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Space Forum / Space History / March 2010Space Summit for real, or is it just for theater?
Space.com, Spaceflight now, and Spacepolitics.com are mentioning this space summit with the President in attendance scheduled for 15 April. Is this for real, where real ideas and proposals will be discussed, and compromises made (because the Plan, such as it is, has such a hostile reception in Congress it hasn't much of a chance of passing) or is it going to be a lecture to the uneducated peasants, saying "This is what we're doing, and either vote with us, or get out of the way"? Whoever suggested that Commercial Crew and Cargo only was the way to go ought to be flayed alive. And Congress is likely to insist on a government vehicle for LEO as part of the price to be paid for the Plan (whatever they want to call it). > Space.com, Spaceflight now, and Spacepolitics.com are mentioning this space > summit with the President in attendance scheduled for 15 April. Is this for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > insist on a government vehicle for LEO as part of the price to be paid for > the Plan (whatever they want to call it). I'm still laughing my a.s off about Republican congressmen trying to keep the evil big government run NASA programs in place rather than switching to those dangerous private industry alternatives. Pat > I'm still laughing my a.s off about Republican congressmen trying to > keep the evil big government run NASA programs in place rather than > switching to those dangerous private industry alternatives. Watching politicians try to juggle their own values, their party's platform planks, and what they think their constituents actually want, is good cheap entertainment for the masses. (Right, Roy Ashburn?)  Signaturedjb@ | Dan Birchall, Night Operation Assistant, Subaru Telescope/NAOJ. naoj | Views I express are my own, certainly not those of my employer. .org | Oh wicked, bad, naughty, _evil_ Dan! He is a _naughty_ person. > > I'm still laughing my a.s off about Republican congressmen trying to > > keep the evil big government run NASA programs in place rather than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > naoj | Views I express are my own, certainly not those of my employer. > .org | Oh wicked, bad, naughty, _evil_ Dan! He is a _naughty_ person. Remember what Tip O'Neil said once? "All Politics is Local." If the Congresscritters from states where Constellation work is being done want to get reelected, they'd better have something to show for their efforts, or else. And if Obama wants to win reelection in two years, he needs Florida. So there's going to be something for KSC in whatever plan is adopted by Congress (and remember that the Administration needs Congressional approval for any changes to Constellation- including cancellation). If the Administration expects Congress to just roll over and accept this, they've got a surprise coming. >Remember what Tip O'Neil said once? "All Politics is Local." ...There's been a little debate over that, as some have claimed that George Romney or LBJ said that a few years before Tip. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ > >Remember what Tip O'Neil said once? "All Politics is Local." > > ...There's been a little debate over that, as some have claimed that > George Romney or LBJ said that a few years before Tip. > > OM Maybe so, but Tip's the one it gets attributed to. Anyway, OM, what's your take on this summit? Theater, or are they actually going to get down to brass tacks and get something that'll please the folks (who are many) who want goals, deadlines, and outlines of exploration archicture and spacecraft? I personally think Chuck Bolden, despite his denials, has a "Plan B" in the works, because right now, the original plan is either DOA or will expire shortly. >> >Remember what Tip O'Neil said once? "All Politics is Local." >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >want goals, deadlines, and outlines of exploration archicture and >spacecraft? ...Personally, I suspect this will be a lot of handwaving with nothing getting done, because nobody at NASA appears to be willing to stand up to Obama and say directly to his face that he's totally in the wrong, and he's doing *nothing* to preserve our even having an equal footing in space. In the end, lots of talk, quite a few lunches and dinners at taxpayer expense, and everything deferred until the next budget comes around. >I personally think Chuck Bolden, despite his denials, has a >"Plan B" in the works, because right now, the original plan is either DOA or >will expire shortly. ...It wouldn't surprise me if there's always been a "Plan B" in the works, with the subtitle of "Anything that's *not* Direct 2.0". OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ > Maybe so, but Tip's the one it gets attributed to. Anyway, OM, what's your > take on this summit? Theater, or are they actually going to get down to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Plan B" in the works, because right now, the original plan is either DOA or > will expire