Next Space Ship Name => CALYPSO
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Federico Iglesias - 01 Mar 2004 15:58 GMT Ayear ago I proposed to name "CALYPSO" a future Space Ship. The resonse whas overwhelming, but I wonder if either NASA or the European Space Agency (ESA) have any plans to do so. In any case, here is the original post in hope that someone close to the space programs at either NASA or ESA takes note of this initiative.
At this point, we don't know if the next space ship will actually be The Space Shuttle, as we know it now. In any case, a new spaceship (i.e. Space Shuttle) would have to be built with new design and technology and be launched soon (we hope).
So, a name for the next Space Shuttle would have to be suggested. I understand that Shuttles are named after scientific exploration ocean ships, and the name has to be at least three syllables long. Some people have suggested the name CALYPSO, after Captain Jacques Yves Cousteau's research ship known and loved by television audiences all over the globe. And I agree: the next NASA's Space Shuttle shall be named CALYPSO. ( www.cousteausociety.org/tcs_calypso.html ).
Captain Cousteau was very much aware and supportive of the space program. Back in 1993, I was privileged to ask him about how he envisioned the extension of the CALYPSO experience into the space program. And I learned from his response that he was quite involved with NASA and supportive of the space program. Also, I recently had an email exchange with Mr. Clark Lee Merriam, Research & Communications Official at the Cousteau Society ( www.cousteausociety.org ) who provided me new light about Captain Cousteau's vision of the space program. He told me that After the Challenger tragedy of 1986, Captain Cousteau wrote to President Reagan. His letter read in part, "The world is in mourning, but public opinion unanimously supports your decision to carry on. As a token of my deep solidarity, I wish to express my sincere desire to take part in one of the next shuttle flights."
So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become more involved with the space program, so much as to justify TV prime-time exposure worldwide.
Best regards,
Federico Iglesias Monterrey, N.L. MEXICO Federico@Iglesias.com http://www.Federico.Iglesias.com
Greg Mossman - 01 Mar 2004 17:21 GMT > So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it > will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become > more involved with the space program, so much as to justify TV > prime-time exposure worldwide. The next space shuttle and all space shuttles are American. No one will listen to you, an un-American, whether you want to call it Calypso or Jesus. Build your own frickin' shuttle if you want to name one. In the meantime, take this crap off our precious diving newsgroup.
Brian Gaff - 01 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT and you make sure you read the list of newsgroups before you get hot under the collar about an opinion which is as much justified as anyone elses...
I like the idea, but somehow, it does not seem right for a spacecraft name to me.
Brian
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| > So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it | > will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | Build your own frickin' shuttle if you want to name one. In the meantime, | take this crap off our precious diving newsgroup. Carlos Santillan - 02 Mar 2004 14:45 GMT Hi, I'm just another mexican and I think is a great idea to christen the next shuttle as Calypso.
Greg Mossman - 02 Mar 2004 17:51 GMT > Hi, I'm just another mexican and I think is a great idea to christen > the next shuttle as Calypso. And I'd love for the next Mexican president to be named Dick, but I'm equally powerless. I feel for you.
Federico Iglesias - 03 Mar 2004 07:07 GMT > The next space shuttle and all space shuttles are American. No one will > listen to you, an un-American, whether you want to call it Calypso or Jesus. > Build your own frickin' shuttle if you want to name one. In the meantime, > take this crap off our precious diving newsgroup. Hey Greg Mossman: deep seas & space exploration and knowledge are universal assets (for that reason you are welcomed to dive here in Mexico or elsewhere) my suggestion does not make me an "un-American", and my comment is relevant to this community since it suggets a tribute to a fellow diver.
... and a word to those who called Cousteau as someone "greedy, rapacious, and dishonest": he was not. Cousteau was truly a citizen of the world. His work as an environmentalist is hailed by divers worldwide and marine biologists. His legacy includes among other accomplishments, inventions such as the aqua-lung and the one-man submarine that ushered in a new era of underwater discovery. The Cousteau Society is dedicated to the protection of ocean life and still going strong with 300,000 members worldwide. He was a WW-II hero, and President Reagan awarded Cousteau the Medal of Freedom in 1985. Cousteau never stopped championing the deep blue seas. I had the privilege of meeting and talking to him, and to this day I've witness how popular he remains.
