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Bush says about the shuttle....and that the White House would not be all that upset if it never flew again.

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Bob Haller - 18 Oct 2005 03:45 GMT
Griffin's Lunch With Andy Card
Editor's note: Mike Griffin recently had lunch with the President's
Chief of Staff, Andrew Card. According to a number of poeple, in his
retelling of that lunch, Griffin has told a number of people that the
topic of the Space Shuttle came up. As Griffin recounts the
conversation to people, Card is purported to have said words to the
effect that the President is concerned about the Space Shuttle's
safety, that he'd like to see it retired as soon as possible, and that
the White House would not be all that upset if it never flew again.

People familiar with high level NASA/White House interactions find it
curious that Card would use lunch to send a policy message when phone
calls and email are the normal mode of conveying such info. Moreover,
others wonder why Griffin is revealing the contents of a private
conversation with the President's Chief of staff - something you are
supposed to keep to yourself. Stay tuned.
Bob Haller - 18 Oct 2005 03:47 GMT
Then theres this.....

Keith Cowing
Monday, October 17, 2005

NASA is faced with a dilemma right now: It wants to fly 19 Space
Shuttle missions - 18 to the International Space Station (ISS) and one
mission to service the Hubble Space Telescope between now and the end
of FY 2010. The problem is that NASA simply does not have the money to
do this. As it has been preparing its FY2007 budget NASA identified
$5.6 billion in so-called "over-guideline" costs needed to support
these missions - at the rate it wanted to fly the missions.

Two alternate approaches are currently under serious consideration - in
real time - at NASA. One, the so-called "Serial Processing" option
would reduce the shuttle flight rate to 2 missions per year, cut the
workforce, stop building the ISS, and live with the consequences.

The other approach would fuse current Space Shuttle, ISS, and
Exploration development closely together such that existing
capabilities could support emerging ones - all this serving to allow
ISS assembly to continue further.

NASA is still deliberating internally on what approach to take with
regard to the formulation of the FY2007 budget.

Serial Processing

The Serial Processing approach would only allow 2 shuttle flights per
year and would not have any capability to add missions if the need
arose. This would mean approximately 8 missions would be flown before
the shuttle fleet would be retired - 7 to the ISS and 1 to Hubble. In
the year that Hubble was serviced, there would be only one shuttle
flight to the ISS thus requiring a new arrangement with Russia for crew
transport (assuming Iran Nonproliferation Act changes have been made),
a longer stay for any Americans on board, or a period when no Americans
are on board ISS.

The assembly of the ISS would be halted almost immediately and the
remaining shuttle flights to ISS would be for logistics purposes only -
to support the configuration which is now on-orbit. The shuttle
propulsion workforce would be cut and would only be able to support the
reduced shuttle flight rate and would not be able to support any
exploration development (CLV and Heavy Launch Vehicle). This propulsion
expertise would then need to be recreated a few years hence when the
CEV and heavy launch vehicles begin to fly.

Other issues to be considered include the construction and launching of
a new docking adaptor NASA is planning for the ISS which would allow
alternate launch vehicles to dock with and service the ISS - and
whether this needs to be launched on a priority basis so as to allow
private sector resupply of the ISS. An RFP on the topic of commercial
ISS servicing was promised by Mike Griffin last summer - but has yet to
materialize.

Under the serial processing option shuttle processing would be reduced
to a single shift with one orbiter processed after another. There would
no longer be any simultaneous or parallel shuttle processing as is now
the case. At least one of the orbiters would also likely be retired
sooner rather than later. Workforce cuts from United Space Alliance
would start in FY 2006 with 600 or so people laid off - rising to an
eventual total cut by FY 2010 of over 6,000.

Not flying ISS hardware developed (at great expense) by the
International Partners is not going to go down well. Not only have the
partners sunk substantial sums of money into the ISS program, they may
have legal recourse to seek financial compensation for their
investments. Moreover, although he has not made this an important part
of his exploration plans, Mike Griffin would find greatly diminished
enthusiasm among other countries for participation in NASA's
exploration plans.

