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Space Forum / Shuttle / April 2004Minuteman III Launch Photos Posted
Hi All: I have justed posted several images of the rare Minuteman III dusk test launch of 2002 SEP 19. They are at: http://www.spacearchive.info/minuteman-gt-180gm.htm Regards, Brian >I have justed posted several images of the rare Minuteman III dusk test >launch of 2002 SEP 19. They are at: > >http://www.spacearchive.info/minuteman-gt-180gm.htm > >Regards, Thank goodness they were never used in a nuclear exchange. very beautiful Hey this is my opinion:) > >I have justed posted several images of the rare Minuteman III dusk test > >launch of 2002 SEP 19. They are at: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thank goodness they were never used in a nuclear exchange. very beautiful > Hey this is my opinion:) Indeed, nice photos... plus thankfully being a weapons system that was never utilized in combat! From Scott Kozel: > > >I have justed posted several images of the rare Minuteman III dusk test > > >launch of 2002 SEP 19. They are at: > > > > > >http://www.spacearchive.info/minuteman-gt-180gm.htm > > Thank goodness they were never used in a nuclear exchange. very beautiful > Indeed, nice photos... plus thankfully being a weapons system that was > never utilized in combat! Not just combat. That includes peacetime testing too! It's critical to note... Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. ************************************************************* (One post from a couple of years ago - http://tinyurl.com/2yrvc) ~ CT >Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. 23:30 6 May 1962 (GMT) D.  SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. > >Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. > > 23:30 6 May 1962 (GMT) Which was a Polaris-A1 SLBM - not quite a ICBM. And BTW, there were also at least one "live" test of a soviet R-12 missile. Gunter Krebs http://space.skyrocket.de >"Derek Lyons" <derekl1963@nospamyahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Which was a Polaris-A1 SLBM - not quite a ICBM. Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the re-entry. (The further you throw a warhead, the more intense the re-entry. This has proven a problem for the D-5 which carries the MK5 intended for the considerably shorter ranged C-4.) D. SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the >re-entry. Polaris' range puts it into the IRBM category, but that's splitting hairs. It's an ICBM if you count the sub as a slow-moving reusable first stage. Pat >>Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference >>between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hairs. It's an ICBM if you count the sub as a slow-moving reusable first >stage. No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. D. SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. >No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual >difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. Remember when they were trying to develop Midgetman? I could never figure why they didn't just take Trident II D5 and stick it on a vehicle- it's already designed for cold launch, and it's guidance is set up to be mobile-capable, decrease the number of warheads and the savings in weight gives you an ICBM. Space up in the front end that was formerly given over to warheads can house improved penaids, providing they are light in weight. Pat From Derek Lyons: > >>Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference > >>between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual > difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. The difference is range. And that difference is huge. (Pressing an argument that range is extended by the sub would lead toward a strange conclusion that *any* nuclear missile launched from a mobile platform can be counted as having "intercontinental range" - Pershings, GLCMs, ALCMs, SRAMs, etc). ~ CT From Derek Lyons: > >>Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference > >>between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual > difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. The difference is range. And that difference is huge. (Pressing an argument that range is extended by the sub would lead toward a strange conclusion that *any* nuclear missile launched from a mobile platform can be counted as having "intercontinental range" - Pershings, GLCMs, ALCMs, SRAMs, etc.) ~ CT From Derek Lyons: > >>Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference > >>between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual > difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. The difference is range. And that difference is huge. (Pressing an argument that range is extended by the sub would lead toward a strange conclusion that *any* nuclear missile launched from a mobile platform can be counted as having "intercontinental range" - Pershings, GLCMs, ALCMs, SRAMs, etc.) ~ CT From Derek Lyons: > >>Close enough for any reasonable usages. The only real difference > >>between Dominic/Frigate Bird and a 'real' ICBM is the intensity of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No matter which category you put it in, there is very little actual > difference (so far as testing the working principles) between them. The difference is range. And that difference is huge. (Pressing an argument that range is extended by the sub would lead toward a strange conclusion that *any* nuclear missile launched from a mobile platform can be counted as having "intercontinental range" - Pershings, GLCMs, ALCMs, SRAMs, etc.) ~ CT From Pat Flannery: > >>"Derek Lyons" <derekl1963@nospamyahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > >>>>Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. > >>>23:30 6 May 1962 (GMT) > >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hairs. It's an ICBM if you count the sub as a slow-moving