyone reading this thinks you're a fool. If you're going to open up a discussion you have to be willing to consider the arguments of others. Shouldnt have wasted my time on this. I have nothing else to say to you but have a nice life. - Rosie > By the way, you may think you "kicked a.s", but I know that everyone > reading this thinks you're a fool. If you're going to open up a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Rosie Rosie, PLEASE don't leave me! I love you very much, although we have known each other for a very short time. (on bended knee) Will you marry me? WeLoveThemEarnhardts (each and every one of them, forevah and evah, amen!) You'd think that people with so much knowledge of NASA and the space shuttle would know a troll post when they saw it. Duh.... > You'd think that people with so much knowledge of NASA and the space shuttle > would know a troll post when they saw it. Duh.... True, but sometimes you just cant help it =P >> You'd think that people with so much knowledge of NASA and the space >> shuttle >> would know a troll post when they saw it. Duh.... > > True, but sometimes you just cant help it =P Then you are giving them the attention that their feeble little minds crave so badly. You are only encouraging them to continue their annoying, childish behavior. If no one responded to crossposting trolls, they'd have to get their attention elsewhere. Do usenet a favor and ignore them. Please? > everyone recalls the 'tragedies' of skytrains1 and 2 - challenger and > columbia. Since the beginning of the space shuttle program many more > astronauts have died than NASCAR drivers. <snip> Most race fans overlook the fact that car races are more dangerous for the spectators than the drivers. Ever since the advent of "energy absorbing" body structures, injuries and fatalities in the crowd have been far higher than for the drivers. That's a stat the organizers and sponsors don't want you to know... How many spectators have been killed by just watching a shuttle? At least astronauts know and consent to the risks involved. > everyone recalls the 'tragedies' of skytrains1 and 2 - challenger and > columbia. Since the beginning of the space shuttle program many more [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > (and we hate the way NASA runs their space shuttle program and will > ALWAYS hate Ronald "Bonzo" Reagan for being a nincompoop and paranoid) With NASCAR at the helm the shuttle would stay grounded, for three reasons: 1) Weight (The safety cage alone would weigh as much as the shuttle does currently) 2) Restrictor Plates (It takes gas to go fast and you have to be going darn fast to escape the pull of gravity) 3) Limited Capacity Fuel Tanks (See 2 above, you will need lots of fuel to get into orbit) Then there would be the mandatory 35 orbit pit stop to check the 'tiles'.... Dale made a judgment call. He chose to continue racing after an earlier altercation damaged his shoulder harness. He chose to fall back off his boy's in the final lap thinking he was going to block the pack and insure Jr.'s victory. The pack, three wide out of the turn, overtook Sr., the wave of air built up in front of the pack hit Sr. like a tidal wave, which took the air off the rear of his car making it light. He lost traction and control, hit the wall head-on and the already strained harness failed. Other usenet groups removed. Actually, Maybe it's NASCAR drivers the shuttle program needs. Many of them are pilots. Got a mission with a 50% chance of survival and I bet some good ole boys would fly it just for the heck of it. Kind of like going back to the 50's and 60's when test pilots crashed aircraft so often. The more I learn about Mercury/Gemini/Apollo, the more I'm amazed they worked, especially with the computers of the time. Except for the Apollo 1 tragedy, they were VERY lucky. -- David |
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