Plan B

The other approach, proposed by the Space Operations Mission
Directorate (SOMD), is to start development of shuttle derived launch
vehicles as defined in NASA's exploration architecture with a merger of
and SOMD and Exploration Systems Mission Directorate (ESMD) staff and
organizations. The two efforts would have their budgets integrated such
that continuing shuttle work as well as CEV and CLV work would be done
in a coordinated fashion. If the economic efficiencies are achieved
then the serial processing approach could be avoided.

As part of this integrated plan test flights of the CEV's Crew Launch
Vehicle (CLV) and heavy launch vehicle systems could be done utilizing
existing shuttle personnel and facilities. The propulsion workforce
that supports shuttle operations could also support CEV development and
testing and thus provide the core of any future support the new launch
vehicles would eventually require.

Of course, to anyone who has worked in human spaceflight over the past
decades, this should sound familiar. This approach follows a
long-standing NASA propensity to stick things together when they are
apart (to save money or make things more efficient) and then pull them
apart when that solution does not work (because of dissimilarities in
approaches) - only to try and put them back together years down the
road. This time, trying to force operations and development together is
being proposed with the simple hope that it will save money.

This happened during and after the Space Station Freedom Program (Code
M and Code D for those of you who remember) when Space Shuttle and
Space Station (then under development) were together in one
organization - and then split apart - and then put back together. More
recently, SOMD and ESMD were created as separate organizations - one
(SOMD) - with a focus on the operation of exiting systems, the other
(ESMD) with a focus on the development of new systems.

Both of these proposed options aren't trying to build and operate the
best hardware. Rather they are attempts by NASA to try and do as much
as possible with an impossibly small budget - all while trying to take
on a whole new development program which will inevitably suffer from
the same problems as have plagued those that came before it.

What's Next?

Mike Griffin has give the go-ahead to take the next 90 days to try and
see if this alternative plan could work. If the economics do not pan
out, NASA would default back to the serial processing approach.

One has to ask, however, if killing the shuttle prematurely and
deliberately hobbling the space station was what the President called
for in January 2004. Moreover, you also have to wonder how this will
sit with Congress. If NASA is so eager to halt the ISS before it can
finally deliver on 20-plus years of promises - and risk international
animosity in the process - what is to stop NASA from walking away from
its new exploration plans next decade - just as things are about to
start happening.

NASA has an attention deficit disorder. At some point NASA has to grow
up and decide to finish things they promised the taxpayer, politicians,
and foreign partners that they'd do - and not walk away from these
things when the luster fades or the money is tight - or when the going
gets tough.
Bob Haller - 18 Oct 2005 03:50 GMT
More.....

NASA Internal Memo from Michael Griffin to William Gerstenmaier:
In-Guide Option for FY 2007 Budget

Pre-Decisional Information - For Internal Use Only

4 October 2005

TO: William Gerstenmaier, Associate Administrator for Space Operations

FROM: Michael Griffin, Administrator

SUBJECT: In-Guide Option for FY 2007 Budget

In looking back at our transition efforts over the summer, I find that
I have not yet fully stepped up to me responsibilities as
Administrator. In particular, it is imperative that we provide an
in-guide option for the Office of Management and Budget for FY 2007. We
can request over-guide consideration, but we must first "answer the
mail". Most of the challenges to doing this lie in Space Operations. It
is incumbent on us to develop an executable option, or face the risk of
a less desirable option being imposed upon us. You and I have discussed
this at some length in the weeks since you have assumed the helm of
SOMD, but we haven't managed to find a plan that meets the
requirements. In recognition of the accelerated schedule for FY07
budget preparation being implemented by OMB, I would like you to
approach this task from the following perspective:

1. Assume serial processing of all Shuttle operations as soon as
possible in FY06. Provide an estimate for the number of Shuttle flights
that can realistically be flown between now and the end of FY2010,
assuming serial processing. Specify all operational assumptions
necessary to execute the serial processing plan, including required
workforce reductions and cost impacts of such.

2. Given the estimated number of Shuttle flights available between now
and the end of 2010, and reserving one flight for a Hubble Space
Telescope servicing mission, recommend an ISS assembly sequence in
which the highest priority is placed on flights to meet International
Partner commitments.

3. Identify specific operational risks, if any, resulting from this
course of action. Identify and recommend mitigation steps for each
risk. Categorize risks by those that are unacceptable from a safety
perspective, those that impact operational efficiencies and logistics,
and those that impact research capabilities.