reusable first > stage. Ha. But let's check that Polaris-A1 range category. Using the system where the lower cutoff for IRBM status is 1500mi (2400km), this bumps "Frigate Bird" down to MRBM. The missile only flew ~1000 miles. There was never any threat that *Christmas Island* would have been hit, let alone the USSR. ...unless that long cylindrical "first stage" had strayed off course prior to launch! (Per test design, Christmas Island was ~1500nm away from the launch point, well outside of the maximum range of the Polaris.) Footnote - Here is one reference for ballistic missile range categorization: BSRBM Battlefield Short-Range up to 150 km up to 94 miles SRBM Short-Range 150 - 799 km 94 - 499 miles MRBM Medium-Range 800 - 2,399 km 500- 1499 miles IRBM Intermediate-Range 2,400 - 5,499 km 1,500- 3,437miles ICBM Intercontinental-Range 5,500 km and above 3,438 miles and above (http://www.cdiss.org/btablec.htm) ~ CT >> >Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Gunter Krebs >http://space.skyrocket.de The Polaris A1 was fired from the USS Ethan Allen (SSBN-608) under Operation Dominic - nuclear test Frigate Bird on May 6, 1962. http://www.ssbn608.org/operation_dominic.htm http://www.ciar.org/~ttk/hew/hew/Usa/Tests/Dominic.html Some MRBM's and IRBM's launched and exploded nukes during tests. In 1958, Redstone MRBM's launched two nuke tests into space over Johnston Island. Teak and Orange under Operation Hardtack I. Teak went off course and detonated at the correct altitude but directly over the island instead of 30-miles out to sea. http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/hard4.htm http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/hard5.htm http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/hard6.htm http://www.geocities.com/redstone_mrbm/photo_gallery1.htm http://www.ciar.org/~ttk/hew/hew/Usa/Tests/Hardtack1.html In 1962 Thor IRBM's launched a series of nuke tests into space over Johnston Island for Operation Dominic. Some of the Thors failed and were destroyed on or near the launch pad, scattering plutonium over part of the island. http://www.ciar.org/~ttk/hew/hew/Usa/Tests/Dominic.html http://www.hmm-364.org/dominic.html http://www.geocities.com/thor_irbm/other_missions.htm A great series of DVD's on the subject are: -Nukes In Space: The Rainbow Bombs -Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004XMTE/qid%3D1081905072/sr%3D11-1/ref %3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-7463493-5404044 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000IML5/qid%3D1081905181/sr%3D11-1/ref %3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-7463493-5404044 - Rusty Barton From Gunter Krebs: > > >Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. > > > > 23:30 6 May 1962 (GMT) > > Which was a Polaris-A1 SLBM - not quite a ICBM. Polaris-A1 was a far cry from qualifying as an ICBM, by thousands of miles in range (details posted further down thread). > And BTW, there were also at least one "live" test of a soviet R-12 missile. Along with the R-12 IRBM and the other shorter ranged missile tests mentioned by Carsten, let's not overlook the end-to-end testing of Redstone with a nuclear warhead. I'd say that this had the most direct parallels to the human space race, considering Mercury and that Von Braun was directly involved in Project Hardtack. Here's an old post from 2001 about Hardtack that links to a photo of Von Braun at Johnston Island: http://tinyurl.com/2oc4v ~ CT >Along with the R-12 IRBM and the other shorter ranged missile tests >mentioned by Carsten, let's not overlook the end-to-end testing of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://tinyurl.com/2oc4v That is a still picture from the same government film shown in the Nukes In Space: The Rainbow Bombs DVD. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004XMTE/qid%3D1081905072/sr%3D11-1/ref %3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-7463493-5404044 - Rusty Barton From Rusty Barton: > >Here's an old post from 2001 about Hardtack that links to a photo of > >Von Braun at Johnston Island: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2oc4v > That is a still picture from the same government film shown in the > > Nukes In Space: The Rainbow Bombs DVD. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004XMTE/qid%3D1081905072/sr%3D11-1/ref %3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-7463493-5404044 Thanks for the info, Rusty. I haven't seen it (yet). But this is from one of the Amazon reviews: ------- The Bomb Set, June 24, 2001 Reviewer: hydropolis ... Nukes In Space...dives into the space race and how it was connected to the nuclear arms race, very interesting stuff. ------- I'm extremely curious to know what nuclear facts they connect to the space race. ...though not quite -$20- curious at this point in time, so any quotes posted would be appreciated! ~ CT tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com (Stuf4) wrote: Never in history has there been a full test of a nuclear ICBM. <<<<< Which is not to say there has never in history been a nuclear warhead launched by a rocket and detonated. That happened several times, IIRC. - George Gassaway > tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com (Stuf4) wrote: > > Which is not to say there has never in history been a nuclear warhead launched > by a rocket and detonated. That happened several times, IIRC. > > - George Gassaway Over the South Atlantic, and over Eniwetok Atoll, using X-17 and Thor respectively. See Starfish, etc. Regards Carsten Nielsen Denmark > Hi All: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Brian I was fortunate as a member of the primary launch crew to have turned-key on a Minuteman I at Vandenberg in 1970. Glory Trip 32 Bravo. Thanks to the 30-second delay, I even had time to run outside and watch it blast out of the hole. LewBob |
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