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John Schutkeker - 27 Jul 2005 21:19 GMT
This segment was broadcast on the NPR show "This American Life," last
weekend.  The producer has found a crank claiming to have disproven the
theory of relativity, and the show brilliantly examines who is the crank
and what is going through his head.  There is also a brief mention of
Archimedes Plutonium.

The biggest surprise for me was that they found a physicist willing to read
the crank's analysis and discuss it with him.

The important segment starts at time 31:02.

http://www.thislife.org/ra/293.ram
Carol Singer - 27 Jul 2005 21:44 GMT
Crank, then answer this baby.

What is the Sun made of yes its supposed to be a gas,  which we have
believed since Galileo saw sunspots moving at different rates across the
Sun.

Now we are told in the past few weeks that the Sun actually has a solid core
and not a total gas.

Now who is the crank Galileo or the guy who has now proved that the Sun is
not a gas but part solid

> This segment was broadcast on the NPR show "This American Life," last
> weekend.  The producer has found a crank claiming to have disproven the
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>
> http://www.thislife.org/ra/293.ram
Herb Schaltegger - 27 Jul 2005 22:02 GMT
> Now who is the crank Galileo or the guy who has now proved that the Sun is
> not a gas but part solid

I think your message demonstrates the difference quite nicely.  Thanks,
but that's enough of you.

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Jonathan Silverlight - 27 Jul 2005 22:08 GMT
>> This segment was broadcast on the NPR show "This American Life," last
>> weekend.  The producer has found a crank claiming to have disproven the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>> http://www.thislife.org/ra/293.ram

Top posting fixed. Off topic posting tolerated :-)

>Crank, then answer this baby.
>
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>Now we are told in the past few weeks that the Sun actually has a solid core
>and not a total gas.

Told? By whom? A crank, methinks :-) Reference, please.

>Now who is the crank Galileo or the guy who has now proved that the Sun is
>not a gas but part solid

See above.
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John Schutkeker - 29 Jul 2005 00:21 GMT
> Top posting fixed. Off topic posting tolerated :-)

What is "top posting"?
Dr. P. Quackenbush - 28 Jul 2005 03:04 GMT
> Crank, then answer this baby.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Now who is the crank Galileo or the guy who has now proved that the Sun is
> not a gas but part solid

The crank is this case would be you.
Carol Singer - 28 Jul 2005 08:28 GMT
You are the crank as you don't believe me.
Do a google search and find out for yourself unless that's to difficult for
you.

> > Crank, then answer this baby.
> >
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>
> The crank is this case would be you.
Jonathan Silverlight - 28 Jul 2005 18:41 GMT
>You are the crank as you don't believe me.
>Do a google search and find out for yourself unless that's to difficult for
>you.

The onus is always on the person making the claim to prove it, and you
came into this thread with your idea from some web site. So why should
I?
BTW, some people will kill file you just for top posting, so show me why
I shouldn't do likewise.
a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 28 Jul 2005 08:05 GMT
> This segment was broadcast on the NPR show "This American Life," last
> weekend.  The producer has found a crank claiming to have disproven the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://www.thislife.org/ra/293.ram

Yes I was directed to listen to this also. I did not catch the name of
the editor author who did it. I did catch the name of "Bob" the
electrician the main subject of the piece and where John Baez adds a
few words and the mention of Abian and the mention of Ludwig von
Plutonium.

This radio program is a repeat of Discover magazine some years back who
mentioned my name.

Why is it so easy, so very easy for the editors of Discover magazine to
understand the Atom Totality theory and yet darn near impossible for
them to understand that a person can have a legal name of Archimedes
Plutonium?

Why is it so difficult for the editor of this talk show on NPR radio to
understand that my name is not Ludwig von Plutonium but is really
Archimedes Plutonium. John Baez can comprehend page for page the
Feynman Lectures in Physics 3 volume set but cannot comprehend that a
human can have a legal name of Archimedes Plutonium. Bob the
electrician can better understand his error of mixing up different
terms such as momentum, energy, force but not able to understand that a
human can have a legal name of Archimedes Plutonium.