4. Estimate reductions in SOMD budget projections relative to the
current 18+1 baseline (as reflected in the overguide request) by the
above course of action. Estimate a range of potential reductions in
contractor and civil servant support.

5. In conjunction with Office of External Relations and Office of
General Counsel, identify the potential range of fiscal liabilities
from any failure to meet International Partner commitments. Such
liabilities should be as specific as possible, with potential liens to
Agency budget projections, and should include potential mitigating
factors, if any.

Th Offices of PA&E and the CFO should be consulted to provide
independent verification of the recommended SOMD cost estimates and
budget projections. OSMA should be consulted for independent
verification of potential risks and mitigation measures. I must have an
initial assessment by COB Thursday, 13 October 2005. The final report
is needed by COB Friday, 4 November 2005. If you have any questions,
please contact Scott Pace or me.
Andrew Lotosky - 18 Oct 2005 13:46 GMT
> Then theres this.....
>
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> things when the luster fades or the money is tight - or when the going
> gets tough.

Funny. Isn't that what NASA is trying to do right now, despite the
post-STS 114 clamor to give up and retire the shuttle?

-A.L.
Brian Gaff - 18 Oct 2005 11:20 GMT
Well, if its true that he says this, then he is probably incensed by this
opinion based on lay people's attitudes and maybe he wants to be relieved of
duty under such circumstances. Bit of a kick in the teeth if true.

Sadly I think that the information now coming in from Shuttle flights is
adding to knowledge needed if people are to continue to fly in space in the
future, so to just  cry off frightened, when you have people willing to take
the risk and after so much money has already been spent seems a mite short
sighted.

Maybe that is the  reason.

Is it really on to have so many years with no US involvement in manned
flight at this crucial time? Surely even if the Shuttle  had another
disaster, the loss of life is nothing on the scale of natural disasters and
certain unpopular wars, is it?

In fact, even the money the Shuttle costs, which is always given as a means
of saving money, as it were, is like a drop in the ocean on that needed to
be spent on sea defences and the war.

Brian

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> Griffin's Lunch With Andy Card
> Editor's note: Mike Griffin recently had lunch with the President's
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> conversation with the President's Chief of staff - something you are
> supposed to keep to yourself. Stay tuned.
John Doe - 19 Oct 2005 01:34 GMT
I am not impressed with this Griffin guy.

He steps into the job and starts to make all sorts of fairly dramatic
statements about the shutle being a failure, and now discusses "openly"
plans to donwsize shuttle operations to a point where it is useless abd
bloody expensive to launch 2 people to the station per year instead of
paying the russians $40 million to do the same.

If NASA is not able to complete the job of building the station, if it
is unwilling to fly the shuttle 19 more flights, then why should anyone
trust NASA to be able to complete that mythical CEV ?

The shuttle may not be the cheapest way to space. It may have fragiles
areas, but NASA should prove its capability to tackle those problems. If
it simply abandons projects at the first sign of trouble, NASA will
never go anywhere.

Sounds to me like the guy is not competant and prefers to shut down NASA
instead of taking on the challenges of making NASA work.

There is already a HUGE investment made for all the hardware waiting to
be launched to the station. Keeping all the equipment to rot in a
wharehouse would be squandering nillions of dollars in taxpayer money.
Bob Haller - 19 Oct 2005 02:19 GMT
In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate funding,
it will be a looser.

Griffiins moves appear to be TRYING to find enough bucks to build a new
good system. Sadly Bush wouldnt fund a replacement AND current
operations.

Of course I think they should BUY launch services from whoever can
provide them at best value.

but this would gut too many jobs.....

I think the ISS shuttle are a BIG PIA, and bush wouldnt mind them both
going away
Andrew Lotosky - 19 Oct 2005 03:22 GMT
Okay, was just nosing around, where the heck did these articles come
from? Links?

-A.L.
Jeff Findley - 19 Oct 2005 19:47 GMT
> Okay, was just nosing around, where the heck did these articles come
> from? Links?

I believe that the article that originally started this thread came from:

http://www.nasawatch.com/

Although the person running the site is terribly biased, there's lots of
good info there that goes well beyond what the "popular media" reports about
space.

