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Space Forum / Shuttle / August 2005Light plane airspace
It is reported that a light plane got within 20 miles of the Shuttle just before launch. The plane was intercepted by F 16 and then landed, the pilot then " ran away " disappearo ", " vanished " , Hello there America. A plane gets within 20 miles of the shuttle and the pilot disappears. >It is reported that a light plane got within 20 miles of the Shuttle just >before launch. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >A plane gets within 20 miles of the shuttle and the pilot disappears. There's a lesson in this for you. Dale I'm not surprised he/she disappeared, but I suppose the people who run the airfield of departure, know who it was. Brian  SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > It is reported that a light plane got within 20 miles of the Shuttle just > before launch. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > A plane gets within 20 miles of the shuttle and the pilot disappears. Then why has he or she not been apprehended. > I'm not surprised he/she disappeared, but I suppose the people who run the > airfield of departure, know who it was. > > Brian ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________ > > It is reported that a light plane got within 20 miles of the Shuttle just > > before launch. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > A plane gets within 20 miles of the shuttle and the pilot disappears. >Then why has he or she not been apprehended. Well, YOU'RE still on the loose! Sometimes apprehension/sedation/capture takes a little while. Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in controlled air space just before a Shuttle launch. And there is no urgency to find the person, hello > >Then why has he or she not been apprehended. > > Well, YOU'RE still on the loose! Sometimes > apprehension/sedation/capture takes a little while. > Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in controlled > air space just before a Shuttle launch. > And there is no urgency to find the person, hello Probably some dumbass in a C150. Who cares. ------------------------------------------------------ DW What if he crashed it in to the Shuttle, would you care then > > Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in controlled > > air space just before a Shuttle launch. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ------------------------------------------------------ > DW >> > Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in > controlled [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> What if he crashed it in to the Shuttle, would you care then Good god quit top posting. I live in reality. That won't happen post 9/11. But please give it a try, your fellow Usenet posters will appreciate the peace and quit. ------------------------------------------------------- DW You live in reality, it wont happen post 9/11, did you not see what happened in London by a bunch of amateur, yes amateurs. Get your head out of the sand and join the real World you purport to live in. > >> > Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in > > controlled [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ------------------------------------------------------- > DW >> >> > Whoever it was was not trying to steal a car, he was flying in >> > controlled [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Get your head out of the sand and join the real World you purport to live > in. I fixed your top post...AGAIN. This will be my last reply to you until you can answer a thread without top posting. Well first off if racial profiling was legal and the ACLU would die a gruesome death a lot of the BS in this country (and abroad) could be cleaned up real fast, patting down 80 year old white ladies while letting some Middle Eastern j.rkoff in his mid-twenties clutching a Koran hop skip and jump through airport security makes absolutely no sense. Little old ladies with walkers didn't crash planes into buildings on 9/11. So it comes down to where you plan on carrying out your attack, high level targets like the space shuttle the day of launch would be harder to get to than Ft Knox. I don't care if the plane broke into the ADIZ or not. Planes break through the DC ADIZ all the time but have F16's meet them in a matter of minutes without getting close enough to a "target" to matter. You can keep spinning your fictional yarns all you want but that doesn't make them possible. Comparing blowing up a bus or a subway with flying a plane into the shuttle is like comparing apples to oranges. Any nutjob religious whacko could strap a bomb to their person and blow up a crowd at the mall or ball game, that takes no brains. ----------------------------------------------------- DW >What if he crashed it in to the Shuttle, would you care then A doofus in a Cessna 20 miles away strays into restricted airspace probably without knowing it.....job one is to get the plane down which they did. Catching him will come, but there's no harm he can do now. Do you know what "top posting" is? It's been mentioned to you plenty of times, but you keep doing it either out of ignorance or brazen rebellion and total disregard for the mores of this particular segment of society. You're filling up the limited reserves of killfiles world-wide. Stop it. Why did he guy run away then > >What if he crashed it in to the Shuttle, would you care then > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of society. You're filling up the limited reserves of killfiles > world-wide. Stop it. Carol Singer schrieb: > Why did he guy run away then C'mon, Carol! It either was a macho test and he knew he would get into trouble, or it was accidental and he was terrified from being brought down by a fighter jet. Guess what would you do in a situation like that? Set the windows, pull your driving permit and quick-check your make-up? Why do teenagers escape their crashed cars? - Carsten If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to fear so why run after the plane had landed. Teenagers running away now that's another story, most are on drugs or drunk have taken their parents car so have a reason to