Alan Street - 03 Mar 2004 07:25 GMT #"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message #news:<40437019$0$75800$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com>... #> The next space shuttle and all space shuttles are American. No one will #> listen to you, an un-American, whether you want to call it Calypso or Jesus. #> Build your own frickin' shuttle if you want to name one. In the meantime, #> take this crap off our precious diving newsgroup. # #Hey Greg Mossman: deep seas & space exploration and knowledge are #universal assets (for that reason you are welcomed to dive here in #Mexico or elsewhere) my suggestion does not make me an "un-American", #and my comment is relevant to this community since it suggets a #tribute to a fellow diver. # #... and a word to those who called Cousteau as someone "greedy, #rapacious, and dishonest": he was not. Cousteau was truly a citizen of #the world. His work as an environmentalist is hailed by divers #worldwide
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and marine biologists. His legacy includes among other #accomplishments, inventions such as the aqua-lung and the one-man #submarine that ushered in a new era of underwater discovery. The #Cousteau Society is dedicated to the protection of ocean life and #still going strong with 300,000 members worldwide. He was a WW-II #hero, and President Reagan awarded Cousteau the Medal of Freedom in #1985. Cousteau never stopped championing the deep blue seas. I had the #privilege of meeting and talking to him, and to this day I've witness #how popular he remains.
But obviously, you're not a diver yourself and have never ventured into the world highlighted by Capt. Cousteau. Tell me, as a Mexican, would you object to having your country personified by Cortez?
Greg Mossman - 05 Mar 2004 00:03 GMT > But obviously, you're not a diver yourself and have never ventured into > the world highlighted by Capt. Cousteau. Tell me, as a Mexican, would > you object to having your country personified by Cortez? I've dove in the Sea of Cortez. He must have been a hero for the country to name an entire sea after him. Heck, Cousteau just got a lousy Medal of Freedom.
I vote we name the next space shuttle Cortez to show that space exploration is good for the gander.
mike gray - 03 Mar 2004 14:50 GMT > ... and a word to those who called Cousteau as someone "greedy, > rapacious, and dishonest": he was not. Cousteau was truly a citizen of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > privilege of meeting and talking to him, and to this day I've witness > how popular he remains. Cousteau certainly did a great deal to popularize diving and exploration of the underwater world. But the man does not live up to the myth he created.
He did not "invent" the Aqua Lung, Emile Gagnan did and Air Liquide (Cousteau's father-in-law was a director of the company) held the patents. Prior to 1953, Aqua Lungs in North America were made by Gagnan in Canada.
In 1953, Air Liquide learned that the US Navy was about to put out a bid for a quarter million dollar’s worth of regulators (that’s about 10,000 units at twenty five bucks each!) Cousteau was sent to the US to buy out his cousin, Rene Bussoz who was one of the US distributors for Air Liquide's Aqua Lung, operating under the name US Divers. US Divers was made a subsidiary of La Spirotechnique (which it still is) and Cousteau was named its head.
As head of US Divers, the first thing Cousteau did was hire an army of lawyers to sue everyone selling regulators. This was about the same time that E.R. Cross and Ted Eldred were inventing the modern single hose regulator that we use today.
The only Air Liquide patent of any merit was the location of the exhaust valve, and even that did not hold up in his patent infringement suit against Arnie Post. His double hose regulator quickly became obsolete.
And one man subs were around and in quite common use a long time before Cousteau ever went diving. Which, by the way, was in the 1930's using Le Prieur gear.
This "WW-II hero" spent the French occupation at his estate in Bandol testing Gagnan's equipment, and when the Free French went back to battle (in which Georges Commeinhes, who held the scuba depth record at the time, on equipment of his own design, was getting killed at the battle of Austerlitz), Cousteau was in England, a salesman for Air Liquide trying to peddle the Aqua Lung to the Allies. None of whom bought it.
Cousteau championed the deep blue seas and the movements that came with it because it benefited Cousteau, Inc.
To raise capital for his Calypso marine exploration projects, Cousteau shamelessly promoted himself as inventor of all dive gear and discoverer of everything underwater. He became a force behind The Skin Diver Magazine, NAUI, and NASDS. Cousteau promoted Cousteau and the Aqua Lung while ignoring the contributions of others with equal ruthlessness. In “The Silent World”, the name Gagnan appears twice, and only in passing, and Air Liquide is not mentioned at all. Tailliez and Dumas, co-developers of the Aqua Lung, had assumed they would be named co-authors of that book (which was actually written by an American, James Dugan) and both were surprized and pissed when they were left off the title page. Gagnan disappeared completely from the regulator label with the 1968 Golden Royal Aquamaster celebrating the 25th anniversary of his Aqua Lung. Cousteau’s underwater filming never credited Hans Hass, who had developed most of the equipment and techniques years before. And Cousteau died in the midst of a bitter legal battle with his own son over use of the name “Cousteau”.
