NASA engineer, 3 others die in Calif. murder-arson
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David Lesher - 27 Jun 2008 16:31 GMT The Associated Press Friday, June 27, 2008; 10:18 AM
LANCASTER, Calif. -- Four people including a NASA engineer were beaten and stabbed to death in the engineer's Mojave Desert home, which was then set afire, authorities said.
The badly burned remains of engineer Joseph Ciganek, a woman and two children were discovered Monday in the ashes of his home in an unincorporated area near Lancaster, north of Los Angeles. Ciganek's wife, Jocelyn, was returning from work at about the time the fire broke out, authorities said.
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Ciganek worked at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base, a NASA spokesman said.
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Ugh...
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BradGuth - 30 Jun 2008 03:36 GMT > The Associated Press Friday, June 27, 2008; 10:18 AM > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Ciganek worked at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air > Force Base, a NASA spokesman said. This looks much like another black ops (aka MIB), nondisclosure enforcement.
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J Waggoner - 01 Jul 2008 17:28 GMT Looks like someone got mad to me. :) Dont' get Mad get GLAD :) to bad about the kids though, that's just wrong.
>> The Associated Press Friday, June 27, 2008; 10:18 AM >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BradGuth - 04 Jul 2008 19:14 GMT > Looks like someone got mad to me. :) Dont' get Mad get GLAD :) > to bad about the kids though, that's just wrong. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth DARPA doesn't like rogue agents, as DARPA tends to police their own kind without remorse, in order to fully enforce their nondisclosure policy.
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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) - 04 Jul 2008 03:03 GMT > The Associated Press Friday, June 27, 2008; 10:18 AM > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ugh... Joe was a nice guy and I liked him. We worked together at least once, on a project.
The story is that the woman (mother of the two children) was Joe's wife's cousin, I think. She was hiding out from an abusive ex-boyfriend and he tracked her down. He and an accomplice killed the four people and set the house on fire. They were arrested somewhere in Arizona, trying to cross the border into Mexico. The woman's current boyfriend is missing, the last I heard, but I'm not in Lancaster and haven't seen the local paper recently. The story has kind of fallen off the news except for locally.
I think, but am not sure, that the ex-boyfriend or the accomplice confessed all to the Arizona LEOs.
Mary "The green-eyed monster strikes again"
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Pat Flannery - 04 Jul 2008 06:37 GMT > Joe was a nice guy and I liked him. We worked together at least once, > on a project. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > confessed all to the Arizona LEOs. > sh.t, the real story's weirder than Brad Guth's "Black Op" rub-out theory. ...okay, what about those Arizona Low Earth Orbit things... any of that involved with "Project Scoop"?
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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) - 04 Jul 2008 18:23 GMT > > Joe was a nice guy and I liked him. We worked together at least once, > > on a project. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > sh.t, the real story's weirder than Brad Guth's "Black Op" rub-out theory. The what? Joe was rubbed out by some sort of covert action? That's nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
> ...okay, what about those Arizona Low Earth Orbit things... any of that > involved with "Project Scoop"? Pat, even North Dakota has LEOs. And (ominous cello music here) so do the Canadians. Right across the border from North Dakota.
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LooseChanj - 05 Jul 2008 00:35 GMT >> sh.t, the real story's weirder than Brad Guth's "Black Op" rub-out theory. > > The what? Joe was rubbed out by some sort of covert action? That's > nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Guth theories, nonsense? That's redundant. Absolutely redundant. :D
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Pat Flannery - 05 Jul 2008 04:51 GMT >> sh.t, the real story's weirder than Brad Guth's "Black Op" rub-out theory. >> > > The what? Joe was rubbed out by some sort of covert action? That's > nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Let me look at the back of your neck. Yeah, just what I thought...Martian control implant. You should never have gone near that sandpit. ;-)
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OM - 05 Jul 2008 10:02 GMT >Let me look at the back of your neck. >Yeah, just what I thought...Martian control implant. ...Really? Looked like the mark of a Sardukar Bashar to me.
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David Lesher - 05 Jul 2008 05:17 GMT >Joe was a nice guy and I liked him. We worked together at least once, >on a project. Sorry about your friend.
>The story is that the woman (mother of the two children) was Joe's >wife's cousin, I think. She was hiding out from an abusive >ex-boyfriend and he tracked her down. He and an accomplice killed the >four people and set the house on fire. The level of violence was such I surmised it was likely a domestic abuse case. His wife must be shattered.
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OM - 05 Jul 2008 10:01 GMT >The level of violence was such I surmised it was likely a domestic >abuse case. ...Anyone know whether or not that scumbag had a restraining order out on him already? Biggest problem today is that a lot of the wife beaters are insane enough to go off like this if the wife gets the local law enforcement excuses involved, and the judge is usually too busy playing with his gavel to bother throwing the bum in jail.
>His wife must be shattered. ...Not exactly the choice of words I would have used :-(
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Pat Flannery - 05 Jul 2008 16:39 GMT > >> The story is that the woman (mother of the two children) was Joe's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > abuse case. His wife must be shattered. > Pat looks at the landscape around the burnt remains of the house... half-buried in the sand sits a Styrofoam "rock" with the letter "C" on it. Nearby, a broken Klieg light carbon element. Then the key...a piece of gold Kapton foil, with a NASA serial number on it. Yep, this is where it all happened, way back in July of 1969. But Scully will still not believe him. Because Mary has inserted a Martian control device in the back of Scully's neck, and both are now in thrall to the Martian Intelligence in the glass ball. Thank God Pat listened to the McLean boy and stayed away from the sandpit. First he must find Mulder....then someone in the military who can still be trusted. ;-)
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BradGuth - 05 Jul 2008 12:38 GMT On Jul 3, 7:03 pm, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > reunite.gondw...@gmail.com or mil...@qnet.com > Visit my blog athttp://thedigitalknitter.blogspot.com/ Going postal is every bit as all-American as apple pie, as will as the nondisclosure enforcement policy taken seriously, to the ultimate price if need be.
There's too few of laws enforced against the provoking of another person, organization or nation. You can even claim that others have WMD in order to justify over a million deaths and countless other collateral damage and global inflation, and get away with such if you are a born-again resident public warlord or some kind of faith-based leader.
Our supposed legal system does too little and often too late to matter, somewhat like our FEMA. Instead, our public servants spend most of their time in cover-thy-butt damage control, as reacting to rather than preventing a bad situation from getting worse. Police and other enforcement actions often use excessive force as their first mode of operation, as though their interpretation of whatever's moral or even constitutional is all that matters (aka presidential signings).
Hitler's Zionist/Nazi goons and those of our born-again New World Order are imposing their God like domination as we type into this public Usenet/newsgroup that's chuck full of their usual spooks/moles plus brown-nosed minions and clowns. Clearly they do not want to resolve such domestic, government or international issues, including most forms of street drugs that should have always been legal and regulated to death, as well as fully paid for by their own tax basis.
Our spendy legal and political system is all about insider job security and insuring their full and often multiple retirement and medical benefits, not about resolving issues or much less preventing any number of what-if fiascos or fixing any part of their public funded realm, unless such actions improves upon their retirement and associated benefits.
Because our system has been broken in more ways than most can count, there will be continued preventable deaths and collateral damage to come, just like if Hitler or Zionist/Nazis were still in charge.
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