Space Forum / Shuttle / September 2005

I hope we get to mars in my lifetime. I kinda doubt it, since I am 48:(

But if the program gets canned as I suspect every Bush idea will I have
hopes for a aggreasive robotic program.

I just hope miss management doesnt get the entire NASA canned, by say
run away costs and preventable astronaut deaths

Ray,
How about community service for life, plus retroactive payback of all
their benefits and retirement for the past four decades that should
just about cover for their crimes against humanity. The bulk (90%) of
NASA properties could be utilized for housing the poor and of the
middle class recently made poor if not dead by way of actions and/or
inactions taken GW Bush.

Paul F. Dietz offered a thought;

It's actually much lower than you'd think. It's being artificially
infomercial sustained by mostly Jewish and Catholic gold because, by
far they have the most at risk. Even within America the dollar isn't
worth half of what it was as of five years ago, not to us American
minions and certainly not to foreign customerts and investors.

Wars (hot or cold, phony or otherwise) breeds profits and
disproportionately lesser physical/bodily risk for the wealthy that
normally have those tax avoidance methods of keeping their loot out of
sight and thus out of mind, and as such it always taking that horrific
toll directly from the middle class and poor without a stitch of
remorse.
~

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.

Katrina might just change the financial picture.  Its going to cost
billions and billions (God bless Carl Sagan) to restore tens of thousands
of shacks to their former glory.  And if the President's government keeps
handing out debit cards for Gucci bags, even billions and billions aren't
going to rebuild the infrastructure and all that good stuff.

The best theory I've heard so far is take down a Colorado 14'er and
transport all the dirt to the Big Easy to raise it about twelve feet above
sea level.  Then it can't flood again in the next 10,000 years.

The ISS, or something like it, in low earth orbit
accessed from the U.S. by CEV.  Possible circumlunar
manned flights using the same hardware, to keep an
eye on the moon walkers from China.  A robotic
planetary exploration program.  

- Ed Kyle

If cancelled, be for sure, then it will be Jupiter, Saturn and Alpha
Centauri which will be again underfunded and, of course, cancelled and go on
in that way "ad infinitum".

They *won't*, because it would be cut as well.

If our moon, Mars and beyond are canceled; what next for NASA?
There's always Venus that gets as nearby as 100 fold that of our moon,
and it certainly has by far the most viable aerobreaking worthy
atmosphere to start off with.

Even without the observationology of my interpreting upon what 36
reaffirming 8-bit looks per pixel has suggested as being most likely
artificial and thus indicating the workmanship of locals or perhaps ETs
as having been camping out on Venus, plus indicating upon many other
extremely interesting items of natural formations and active fluid/mud
like flows that would have made their site selection more desirable
than not, whereas it seems the growing amounts of so much other
hard-science and of applying the regular laws of physics are what's
giving Venus it's greatest potential of having supported other life
that's natural as well as otherwise the possibility of ET/imported
forms of intelligent life.

Of whatever's pressure, even if that's 100 bar isn't in of itself
insurmountable to well known forms of life as coexisting here upon
Earth. Even humans can eventually adapt to our surviving within such
extreme pressure without applied physiological technology, other than
for our having to artificially create the pressurized atmospheric cell
environment in the first place, that which should only required an O2
basis of not more than 1% and the remainder as 99% H2.

Of whatever's temperature isn't all that insurmountable for three
reasons. 1) temperature is directly related to pressure, in that the
greater the pressure the greater the amount of heat that life can
survive within. 2) even though there's a limit as to what human
tissue/cells can take as heat, exoskeletals are not nearly as limited
and, if need be a insulation barrier of local basalt and/or silica
micro-balloons would become more than accommodating as for creating the
necessary R-Factor of providing a thermal isolation formula of a viable
conductive and even as a radiated heat barrier. 3) thermal energy
heat-exchanging isn't the least bit technologically limited, especially
within such a nicely conductive mode of mostly dry CO2 and, all other
factors seem perfectly surmountable via evolution and/or applied
technology. This isn't to say that where-is as-is Venus is directly
suitable for us humans, especially the dumb and dumber portions of
humanity that still can't seem to tie their own shoe laces without
going absolutely postal over something.

Of course, if any of this is being suggested to the all-knowing usenet
gangs of mostly social/religious and political correctness, as then
nothing of science, physics and especially of observationology matters
because, apparently it just might otherwise rock a few too many of
their precious mainstream status quo boats, and we simply can't have
that much good ship LOLLIPOP rocking no matters what the consequences.
Thus only a flat Earth that's populated by extremely bigoted and
otherwise brown-nosed folks as having been surrounded by nothing but
their God's eye candy is permitted.