I am happy. Happy that the editors of Discover magazine find the Atom
Totality theory more easy to comprehend, to understand, to have a
mental picture of the theory and can tell their friends and neighbors
what the theory is, yet never in a million years be able to get my
correct name communicated.

That the spokesman at NPR for this segment has an easier time of
straightening out misconceptions of E equals m c squared than he has
time to straighten out his conception of what my name is.

John Baez name is not Ludwig von Baez. And my name is not Ludwig
Plutonium or Ludwig von Plutonium but is Archimedes Plutonium.

It is a testament to the Atom Totality theory that people when they
first learn of it, have an easier time of understanding the theory, yet
have an impenetrable mind block in understanding that a person can have
a name of Archimedes Plutonium.

Common people, laypersons, lay editors of NPR and Discover magazine can
fathom the theory of the Atom Totality but they seem to hit a mind-bump
or mind-block in that my name is truly Archimedes Plutonium.

NPR should not have mentioned in a bad light that of Alexander Abian,
focusing on some of his humour posts where Abian was not really serious
but found the Internet as a avenue of talk. Abian is deceased and in
fairness if you want to say something bad about Abian you should say
something good about Abian. History will probably show that the posts
to the Internet made by Abian are much more worthwhile and fun to read
than any and all posts made by John Baez to the Internet.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 28 Jul 2005 08:56 GMT
I had a second listen to this radio program by NPR and found out that
the journalist not only got my name wrong but even the theory of the
Atom Totality wrong.

The journalist is Robert Andrew Powell and the main subject is Bob
Barrons, please excuse any spelling errors.

Mr. Powell said my name is Ludwig von Plutonium. This is false. My
name, legally, is Archimedes Plutonium.

Mr. Powell said of the Atom Totality Theory and I quote him: "solar
system consists of a single radioactive atom".  This is utterly
nonsense also. I do not mind when people argue against me, debate
against me or counter against me, as long as they understand what it is
I am saying in the first place.

Atom Totality Theory concerns all of the Universe and not just the
solar-system. That the entire Universe is one atom for which the solar
system is a tiny speck of the electron dot cloud.

Nearly every one of my posts ends with the statement in the signature
block:

whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

So how does Mr. Powell mess up so much and so badly.

There was a philosopher, I think it was Kant, who said he never minded
going into a argument over an idea, so long as both parties understood
what the idea was in the first place.

So I take back my first post to this thread where it says that NPR
announcers have an easier time of understanding the Atom Totality
theory than they understand that a human can have a name of Archimedes
Plutonium. Apparently Mr. Powell errored on both.

Did Mr. Powell ever see what an electron looks like? Those
electron-dot-clouds. Tiny dots of white floating around a nucleus.
Well, one of those tiny dots of white is the Milky Way galaxy which
contains the solar system. That is the Atom Totality theory.

At least the editors of Discover magazine got the Atom Totality theory
comprehended even though they botched my name. Apparently NPR of Robert
Andrew Powell messed up on everything concerning me. Messed up on my
name. Messed up on the theory.

I think NPR and Mr. Powell owe it to me to air another program that
corrects those mistakes. Similar to if the New York Times had messed up
on my name and theory they would be obligated to print a correction.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
CWatters - 28 Jul 2005 11:57 GMT
> Why is it so difficult for the editor of this talk show on NPR radio to
> understand that my name is not Ludwig von Plutonium but is really
> Archimedes Plutonium.

Perhaps they only did minimal research? There are several sites that say you
were born Ludwig Poehlmann and these quote from (but don't link to) an
"autobiography" ....

Example..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Plutonium

"According to an autobiography he posted to Usenet in the 1990s, Plutonium
was born with the name Ludwig Poehlmann in Arzberg, Germany. His family came
to the United States of America in his youth, settling near Cincinnati,
Ohio. Ludwig was adopted in his teens by a local real-estate investor named
Willis Hansen, and his name was changed to Ludwig Hansen.
John Schutkeker - 28 Jul 2005 14:39 GMT
"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote in news:2S2Ge.155520
$m25.8296543@phobos.telenet-ops.be:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Plutonium

I like the parts where he proves Fermat's Last Theorem wrong, says that
infinity=0, makes a numerical representation of infinity, and says that God
is Pu 231.