You can also try other space news sites:

http://www.usspacenews.com/  (newer site, but not many updates lately)
http://www.space.com/

Fairly biased towards KSC reporting:
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=NEWS02
http://insideksc.com/

And we can't forget MSNBC, since that's where Jim Oberg's articles seem to
appear:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

There are likely a few others, but that's what I have bookmarked.

Jeff
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Marko Horvat - 19 Oct 2005 19:55 GMT
>> Okay, was just nosing around, where the heck did these articles come
>> from? Links?
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Jeff

And how about:

www.spacedaily.com
www.spaceflightnow.com
www.spaceref.com

Marko
Marko Horvat - 19 Oct 2005 17:49 GMT
> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
> funding, it will be a looser.

Dido.
Herb Schaltegger - 19 Oct 2005 18:04 GMT
>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
>> funding, it will be a looser.

Hey, Bboob - what's a "looser" ?

> Dido.

I know who Dido is - art-pop singer from Britain.

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Marko Horvat - 19 Oct 2005 19:11 GMT
>>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
>>> funding, it will be a looser.
>
> Hey, Bboob - what's a "looser" ?

Probably something between booser and loser.

>> Dido.
>
> I know who Dido is - art-pop singer from Britain.

And do you know who is ditto? :)
Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 20 Oct 2005 14:16 GMT
> > I know who Dido is - art-pop singer from Britain.
>
> And do you know who is ditto? :)

Yes, a character in the comic strip Hi and Lois.
Fred J. McCall - 23 Oct 2005 04:42 GMT
:>>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
:>>> funding, it will be a looser.
:>
:> Hey, Bboob - what's a "looser" ?
:
:Probably something between booser and loser.

Ok, now all we need to know is what 'booser' is.

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Bob Haller - 23 Oct 2005 05:57 GMT
make jokes about looser.....

ignore the issue being discussed...
Fred J. McCall - 23 Oct 2005 04:41 GMT
:>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
:>> funding, it will be a looser.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:
:I know who Dido is - art-pop singer from Britain.

I thought it was a woodworking tool.

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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 26 Oct 2005 14:16 GMT
> :>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
> :>> funding, it will be a looser.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I thought it was a woodworking tool.

That's dado.
Dale - 26 Oct 2005 14:32 GMT
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:16:29 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

>> :>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
>> :>> funding, it will be a looser.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> I thought it was a woodworking tool.
>That's dado.

Dado come and me wanna go home....
Fred J. McCall - 26 Oct 2005 15:03 GMT
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:

:> :>> In all honesty, if the shuttle replacement doesnt have adquate
:> :>> funding, it will be a looser.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:
:That's dado.

I thought that was a school of artwork based on defying intellectual
analysis of message....

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Marko Horvat - 26 Oct 2005 16:08 GMT
> I thought that was a school of artwork based on defying intellectual
> analysis of message....

OK boys and that about
Bush says about the shuttle....and that the White House would not be all
that upset if it never flew again.

or you don't care much about Bush and the Shuttle as one might be led to
believe?
Jorge R. Frank - 26 Oct 2005 23:19 GMT
"Marko Horvat" <marko@somewhereovertherainbow.hr> wrote in news:djo662$9b$1
@ss405.t-com.hr:

>> I thought that was a school of artwork based on defying intellectual
>> analysis of message....
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> or you don't care much about Bush and the Shuttle as one might be led to
> believe?

Not really. Because the original story wasn't even "Bush said about the
shuttle...". It was "Keith Cowing said that some unnamed sources said that
Mike Griffin said that Andrew Card said that Bush said about the
shuttle...". With no corroboration directly from Griffin or Card, let alone
Bush. Sometimes NASA Watch breaks stories that get picked up by the
mainstream media... but this one didn't, and for good reason. No legitimate
journalist would publish such a poorly sourced, fifth-hand account.

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Greg D. Moore (Strider) - 27 Oct 2005 01:59 GMT
> "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I thought that was a school of artwork based on defying intellectual
> analysis of message....

Sorta like this discussion. :-)
rk - 19 Oct 2005 05:50 GMT
> I am not impressed with this Griffin guy.

Just speculation, but I doubt that you would impress him at all.

