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Space Forum / Space History / July 2004SM RCS Images ...
A few images from the NASM that put a physical picture next to text and diagrams: http://users.erols.com/stellare/sm_quad_3.jpg http://users.erols.com/stellare/sm_quad_4.jpg http://users.erols.com/stellare/sm_quad_6.jpg I have some more, but this is a slow phone line, and uploading is slow. I don't know which vehicle it was from, perhaps someone knows -- I didn't have time to look for a display description and just shot them quickly during a free moment.  Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 Great pictures! Very nice. I just wonder who created the labels for the links? I ask because there are not six quads. I'm sure whoever did that meant to say "sector." I know what it's like working with a slow phone line. Thanks for the effort. LaDonna > Great pictures! Very nice. No, they are horrible, it was rushed, the camera was not that good, I had no idea how to operate the camera, the viewfinder was busted, and I was just pushing the button as I ran around. KevinW should be ripping me a new one for the lack of quality in the images. I am quite sure you have quality images as part of your team's investigation. Or should have. > I just wonder who created the labels for > the links? I did. > I ask because there are not six quads. I'm sure whoever > did that meant to say "sector." No, you are not correct. I simply numbered the pictures starting with one and then incremented the number by one for each successive picture. > I know what it's like working with a slow phone line. Thanks for the > effort. It was no significant effort, the effort for uploading one file of one byte is the same for multiple files of a lot of bytes, it's a basic computer operation. Phone lines are satisfactory for most things, such as answering the following outstanding technical questions: For the SM's helium isolation valve and the "thermo switch," what firm manufactured these devices, what was the specification number, and were they procured to military standards, SCD's, or a commercial specification? What evidence do you have to support your assertion that the "thermo switch" failed? You claim these are key to your investigation and also make claims of murder and the coverup of murder. > LaDonna Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 > > hpywife927@yahoo.com wrote: > > Great pictures! Very nice. > KevinW should be ripping me a new one for the lack of quality in the images. This may be the first time I've been flamed for what I *haven't* said. :-) Seriously, what would have a higher resolution image have added to this discussion? SignatureKevin Willoughby kevinwilloughby@acm.orgNoSpam.invalid Imagine that, a FROG ON-OFF switch, hardly the work for test pilots. -- Mike Collins >> > Great pictures! Very nice. >> KevinW should be ripping me a new one for the lack of quality in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Seriously, what would have a higher resolution image have added to this > discussion? Not higher resolution but poor quality. When the images were downloaded out of the camera, they were so dark that they were almost worthless. I put them into Microshaft Photo Editor and just played with the slide bars, not having any idea what I was doing, until at least the images were viewable. Made some horrible edits which I either undid or tossed into the bit bucket. Anyways, not knowing what I was doing, could have played with them forever and just ran out of time. It was at night, camera (3 megapixel) was in full automatic mode, and just had a not so hot internal flash. Instructions on use covered all of 28 seconds! Cheers, Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer, who can design digital cameras but not operate them "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 >It was at night, camera (3 megapixel) was in full automatic mode, and just had >a not so hot internal flash. Instructions on use covered all of 28 seconds! ...Solution? Invest in a cheap 5' tripod and do extended exposures. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >...Solution? Invest in a cheap 5' tripod and do extended exposures. They won't let you carry them around in the NASM; I tried. Pat >They won't let you carry them around in the NASM; I tried. ...What's their justification? A flash I can understand, but that has to be the first time I've heard of any museum banning tripods! OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > ...What's their justification? A flash I can understand, but that has to be > the first time I've heard of any museum banning tripods! 9/11, I guess. I apparently shocked Security about a year ago when they saw me walking through a museum in NJ carrying a collapsible umbrella. "We don't allow anything like that in here anymore," I was advised by a wide-eyed security guard as she ran up to me. SignatureDave Michelson davem@ece.ubc.ca >> ...What's their justification? A flash I can understand, but that has >> to be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > allow anything like that in here anymore," I was advised by a wide-eyed > security guard as she ran up to me. This happened way back around 1984. I remember Margaret Thatcher was in town, and there were helicopters flying all over the place for security as she visited Reagan. Everybody got anything they were carrying searched as they entered the building, but the security guard saw my goggle-eyed expression and exclamations as I saw the tail end of the X-15, Mercury capsule, and