To put this into yet another perspective;
It seems that we humans have become the Earthly sort of ETs that have
been out and about as taking our technological first-hand and mostly
robotic look-sees at whatever other planets, moons and a few
meteor/asteroids have to offer, thus if we can manage to accomplish
such within the extremely limited scope of our physics and science,
then it's entirely possible that other life as having been much older
and thus most likely of some intellectual level of expertise better off
than our's, as having been capable of their going to/from the sorts of
places that seem inaccessible as well as unlivable for our kind seems
perfectly doable, that is unless you're another Godless anti-ET bigot
that can't accept change. What's unfortunate about the sorts of mutated
life via incest cloning upon this Earth is that our limited
understanding of what's even situated upon Earth is staggering to say
the least, in that we don't seem to even know our own physiology well
enough to save our own souls, much less appreciate and support other
more complex forms of mature life that has up until our arrival
outlived humanity by millions of years in spite of their having only
their DNA/RNA smarts of applied physics and thus their internal
biological programmed intellegence as to account for their survival.
Perhaps at some future time we humans well evolve into becoming born
with all of our physical skills and intelligence, simply emerge as
intellectually whole and thereby ready to work efficiently and
diligently at a given task without a stitch of learned arrogance,
bigotry and/or greed outside of whatever it takes for managing our
basic survival as a collective whole. Though as it is, we're rather
easily molded by the framework that's established by others, programmed
into becoming everything from serial killers to the likes of LLPOF
warlords as having been running humanity amuck, whereas few have
managed to escape being formally assimilated into the human borg like
collective of what's continually taking advantage of so many others in
order to benefit so few.

It seems we've created our own worse enemies and subsequently we've
turned ourselves into various forms of intellectual as well as
biological bounty hunters and somewhat arrogant opportunest as a
result, including the sport of hunting down whatever intellect that's
the least bit outside the box, and otherwise having pointed out the
likes of Cathars and Jesus Christ so that their elimination could be
accommodated via some self proclaimed and thus remorseless authority
that's supposedly upon our bigoted and greedy behalf, and then some of
us wonder why ETs are keeping a safe distance.

If you could imagine having been cosmetically altered so as to look,
dress and act the part of a visiting ET that had arrived upon Earth,
chances are you'd last all of a day before getting hunted down,
terminated or otherwise sequestered and dissected nearly on the spot.
And by the way, ETs that should be at least as smart if not a whole lot
smarter than us humans certainly do NOT have to remotely look like us
humans, as whatever shape and form are somewhat irrelevant factors with
regard to ET or even local intelligence. If we humans are as smart as
it gets, now you're taking serious trouble in River City, whereas
there's nothing other than more of the same wars upon wars based almost
entirely upon anything but the truth. We hardly have the resources for
sustaining the sorts of phony baloney wars we've created thus far, and
the Earth simply isn't getting any bigger, in fact Earth for humanity
has been shrinking by measurable factors and at the same time requiring
a greater amount of artificial energy and other resources per soul at
that.

Without the viable to/from capability of what the lunar space elevator
and thus access to the energy resources of our moon has to behold,
chances are we're not going to have whatever it'll take for defending
our Earth from ourselves, much less from invading ET's that have long
since pillaged and raped their home worlds to the point of no return if
not total demise (Mars gives us a reasonably close look-see at what the
worse outcome might involve if we manage to extract the last joule of
energy from Earth).

If our moon and that of Venus offers viable alternatives as to
improving our quality of life while otherwise moderating our global
suffering and, if those two external globes open other doors so that
our Earthly ET capability can grow and expand, then so be it. However,
if the likes of this usenet that has a license to kill can't even
manage to cope with the honest prospects of what's entirely possible,
then we're entirely up against a firery wall that offers no possible
redemption or the slightest amount of remorse for humanity, and as such
we more than deserve the consequences of our actions as well as from
our inactions that have long since contributed to the ongoing
collateral damage and demise of humanity.

Without accepting change and without accepting the truth there's no
hope of our long term survival, at least not for the lower 99.9% of
humanity that's having to perform as brown-nosed minions to the upper
most 0.1%. Clearly the rich have been getting richer and the poor
becoming less than worthy of being allowed to live much less prosper.
For those of you looking for whatever can be taken out-of-context just
so you can avoid the truth by pointing and smirking like our resident
warlord(GW Bush), be my guest.

For those the least bit interested in whatever else others and myself
have had to say all along, stay tuned in and/or aligned with the
program of sending us your moral and whatever other support so that our
lose-cannons and butt-kickings can become even more effective.
Donations of technology or gifts of cold hard cash are certainly
welcome and entirely legal as long as I've acknowledged my having
received such, or perhaps taking the "high standards and
accountability" road of our "so what's the difference" warlord policy
and entirely like the oil/energy ENRON sorts of dealings having
involved GW Bush, whereas I wont tell if you don't tell can also be
arranged. If I had a minion staff as perhaps a cloak of a certified
ministry and offshore bank of my ET God, then I could even apply for
some of the matching funds and/or grants being forked out by our
resident warlord(GW Bush) himself, and as such I'd just have to bet
that would push a few more of those *do NOT push* bigotry-R-us buttons.

Send your support directly to my attention: 4410 SE Nelson Rd. Olalla
WA 98359-8517 or just call: (253) 8576061 and I'll put your name along
with others as listed on my lose-cannon notch/kill plate.
~

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.