> The shuttle may not be the cheapest way to space. It may have fragiles
> areas, but NASA should prove its capability to tackle those problems. If
> it simply abandons projects at the first sign of trouble, NASA will
> never go anywhere.

Mezei, here's a little hint for you: Shuttles have been flying into and out of
space (not counting ALT flights) for almost 25 years.  So, with foam being an
issue for over two decades and over 100 flights, I wouldn't call this
abandoning a project at the first sign of trouble.

The vehicles are old (see CAIB recommendation on recertification by 2010 which
you always wave away with your one free arm).  

The question is not whether issues can be addressed and eliminated but whether
or not it makes sense to do that or move on to the next vehicle or vehicles.

> Sounds to me like the guy is not competant and prefers to shut down NASA
> instead of taking on the challenges of making NASA work.

Mezei, I don't think you're competent.  Perhaps you can tell us about your
education and experience and competencies in aerospace and then we can compare
them to Dr. Griffin's.

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Bob Haller - 19 Oct 2005 11:12 GMT
All articles are from nasawatch links. http://www.nasawatch.com

Building a new system on the cheap isnt a good idea, thats the root of
many shuttle troubles.

If the shuttle had launch boost escape, liquid flyback booster, and a
cargo version for heavy lift, all part of the original shuttle specs,
dropped to save devlopment money......

its highly likely it wouldnt be scheduled for retirement..
Marko Horvat - 19 Oct 2005 17:52 GMT
> All articles are from nasawatch links. http://www.nasawatch.com
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> its highly likely it wouldnt be scheduled for retirement..

Maybe, but all those things are nearly completely impossible on a winged
vehicle hitching a tandem ride into space.
Bob Haller - 20 Oct 2005 14:26 GMT
<Maybe, but all those things are nearly completely impossible on a
winged
vehicle hitching a tandem ride into space>

Ditch the solids, go with liquid flyback booster.

Add launch boost escape, by making the crew compartment detchable on a
bad day. Accept the weight penalty, because you also have a....

Unmanned cargo only version, that lacks the crew compartment, and all
those consumables needed for carrying people. For the really heavy
loads.

All of these were part of the original specs, and would of made for a
better station too.

Launched by shuttle C, more spacious, fully equipped on launch,
requiring less day to day service on station.

add transhab, and were set....

the bad decisions of 30 years ago continue to haunt us today...
Marko Horvat - 19 Oct 2005 17:49 GMT
> If NASA is not able to complete the job of building the station, if it
> is unwilling to fly the shuttle 19 more flights, then why should
> anyone trust NASA to be able to complete that mythical CEV ?

CEV has to be sustainable.

This is of the paramount importance.

If CEV launches can be sustained over a long period of time than it will
have a true merit, it will be useful, it will be reliable.

Only when NASA will be able to launch CEV whenever and at will, it will be
possible to say that the CEV project has been a success.

This is perhaps the only reason why Soyuz is considered successful. It is
not very capable, nor trendy, nor pretty but it is a true workhorse. And for
what is worth it's doing its job.
Bob Haller - 25 Oct 2005 02:36 GMT
NASA plans for tight budget florida today

If $5B request isn't met, agency may cut shifts or its work force

BY TODD HALVORSON
and JOHN KELLY
Cutting back. Shuttle Atlantis rolls into the Vehicle Assembly Building
in this 2001 photo. NASA is working on a backup plan that would cut the
number of flights to the International Space Station. FLORIDA TODAY
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CAPE CANAVERAL - NASA does not have enough money to finish building the
International Space Station, and the agency is studying more cuts in
the number of shuttle flights as well as the Kennedy Space Center work
force.

The space agency has asked the White House for up to $5 billion more
for its budget between now and 2010. If approved, the agency would be
able to fly 18 shuttle missions to the space station and one repair
flight to the Hubble Space Telescope.

NASA Administrator Mike Griffin has ordered deputies to craft a backup
plan that would cut shuttle flights by an unspecified amount. Some
options potentially could trigger thousands of layoffs at KSC.

"It is incumbent on us to develop an executable option, or face the
risk of a less desirable option being imposed upon us," Griffin wrote
to space operations chief Bill Gerstenmaier in an Oct. 4 memo obtained
by FLORIDA TODAY.