Douglas Skyrocket, and turned to my girl friend and said: "Somehow, I don't think this guy is going to blow up the building." Pat >...What's their justification? A flash I can understand, but that has >to be the first time I've heard of any museum banning tripods! I assume it's due to the fact that if everybody is setting up tripods it will interfere with crowd flow through the building; it was fairly crowded when I was there. What they could do is have strategically placed small platforms where you could rest your camera for photos. Or they could improve the lighting so that you could get shorter exposure photos- wasn't this the place where they put in the first set of operational sulfur powder radio wave activated lights? Pat > I assume it's due to the fact that if everybody is setting up tripods it > will interfere with crowd flow through the building; Quite likely. It is also true that many photographers with tripods think they can command the crowd: "Don't stand there! Get out of the way! Turn a little to the left! Say 'cheese'!". This kind of behavior can be quite annoying. On the other hand, a polite letter written to the curator might get you a few minutes with a tripod when the museum is nominally closed. SignatureKevin Willoughby kevinwilloughby@acm.orgNoSpam.invalid Imagine that, a FROG ON-OFF switch, hardly the work for test pilots. -- Mike Collins >On the other hand, a polite letter written to the curator might get you >a few minutes with a tripod when the museum is nominally closed. And after I hold him at gunpoint, and run off with their Uberkool Rheintochter Nazi SAM, what then? Pat >>On the other hand, a polite letter written to the curator might get you >>a few minutes with a tripod when the museum is nominally closed. > > And after I hold him at gunpoint, and run off with their Uberkool > Rheintochter Nazi SAM, what then? The Maryland police get some really, really *weird* fugitive reports? Signature-Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk >>> >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >The Maryland police get some really, really *weird* fugitive reports? The police draw their guns; you point this wooden-finned Byzantine monster at them: http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/dsh/artifacts/RM-RhineI.htm while holding a bottle of Schnapps skyward and yelling "Watch out...I may be loaded!". Pat >Quite likely. It is also true that many photographers with tripods think >they can command the crowd: "Don't stand there! Get out of the way! Turn >a little to the left! Say 'cheese'!". This kind of behavior can be quite >annoying. ...Not as annoying as the bastards that *deliberately* step into the photo to f.ck with the shot. I have to deal with that on a weekly basis these days, and most of the punks who pull that sh.t are drunk idiots who think they own the joint just because they paid cover and bought one beer to nurse all night long. The nice thing is that, on most occasions, it's a great opportunity for the bouncer to finally toss the j.rkoff out the door on his face... OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > Great pictures! Very nice. I just wonder who created the labels for > the links? I ask because there are not six quads. Most likely the "6" refers to the number of the photograph in the sequence of shots of RCS quads. Just as ISS008-E-17326_lrg.jpg doesn't show the 17326th Mt Fuji. (from the Earth Observations catalog on the appropriate NASA site.) /dps > > Great pictures! Very nice. I just wonder who created the labels for > > the links? I ask because there are not six quads. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > /dps That's a possibility. Thanks. LaDonna >> > Great pictures! Very nice. I just wonder who created the labels for >> > the links? I ask because there are not six quads. I did. >> Most likely the "6" refers to the number of the photograph in the >> sequence of shots of RCS quads. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's a possibility. Thanks. > LaDonna No, it's a fact. Dave is correct. Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 The same reliable engines were used to brake Cassini into Saturnian orbit. My source is AW&ST. Matthew Ota > A few images from the NASM that put a physical picture next to text and > diagrams: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > time to look for a display description and just shot them quickly during a > free moment. > http://users.erols.com/stellare/sm_quad_6.jpg "Marquardt" is quite visible. Off-hand, I don't recall many corporate logos on the Apollo-era spacecraft. Was there official policy about logos on the spacecraft? Were these logos designed to be removed before flight? It sure looks like the business-end of the thruster was sealed in this photo. Presumably this would be removed shortly before liftoff, perhaps removing the logo. (Now I'm going to have nightmares about NASCAR-like CSMs and LMs. Neil Armstrong plastered with a dozen brightly colored trademarks as he stands on the lunar surface.) SignatureKevin Willoughby kevinwilloughby@acm.orgNoSpam.invalid Imagine that, a FROG ON-OFF switch, hardly the work for test pilots. -- Mike Collins On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:47:49 -0400, Kevin "I'm In Love With My Killfile" Willoughby <KevinWilloughby@acm.org.invalid> wrote: >(Now I'm going to have nightmares about NASCAR-like CSMs and LMs. Neil >Armstrong plastered with a dozen brightly colored trademarks as he >stands on the lunar surface.) ...Hell, if they'd allowed this in the first place, we'd probably still be going to the Moon on a regular basis. I personally could care less who sponsors my flight(*), as long as I'm getting there, dammit. (*) Sole exception is an Apple sponsorship. I'd rather stay home than give Steve Jobs and the rest of his coked-out cronies any publicity. