*follow-ups set to sci.space.policy*
<AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote to far too many groups but didn't get sci.space.policy ...
> NASA has decided to euthanize a highly successful Tropical Rainfall
> Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite, just because they supposedly want to
> save $28 million to $36 million.
>
> This is a good example of how Republicans change the subject when
> presented with humane opportunities.
<big snip>
Yadda yadda yadda.
Still, I have noted a suspicious (to my mind) lack of interest in satellites
related to climate research. It implies to me that Bush is much more
afraid that what he suspects is the case will be more thoroughly proved
than he is hopeful that scientific evidence will give the 'green card' to
industry.
rk - 26 Jul 2004 13:41 GMT
> *follow-ups set to sci.space.policy*
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> thoroughly proved than he is hopeful that scientific evidence will give
> the 'green card' to industry.
It was just a political ad, probably by a plant, not by a real contributor.
It seems that Aura, Aqua, Terra, etc., were not scrapped but instead launched,
and these were not exactly low-budget projects. The GRACE twins and others
that study Earth were also launched and not scrapped. TRIANA on the other
hand ...
I don't recall the planned mission life for TRMM but believe it went well past
that.
Has moveon.org (first organization listed in the planted article) contributed
any of their $ to keeping this valuable program alive as opposed to whatever
they spend their money on?

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dave schneider - 26 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT
> <AbelMalcolm@webtv.net> wrote to far too many groups but didn't get sci.space.policy ...
> > NASA has decided to euthanize a highly successful Tropical Rainfall
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> than he is hopeful that scientific evidence will give the 'green card' to
> industry.
Even bigger yadda...who's going to take the gas can up to TRRM to
replenish the fuel tanks? It already has served a multi-year
extension of its original mission. This *was* mentioned in the press
release....
/dps
> NASA has decided to euthanize a highly successful Tropical Rainfall
> Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite, just because they supposedly want to
> save $28 million to $36 million.
>
> This is a good example of how Republicans change the subject when
> presented with humane opportunities.
It was put on orbit in 1997 to operate for at least three years. It is
now 2004.
> This satellite provides very useful weather forecasting and research
> information, especially on tropical storm systems such as hurricanes.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> weather analysis and forecasting) Bush instead says he's going to send
> all our money to Mars. We should save our money and send Bush to Mars!
Maybe Earth observation can be done by someone else. Why not have the
Japanese or the Russians or the rich Europeans start stepping up to the
plate to do these things more? As long as the US will pay for it and
give it away free, they have no incentive.
> He will waste billions of our tax dollars on a somewhat secretive
> project that will supposedly result in a Mars missions is about as
> useful to the average American as building better missiles to send to
> Baghdad.
Bush wants a new large man rated ELV. That is useful for all sorts of
activities and because it is ELV and will have so many uses, it will
have an assembly line that remains open.
> Granted, spending money in space has economic benefits here on
> Earth, but what Bush is doing is just throwing our money all away on
> boondoggle projects (that will in all likelihood end up into the pockets
> of corrupt corporations that fund Republican campaigns, such as
> Halliburton).
Why do you oppose the exploration of Space? Why do you want to go roundy
round in LEO forever?
> The money wasted on a non-existent/imaginary Mars mission SOMETIME IN
> THE FUTURE is money that would be much better spent NOW to learn more
> about our home planet.
By learning more about the other planets, scientists do learn more about
Earth. The ELV Bush wants will be used first to go back to the Moon.
That is well within the capabilities and cost constraints on NASA giving
a migration away from ISS and STS.

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Brian Thorn - 27 Jul 2004 22:04 GMT
>> NASA has decided to euthanize a highly successful Tropical Rainfall
>> Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite, just because they supposedly want to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>It was put on orbit in 1997 to operate for at least three years. It is
>now 2004.
Now, Bill... you don't want to confuse the man with annoying facts
like that. Can't you see he has an axe to grind?
Brian
rk - 28 Jul 2004 05:45 GMT
>>> NASA has decided to euthanize a highly successful Tropical Rainfall
>>> Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite, just because they supposedly want to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Now, Bill... you don't want to confuse the man with annoying facts
> like that. Can't you see he has an axe to grind?
According to Space News, July 12, 2004, p. 12, TRMM had an 18 month mission
and a three year design life.
It was an interesting editorial, well worth reading:
"Paying for Mission Operations"

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