Specifically, Griffin instructed Gerstenmaier to estimate how much
money could be saved and how many jobs could be cut if KSC prepared one
shuttle at a time for launch instead of working on all three orbiters
simultaneously.

The work likely would be done in a single shift, rather than two or
three. Only one shuttle hangar would be fully operational, and work in
the Vehicle Assembly Building would be limited to a single external
tank and solid rocket booster set.

It's not known how many employees it will take to process one shuttle
at a time. It is difficult to determine because safety checks and other
systems would have to remain in place, regardless of the number being
processed.

"You would only really need one team of people working one shift to do
that work," said Jim Banke, vice president of Florida operations for
the Space Foundation. "You would not necessarily need to have full-up
teams at each hangar or every facility that supports operating a whole
fleet."

The backup planning will allow Griffin to show the White House's Office
of Management and Budget options, and the implications for each, as the
Bush administration prepares its 2007 spending proposal for NASA and
the rest of the federal government.

Difficult task

No decisions have been made. The president's next five-year spending
plan is not due to be presented to Congress until February. NASA and
the White House budget writers declined to comment on their internal
discussions about shuttle funding.

However, the agency faces a difficult political environment with people
in Washington looking for ways to offset the growing costs of the war
in Iraq and hurricane reconstruction. And, in recent months, the OMB
has asked NASA for detailed information about cost-saving options
ranging from fewer shuttle flights to retiring the orbiters now instead
of waiting until 2010.

NASA's shuttle program, which currently employs about 14,500 people at
KSC, already has estimated it could fly no more than two or three
missions a year, rather than the four or five currently planned.

One of the hardest hit by any cutback could be the private company that
operates the shuttle fleet on a day-to-day basis, United Space
Alliance. The company, a Boeing-Lockheed Martin partnership which
employs about 6,500 people at the space center, said it has no
near-term plans for layoffs. The company does expect the work force to
shrink as NASA retires the shuttle orbiters and moves on to moon
missions, but it still aims to absorb most of those job cuts through
normal retirements and departures.

"We have not and are not actively considering any layoffs at USA based
on current plans and budgets," company spokesman Jeff Carr said. "We
don't have any reason not to fully expect a reasonable and manageable
solution to the budget challenges that NASA is facing in the out
years."

Slowing shuttle processing to one at a time would accelerate job
reductions at KSC that many expected to happen slowly over five or six
years.

"It's clearly understood that there is going to be a reduction in the
work force as we move away from the space shuttle era and into the Crew
Exploration Vehicle era," Banke said. "What happens in serial
processing is that the work force reduction would happen a lot sooner."

Budget planning

NASA and the OMB now are working on the agency's budget for 2007 and
four subsequent years. A proposal that would cover 19 shuttle missions
was submitted to the OMB, but it is between $3 billion and $5 billion
more than the current White House budget guidelines. OMB asked for a
separate proposal that would keep NASA within the existing five-year
shuttle budget projections.

NASA's budget this year is $16.2 billion. Projections mapped out in
2004 show yearly shuttle costs dropping from $4.5 billion this year to
$2.4 billion in 2010. But the projected shuttle cost reductions did not
materialize.

Science missions

The fiscal crisis is raising questions about the country's ability to
fulfill commitments to launch science labs and other station components
that Russia, Europe, Japan and Canada have spent billions of dollars
and decades developing.

"This is an important test of the political will of the United States
to be a responsible leader in international space affairs," said John
Logsdon, director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington
University in Washington. "It would be unfortunate if the United States
walked away from its past international commitments as it begins its
journey of space exploration."

In an earlier reduction of flights, the agency axed a Japanese-built
centrifuge module and a Russian electrical power tower. And NASA cut
its own plans for a crew quarters module and an American-built rescue
vehicle.

Griffin's instructions to deputies working on the shuttle budget backup
plan is to place high priority on launching remaining international
partner components, such as the European and Japanese science
laboratories, to avoid reneging on commitments President Bush has said
the U.S. will keep.

"Of course we are concerned that there might be a further change of
plans," said Alan Thirkettle, head of the European Space Agency's human
spaceflight program. "And we have established our strategy accordingly
so that we can react to any potential new scenario."

Contact Kelly at 242-3660 or jkelly@flatoday.net
 
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