There is no question that the Aqua Lung and Cousteau’s films, books, explorations, and other promotions hugely popularized and commercialized recreational SCUBA, for which Cousteau deserves great credit along with Sea Hunt, The Skin Diver, PADI, and dozens of others.
Just don't believe everything Cousteau told you about Cousteau.
mike gray - 03 Mar 2004 15:21 GMT And one additional note:
Cousteau was stupefyingly ignorant of the life sciences. He believed, for instance, that the use of scuba would enable man to develop the ability to live under water without the use of artifices.
Cousteau the promoter was smart enough to surround himself with bright scientists, authors, photographers, and others.
chilly - 03 Mar 2004 17:40 GMT (snip)> There is no question that the Aqua Lung and Cousteau’s films, books,
> explorations, and other promotions hugely popularized and commercialized > recreational SCUBA, for which Cousteau deserves great credit along with > Sea Hunt, The Skin Diver, PADI, and dozens of others. > > Just don't believe everything Cousteau told you about Cousteau. Didn't he also blow a hole in the coral surrounds of the Great Blue Hole so that he could get the Calypso in there?
mike gray - 03 Mar 2004 18:59 GMT > (snip)> There is no question that the Aqua Lung and Cousteau’s films, books, >> explorations, and other promotions hugely popularized and commercialized [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Didn't he also blow a hole in the coral surrounds of the Great Blue Hole so > that he could get the Calypso in there? One of his smaller sins. He never let a little thing like a coral reef stand between him and a television production.
Dennis (Icarus) - 03 Mar 2004 11:39 GMT > > So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it > > will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Build your own frickin' shuttle if you want to name one. In the meantime, > take this crap off our precious diving newsgroup. Yes, keep it off rec.scuba. its interfering with the politics, guns, sex, and sniping threads. :-)
Dennis
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Brian Thorn - 01 Mar 2004 22:36 GMT >Ayear ago I proposed to name "CALYPSO" a future Space Ship. The next U.S. manned spacecraft series has been tentatively named "Constellation", in the same way as earlier "Mercury", "Gemini", and "Apollo" spacecraft.
If Constellations are throwaway spacecraft, NASA might decide to simply call them "Constellation 1", "Constellation 2" etc. Or they might allow the crews to name their individual spacecraft. Or NASA might choose the names itself, invoking a theme for their names... since the series is called "Constellation", their individual names might be those of constellations ("Orion", "Taurus", etc.)
If they are reusable, NASA will probably assign names such as Columbia and Atlantis. "Calypso" was among the names proposed for the fifth Space Shuttle, but the name "Endeavour" was chosen after a competition by United States grade school children.
Brian
Dave Michelson - 02 Mar 2004 09:15 GMT > If they are reusable, NASA will probably assign names such as Columbia and > Atlantis. "Calypso" was among the names proposed for the fifth Space > Shuttle, but the name "Endeavour" was chosen after a competition by United > States grade school children. Of course, the cynical among us suspect that the objective of the competition was simply to guess the name that had already been chosen by the powers that be ;-)
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Hallerb - 02 Mar 2004 12:42 GMT >> If they are reusable, NASA will probably assign names such as Columbia and >> Atlantis. "Calypso" was among the names proposed for the fifth Space >> Shuttle, but the name "Endeavour" was chosen after a competition by United >> States grade school children. I am relieved they didnt choose calypso. Imagine the C concers for the astronauts familys:(
Roger Balettie - 02 Mar 2004 14:04 GMT > I am relieved they didnt choose calypso. Imagine the C concers for the > astronauts familys:( Fortunately... astronauts and their families have far more intelligence than that to be worried about a *letter*.
Seriously... we don't worry about black cats or broken mirrors either.
<tongue-in-cheek> Maybe management should? </tongue-in-cheek>
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rk - 02 Mar 2004 14:25 GMT >> I am relieved they didnt choose calypso. Imagine the C concers for the >> astronauts familys:( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <tongue-in-cheek> Maybe management should? </tongue-in-cheek> Yes, "cat" starts with the letter "c."
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Hallerb - 02 Mar 2004 15:55 GMT >Fortunately... astronauts and their families have far more intelligence than >that to be worried about a *letter* The most intelligentn person I EVER met was a hubble controller. Believe it or not he was superstitious. Remarked the ONLY shuttle launch he didnt watch in real time was challenger. We talked of superstions.