It's better than reading Heinlein!
a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 28 Jul 2005 18:00 GMT
Yes, well, Discover magazine had my name botched also but Discover
magazine did not botch or mess up the theory of the Atom Totality. I
can overlook a botching of my name and even namecalling such as crank
or crackpot.

But I can not overlook the fact that NPR radio of Robert Andrew Powell,
a journalist or so he claims to be a journalist, does not understand
the theory, misrepresents the theory and distorts the theory so badly
as to misrepresent myself and the theory.

Just this week John Sefton wanted to consider galaxies as atoms with
their centers as a proton vortex. Well that is not the Atom Totality
theory. And Robert Powell on radio says of the theory "solar system
consists of a single radioactive atom." Which again is not the Atom
Totality theory and a gross misrepresentation.

People like this want to focus on psychology and how they have a low
opinion of other people and what is on the tip of their minds is not
the ideas of science but on their low opinion of the idea-giver and
their desire to call them a crank or crackpot.

Does Mr. Powell know or understand what the word "Totality" means? Does
he understand that a solar-system is not a totality. Likewise John
Sefton I am sure understands that a galaxy is not a totality.

So I need for Mr. Powell on some future NPR to correct his gross error.
I do not mind his low opinion of me, or of the Atom Totality Theory
once he understands it. But I do mind his public misrepresentation of
the idea. Discover magazine did not misrepresent the Atom Totality
theory and so I am not on their case. But NPR's John Powell has
misrepresented a idea for the purpose of making my character look bad.

As a philosopher, suspect it was Kant said to the effect, that he never
minded arguing or debating an idea as long as both parties understood
the idea first.

So I need Mr. Powell to make a future radio to correct this wrong.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Herb Schaltegger - 28 Jul 2005 18:15 GMT
> Yes, well, Discover magazine had my name botched also but Discover
> magazine did not botch or mess up the theory of the Atom Totality. I
> can overlook a botching of my name and even namecalling such as crank
> or crackpot.

You know, at some point even the most die-hard loon really ought to
consider that it's NOT everyone else, but that the problem really is
himself.

While you consider that, the rest of us have reality to think about.

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Math Freak - 28 Jul 2005 19:29 GMT
> Archimedes Plutonium

Everyone can tell you this, at least you're not tribal.
Even if you're wrong the damage is one head, not
thousands as is in the case of tribal creatures.

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Richard Henry - 29 Jul 2005 06:13 GMT
> > This segment was broadcast on the NPR show "This American Life," last
> > weekend.  The producer has found a crank claiming to have disproven the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> few words and the mention of Abian and the mention of Ludwig von
> Plutonium.

Listening to "Bob" was like listening to ___________ (fill in the blank with
your favorite crank).

I especially liked the part about "Help me write a book and we'll both get
rich".

I made the momentum/kinetic energy confusion error myself once, on a
first-year engineering mechanics test.  I realized the error a couple of
hours later while driving out of town for the weekend.  Slapped my forehead
and almost drove off the road.
John Schutkeker - 30 Jul 2005 22:05 GMT
> Listening to "Bob" was like listening to ___________ (fill in the
> blank with your favorite crank).

Have you listened to many cranks?

> I especially liked the part about "Help me write a book and we'll both
> get rich".

I've got an idea and some thinking to back it up, and this constitutes a
proof.  You do the math.  As if the math part isn't the proof.

I liked the part when he says, "It's just so hard it can't be true."  I
guess that we all knew that was the real reason they hate science.
Richard Henry - 30 Jul 2005 22:25 GMT
> > Listening to "Bob" was like listening to ___________ (fill in the
> > blank with your favorite crank).
>
> Have you listened to many cranks?

I occasional surf around the cable channels when I wake up for no reason in
the middle of the night.  A good hit is when I get 2 Kevin Trudeau channels
a couple of seconds apart, and flip back and forth between them.

Then there are the antagonistic "talk" show hosts...
 
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