run, so its not the correct analogy. > Carol Singer schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Carsten Carol Singer schrieb: > If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to fear so why run after the > plane had landed. Now, where and how have you been raised, Carol? - Carsten >If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to fear so why run after the >plane had landed. > >Teenagers running away now that's another story, most are on drugs or drunk >have taken their parents car so have a reason to run, so its not the correct >analogy. So how do you know that this pilot didn't get a little drunk, borrow a plane from his flying club without permission (just to get a look at the shuttle), and realize what a spot he was in after he sobered up? As for running away, who knows why he ran? Why did that Brazilian guy run from the police in London? The only thing he was guilty of AFAIK was wearing an overcoat. In each case, it would have been smarter IMO not to run. > [...] > As for running away, who knows why he ran? The amazingly broad powers of the patriot act spring to mind. > Why did that Brazilian guy run from the police in London? The only > thing he was guilty of AFAIK was wearing an overcoat. Actualy, wearing a large and bulky overcoat[1] on reasonably warm weather [2] (by british standards anyway) right after the botched bombings[3], being an illegal alien[4] and, topping it off, running from the police[5] and into the subway[6]. > In each case, it would have been smarter IMO not to run. In hindsight, yes. However, we're talking about a brazilian being told to stop by a bunch of civilian dressed guys. If he thought they were policeman, he had reason to flee. If he thought they were robbers (remmember the crime rate on some brazilian cities), he had every reason to flee. 1 - Looks the same as a suicide bomber packed up and ready to go. 2 - Making the overcoat suspicious to the locals. 3 - Everybody's on edge. 4 - Hence with a reason to evade authority. 5 - People he had reasons to avoid. See 4. 6 - Target of the previous bombings, which coupled with 1,2,3 and 5 got too many people on a position to shoot or find out the hard way if he had a bomb or not. A sad state of affairs. I can see why he reacted the way he did, and I can also see why the police reacted the way they did. SignatureDoing AIX support was the most monty-pythonesque activity available at the time. Eagerly awaiting my thin chocolat mint. > A sad state of affairs. I can see why he reacted the way he did, and I can > also see why the police reacted the way they did. From a source I have in the British press, this guy also had the misfortune of being befriended by some folks with alleged connections with Al Qaeda, one of whom may have been using documents with this guy's name on them. In short, he may have been a patsy. Signature"Fame may be fleeting but obscurity is forever." ~Anonymous "I believe as little as possible and know as much as I can." ~Todd Stuart Phillips <www.angryherb.net> >> Why did that Brazilian guy run from the police in London? The only >> thing he was guilty of AFAIK was wearing an overcoat. > > Actualy, wearing a large and bulky overcoat[1] [...] running from the police[5] > and into the subway[6]. You need to do more research. The "large and bulky overcoat" turns out to be a denim jacket. "running from the police" turns out to be "walked slowly" and even taking time to buy a newspaper. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/18/AR2005081801523.html http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/17/police.shooting/?section=cnn_topstories And thanks ever so much for setting followups to alt.dev.null. Apparently you want the final word on anything you post. > > [...] > > As for running away, who knows why he ran? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > A sad state of affairs. I can see why he reacted the way he did, and I can > also see why the police reacted the way they did. Well, what makes it more interesting is that the "bulky coat" turned out to be a denim jacket, Menezes walked into the subway station through a normal turnstile instead of being chased into the subway station and jumping turnstiles, Menezes was sitting down when he was pinned into his seat by one of the plainclothes officers, rather than being tackled in the aisle by uniformed officers, then as the officer who had him pinned looked on another officer ran up, put his gun to Menezes' head and pulled the trigger eight times at point blank range while the first officer held Menezes pinned into his seat. Seven of the bullets entered Menezes' brain and killed him instantly, an eighth bullet went into Menezes shoulder. This was a pure execution, nothing more. The only people who did anything wrong here, anything wrong at all, were the officers who murdered Menezes. BTW, here's an article with a picture of Menezes' body, in a denim jacket, just after he was executed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1550815,00.html At what point do we, the supposed civilized people, become terrorists? I would suggest that point is now. How many people in Britain who happen to look non-English are living in terror of being executed like Menezes? If there is only one, then the definition of terrorism applies. Personally I hope the British government is forced to not only make a full and public apology for this murder, but that they are also forced to make a one billion pound payout to the family of Menezes. JazzMan Signature********************************************************** Please reply to jsavage"at"airmail.net. Curse those darned bulk e-mailers! ********************************************************** "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry ********************************************************** JazzMan posted-- >here's an article with a picture of >Menezes' body, in a denim jacket, just after he was executed: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1550815,00.html Lousy photo. Cannot see his head in picture. Do you have a better one or does the *freedom of the press* not allow the full truth to be seen by the public? |
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