Even intelligent folks believe in such things or perhaps they are so smart stuff like that just makes them wonder?
Alan Erskine - 02 Mar 2004 20:21 GMT > > I am relieved they didnt choose calypso. Imagine the C concers for the > > astronauts familys:( [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Space Shuttle Mission Control > http://www.balettie.com/ Roger, it's called a Killfile - if you killfile Chicken Little like most other people, you won't see his 'reespnosez' and we won't see any replies.
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Nick Hull - 01 Mar 2004 22:56 GMT > So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it > will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become > more involved with the space program, so much as to justify TV > prime-time exposure worldwide. Please, no more spaceships starting with "C", Nasa has lost two of them already.
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Jorge R. Frank - 01 Mar 2004 23:07 GMT Nick Hull <nhull@access4less.net> wrote in news:nhull- 234198.17561601032004@corp.supernews.com:
>> So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it >> will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please, no more spaceships starting with "C", Nasa has lost two of them > already. By the same token, the Russians should have no more spaceships starting with "S".
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Charleston - 02 Mar 2004 05:07 GMT > >> So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it > >> will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > By the same token, the Russians should have no more spaceships starting > with "S". The word Constellation starts with the letter C. What's up with that? There are 88 constellations in the Northern hemisphere. Oh and 22 of them start with, you guessed it the letter "C".
"Liftoff, we have liftoff of the 66th space shuttle mission and it has cleared the tower."
"Roll program"...
..."Norma, go at throttle-up."
Yep, Norma is one those 88 constellations. Really. I am being on the "level".
My favorite shuttle ironically is the Constellation class "Microscopium."
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Charleston - 02 Mar 2004 05:08 GMT Oops 88 constellations period.
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Brian Thorn - 02 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT >> So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it >> will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Please, no more spaceships starting with "C", Nasa has lost two of them >already. Apollo 16's "Casper" bucks the trend.
Brian
Dave Kenworthy - 02 Mar 2004 01:33 GMT > Apollo 16's "Casper" bucks the trend. > > Brian As does Apollo 10's 'Charlie Brown'....
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Dennis (Icarus) - 03 Mar 2004 11:42 GMT > > So, I am certain that if the next Space-Shuttle is named CALYPSO, it > > will be well accepted by people all over the world, who will become [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please, no more spaceships starting with "C", Nasa has lost two of them > already. And no launches/missions during late jan-early feb.
That seems to be when they lose 'em.
Dennis
Brian Thorn - 03 Mar 2004 20:30 GMT On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:42:30 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:
>And no launches/missions during late jan-early feb. > >That seems to be when they lose 'em. Apollo 14 (31 Jan 71) STS-41B (3 Feb 84) STS-51C (24 Jan 85) STS-51L (28 Jan 86)* STS-42 (22 Jan 92) STS-60 (3 Feb 94) STS-63 (3 Feb 95) STS-89 (22 Jan 98) STS-98 (7 Feb 01) STS-107 (16 Jan 03)*
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el Stroko Guapo - 02 Mar 2004 14:02 GMT > Ayear ago I proposed to name "CALYPSO" a future Space Ship. The > resonse whas overwhelming, but I wonder if either NASA or the European > Space Agency (ESA) have any plans to do so. In any case, here is the > original post in hope that someone close to the space programs at > either NASA or ESA takes note of this initiative. In 1954, Cousteau refurbished a WW II mine sweeper, named it "Calypso", and sailed into the Persian Gulf under a contract with British Petroleum to search for oil. He found it, and used the profits to make the film "The Silent World", which won an Oscar for its depiction of Cousteau and his crew gratuitously killing every living creature they came across and dynamiting coral reefs to get fish counts.
I don't think either NASA or ESA want to be associated with anyone as greedy, rapacious, and dishonest as Cousteau.
ESG
Bardo - 02 Mar 2004 14:57 GMT > > Ayear ago I proposed to name "CALYPSO" a future Space Ship. The > > resonse whas overwhelming, but I wonder if either NASA or the European [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't think either NASA or ESA want to be associated with anyone as > greedy, rapacious, and dishonest as Cousteau. Well said! My thoughts exactly. Quite why people still look upon Cousteau as a 'hero' and 'friend' of the ocean is beyond me...
froggy - 04 Mar 2004 13:46 GMT [...]
> so much as to justify TV prime-time exposure worldwide. Especially if the plan is to scatter it at sea (again).
Froggy
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