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Ray Schmitt - 11 Nov 2004 02:09 GMT
Bob Bigelow really raised the bar on this go-round.

It's not so much getting to low earth orbit (LEO) or carrying at least 5
crew/passengers. A modified and resized version of the old 1960s Big Gemini
(Big G) might be the most direct way to go and probably could be developed
for a few hundred megabucks and flown twice before the 10 Jan 2010 deadline.
When I worked on that program in the late 1960s our baseline design
accommodated 9 crew/passengers in a spacecraft weighing about 13,000 pounds,
which is approximately the weight of the Apollo Command Module.

IMHO, the really tough (and interesting) problem is meeting the requirement
that the launch vehicle/spacecraft system be at least 80% reusable. The
shuttle is 75% reusable if you go by parts count (orbiter and 2 SRBs
reusable, ET expendable) or about 89% reusable in terms of dry weight (if
you really believe that the SRMs are truly reusable). If you believe that
the SRMs are actually almost completely remanufactured after each flight and
are not entitled to be considered reusable, then the shuttle is only about
33% reusable based on dry weight. I assume Bigelow is referring to dry
weight reusability in this requirement.

It will be interesting to see how much the competitors are willing to invest
in this competition even with the $1B carrot dangling near their noses.

Anyone out there have a slam-dunk design for an 80% reusable LV?

Later
Ray Schmitt
Derek Lyons - 13 Nov 2004 08:10 GMT
>IMHO, the really tough (and interesting) problem is meeting the requirement
>that the launch vehicle/spacecraft system be at least 80% reusable.

We don't know whether it's intended for the launcher to be reusable as
well as the spacecraft, since the wording uses the vague term
'vehicle'.

D.
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Iain Young - 13 Nov 2004 12:40 GMT
>>IMHO, the really tough (and interesting) problem is meeting the requirement
>>that the launch vehicle/spacecraft system be at least 80% reusable.
>
> We don't know whether it's intended for the launcher to be reusable as
> well as the spacecraft, since the wording uses the vague term
> 'vehicle'.

http://space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_bigelow_041108.html states
that its the spacecraft that must be no more than 20% expendable, (see
rule 6)

So I'd say the its only the spacecraft, and not the launch vehicle.

Iain
Ray Schmitt - 14 Nov 2004 17:28 GMT
> >>IMHO, the really tough (and interesting) problem is meeting the requirement
> >>that the launch vehicle/spacecraft system be at least 80% reusable.
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>
> Iain

You may be correct. If so, then it's a much easier design problem.

Few remember that the Gemini was the first "reused" spacecraft. NASA flew
the unmanned Gemini 2 test flight on 19 Jan 1965 on a sub-orbital test of
the heat shield. The Titan II LV was used. The spacecraft followed a
ballistic trajectory 86 n. mi. high and landed 1852 n. mi. downrange and
experienced heat loads higher than predicted for a nominal Gemini reentry.
The spacecraft splashed down and was recovered.

The Gemini 2 spacecraft was refurbished and reflown again by the Air Force
on 28 Oct 1966 as part of the Manned Orbiting Lab (MOL) program. The renamed
Gemini 2R was launched on a Titan III atop a simulated MOL structure. The 2R
splashed down near Ascension Island after a successful reentry but was not
recovered.

In principle, a spacecraft like Gemini could be 80% reusable assuming that
reusable and maintainable shuttle-type internal systems (avionics, GN&C,
RCS, environmental contro, etc) are used. The major non-reusable components
would be the retropack and the base heatshield. In the Big G program, we
designed that heatshield so it was relatively easy to remove in one piece
and replaced with a new or refurbished unit. IIRC this swap took less than
10 work shifts.

Later
Ray Schmitt
dave schneider - 15 Nov 2004 18:57 GMT
[...]
> In principle, a spacecraft like Gemini could be 80% reusable assuming that
> reusable and maintainable shuttle-type internal systems (avionics, GN&C,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and replaced with a new or refurbished unit. IIRC this swap took less than
> 10 work shifts.

Is that 80 manhours, or do you need a large crew working 10 shifts as a team?

/dps
Derek Lyons - 15 Nov 2004 22:19 GMT
>Few remember that the Gemini was the first "reused" spacecraft.

Didn't one Mercury ride two flights?

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Dale - 15 Nov 2004 22:55 GMT
>>Few remember that the Gemini was the first "reused" spacecraft.
>
>Didn't one Mercury ride two flights?

Maybe if you count the escape tower rockets as a launch vehicle? :)

Dale
Jeff Findley - 16 Nov 2004 16:23 GMT
> >Few remember that the Gemini was the first "reused" spacecraft.
>
> Didn't one Mercury ride two flights?

Not to my knowledge.  If it did, it didn't make it into space on both
flights, as all Mercury flights appear to have used their own capsule:

  http://aesp.nasa.okstate.edu/fieldguide/pages/mercury/index.html

Note that this list does say that LJ-5A was reused, but that was after a
launch abort, not a spaceflight.

Gemini 2 was the first spacecraft that NASA flew into space on more than one
flight.

  http://aesp.nasa.okstate.edu/fieldguide/pages/gemini/index.html

Jeff
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Derek Lyons - 15 Nov 2004 22:28 GMT
>In the Big G program, we
>designed that heatshield so it was relatively easy to remove in one piece
>and replaced with a new or refurbished unit. IIRC this swap took less than
>10 work shifts.

It's not the length of time that's the big issue, but the man hours.

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