shortly. Update on the summit: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/florida-space-s.html Apparently, DIRECT fans will be there. What's needed now is for Keith Cowing to show up and hurl a rock from the summit of Mt. Everest at the president. ;-) Pat > > Maybe so, but Tip's the one it gets attributed to. Anyway, OM, what's your > > take on this summit? Theater, or are they actually going to get down to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Pat It had better be on NASA TV; interesting that the committee hearings where Bolden got roasted by senators and Congressmen haven't been repeated, when they usually replay the hearings for a day or two afterwards. > It had better be on NASA TV; interesting that the committee hearings > where Bolden got roasted by senators and Congressmen haven't been > repeated, when they usually replay the hearings for a day or two > afterwards. Did you try a non-stakeholder like C-SPAN? Dave > > It had better be on NASA TV; interesting that the committee hearings > > where Bolden got roasted by senators and Congressmen haven't been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dave Yes, I did. No joy. >> > It had better be on NASA TV; interesting that the committee hearings >> > where Bolden got roasted by senators and Congressmen haven't been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yes, I did. No joy. Bummer, I did a little search on C-SPAN's website and did find Bolden's speech on the FY2011 budget to the National Press Club. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/291864-1 Dave > Space.com, Spaceflight now, and Spacepolitics.com are mentioning this space > summit with the President in attendance scheduled for 15 April. Is this for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > uneducated peasants, saying "This is what we're doing, and either vote with > us, or get out of the way"? From the article in SpaceNews: “Specifically, the conference will focus on the goals and strategies in this new vision, the next steps, and the new technologies, new jobs, and new industries it will create,” the White House news release states. http://www.spacenews.com/policy/100308-obama-discuss-space-plan-florida.html > > Space.com, Spaceflight now, and Spacepolitics.com are mentioning this space > > summit with the President in attendance scheduled for 15 April. Is this for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.spacenews.com/policy/100308-obama-discuss-space-plan-flori... Sounds like another lecture....Obama knows that if he wants to stay President in 2012, he needs Florida. And since the Florida House and Senate members are all united against this vague Plan, he'll have to be specific. Or he can kiss Florida good-bye. There'd better be specifics, or the Plan, such as it is, is dead in Congress. And he needs Congressional approval to cancel or modify Constellation. To get it, there's going to be a lot of horse-trading. Say, a Crew Vehicle (call it Orion or whatever), a heavy-lift rocket, and gradual transition to Commercial Crew/Cargo. And guaranteed business in Florida (and Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Utah, and the other states where Constellation work is still ongoing). > Space.com, Spaceflight now, and Spacepolitics.com are mentioning this > space [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with > us, or get out of the way"? With the President drifting in the wind with health care, the democracts in Florida and Texas are flexing some of that leverage to get the NASA cuts back. The President won't be setting out any new 'vision' for NASA. It'll probably take until the next term before he's ready to become specific about NASA's future. For now it'll be about lower cost technology and commercial ventures, etc, the President will be stalling for time, and probably give some of the cuts back just to placate them for now. So all this means is really the waste on another moon shot will just go on for another year or two before it gets canceled all over again. So the eleven billion wasted on a return to the moon so far becomes say fifteen billion. NASA has already wasted the last fifty years, what's a couple more? We could have a space program that truly shines, and gets the public's attention in an inspirational way. But that would make too much sense. Laying the Foundation for Space Solar Power http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 Space-Based Solar Power As an Opportunity for Strategic Security http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/nsso.htm Space Energy Inc http://www.spaceenergy.com/s/Default.htm War Without Oil: A Catalyst For True Transformation "Complicating the matter is a lack of professional consensus on the actual expected date of global peak oil production, with credible organizations such a ExxonMobil predicting that the non-OPEC Hubbert's Peak will arrive within 5 years and the U.S. Government claiming the planet's absolute peak will occur somewhere around 2037" http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/csat56.pdf s |
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