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >...Hell, if they'd allowed this in the first place, we'd probably >still be going to the Moon on a regular basis. I personally could care >less who sponsors my flight(*), as long as I'm getting there, dammit. > >(*) Sole exception is an Apple sponsorship. I'd rather stay home than >give Steve Jobs and the rest of his coked-out cronies any publicity. Don't worry, Apple's space program is on hold until they can decide what color the ship should be. They had the same problem with the wheel, IIRC Pat > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:47:49 -0400, Kevin "I'm In Love With My > Killfile" Willoughby <KevinWilloughby@acm.org.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > OM Well, if being "coked-out" nets the kind of money Steve Jobs has made, I say bring on the Coke! Personally, if it would get us back to the Moon, I wouldn't care WHO the sponsor was. LaDonna >> http://users.erols.com/stellare/sm_quad_6.jpg > > "Marquardt" is quite visible. Off-hand, I don't recall many corporate > logos on the Apollo-era spacecraft. Was there official policy about > logos on the spacecraft? Were these logos designed to be removed before > flight? I'm not sure about any policy and was suprised to see them marked so prominently. I would take a look at some of the identification plates on hardware boxes as there may be some logos there. These plates would have manufacturer name on it, part number, serial number, date, revision, etc. Sometimes these were inked on (special ink of course). > It sure looks like the business-end of the thruster was sealed in this > photo. Presumably this would be removed shortly before liftoff, perhaps > removing the logo. Don't know much about the hardware. But you can compare that against the thrusters on the LEM (I think I posted those pictures, too; if not, yell). > (Now I'm going to have nightmares about NASCAR-like CSMs and LMs. Neil > Armstrong plastered with a dozen brightly colored trademarks as he > stands on the lunar surface.) I've heard of worse and have thought putting large logos on the Space Shuttle and selling space there would be a great idea (in theory; have to be safe and all in practice) since around '86. Sell the rights to orbit insertion burns like kickoffs. "This orbit insertion burn brought to you by Rolaids ..." The Pizza Hut thing a few years back was great, in my personal opinion. Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 > > (Now I'm going to have nightmares about NASCAR-like CSMs and LMs. Neil > > Armstrong plastered with a dozen brightly colored trademarks as he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > all in practice) since around '86. Sell the rights to orbit insertion burns > like kickoffs. "This orbit insertion burn brought to you by Rolaids ..." sigh.... This is where I part company with the Libertarians. There really are things in life that are more important than money. My drive home was longer than usual because of the nonsense currently in progress at the Boston Garden, er, make that the Fleet Center. Why would a manufacturer of enema kits want its name associated with one of the two major political parties in this country? SignatureKevin Willoughby kevinwilloughby@acm.orgNoSpam.invalid Imagine that, a FROG ON-OFF switch, hardly the work for test pilots. -- Mike Collins >> > (Now I'm going to have nightmares about NASCAR-like CSMs and LMs. Neil >> > Armstrong plastered with a dozen brightly colored trademarks as he [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > sigh.... This is where I part company with the Libertarians. There > really are things in life that are more important than money. I think it's one way to finance things. Way back when, many semiconductor companies sold into the space market not to make money but since it was a high profile mission. Even today, you can read the press releases where they make hay from it. This figures into their business model. It's like the signs on the highway from corporations that sponsor sections of it to keep it clean from garbage. They do not want to get into the garbage business, it's seen as a good productive thing, and it perhaps makes things a bit cleaner. Note that I think there is more then enough money in football so that each kickoff does not need to be sponsored. But many in space want more cash to do things and it might be a reasonable model for private space biz to raise $ to get the job done. > My drive home was longer than usual because of the nonsense currently in > progress at the Boston Garden, er, make that the Fleet Center. Why would > a manufacturer of enema kits want its name associated with one of the > two major political parties in this country? Uh, cause what their product does is applicable to what needs to be done to politicians filling those convention halls? Sounds to me like someone is having quite the howl. ;-) Signaturerk, Just an OldEngineer "Dealing properly with very rare events is one of the attributes that distinguishes a design that is fit for safety-critical systems from one that is not." -- John Rushby in "A Comparison of Bus Architectures for Safety- Critical Embedded Systems," March 2003 |
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