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Space Forum / Space History / June 2004Astronauts Gone Wild available on DVD
Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity of the moon landings. His first was documentary style and intended as thought provoking, the latest movie 'Astronauts Gone Wild' is much more entertaining. Mr. Sibrel shows videotapes of each of his confrontations with Apollo astronauts. Whichever side of the fence you are on this DVD *is* entertaining and will make you laugh out loud. Astronauts 'caught' on tape are Michael Collins Neil Armstrong John Young Eugene Cernan Alfred Wordon Alan Bean Buzz Aldin Ed Mitchell William Anders JP > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity > of the moon landings. It will be a cold day in Hell before I'd do anything that might possibly contribute to Bart Sibrel's well-being. > > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity > > of the moon landings. > > It will be a cold day in Hell before I'd do anything that > might possibly contribute to Bart Sibrel's well-being. Is it on DVD? If so... copies will most assuredly start floating around. The magic of DVD piracy...  SignatureScott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address >Is it on DVD? If so... copies will most assuredly start floating around. >The magic of DVD piracy... ...Someone's already requested that it be posted on a.b.multimedia in order to help nuke his sales. Someone else has already promised to post it as soon as he gets it, and even offered to edit the audio with hysterical laughter after Bart makes a point. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > >Is it on DVD? If so... copies will most assuredly start floating around. > >The magic of DVD piracy... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > OM Bart sent me a complimentary copy of his first video; while his facts are not in order, he DOES put together an entertaining package. I wonder what "Mickey-Mousing" tune he uses for the segment where Buzz punches him? :-) > Bart sent me a complimentary copy of his first video; while his facts > are not in order, he DOES put together an entertaining package. You'll like the second film even more then, it's not as polished as the first but the entertainment value is certainly there. Bart is quite good at putting together films, he runs a 'filmmakers' workshop in Nashville and he will repeat the workshop due to its popularity with the students. I > wonder what "Mickey-Mousing" tune he uses for the segment where Buzz > punches him? :-) There is no music during the punching segment (or the other interviews) it's just the plain audio of what happened at the hotel that day as recorded by Bart's equipment. I didn't like the selection of music for his last segment 'getting waxed'. JP > > Bart sent me a complimentary copy of his first video; while his facts > > are not in order, he DOES put together an entertaining package. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > JP Awwww. He must be slacking. hee hee Again, his theory needs some serious work if he's going to get anyone to take it seriously (example: saying we couldn't have gone to the Moon since the Saturn V only has a range of 9,000 miles--HUH? Whoever said the Saturn V went to the Moon????) BUT, it was funny to watch his first video because he has some film-making skill. LaDonna > > Bart sent me a complimentary copy of his first video; while his facts > > are not in order, he DOES put together an entertaining package. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > JP I answered the second part and forgot to address the first; good to see his career is taking off. I just wish (because he TRULY IS a nice man; have you ever spoken with him?) he would find an argument that works if he's going to insist on the "Moon Hoax." It's embarrassing to hear him carry on about the range of the Saturn V--it is as though he has never spent five minutes reading or listening to how NASA "pretends" to have gone to the Moon so he can make a proper argument in response. >I answered the second part and forgot to address the first; good to >see his career is taking off. I just wish (because he TRULY IS a nice [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"pretends" to have gone to the Moon so he can make a proper argument >in response. But isn't that the simple truth? None of these hucksters seem to have spent more than five minutes checking facts that would get in the way of selling their stories. SignatureRemove spam and invalid from address to reply. > But isn't that the simple truth? None of these hucksters seem to have > spent more than five minutes checking facts that would get in the way of > selling their stories. More to the point, they rely on the fact that most people haven't spent five minutes checking the facts and will happily believe whatever garbage the hucksters put out rather than spend those five minutes to disprove them. Mark > >I answered the second part and forgot to address the first; good to > >see his career is taking off. I just wish (because he TRULY IS a nice [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > spent more than five minutes checking facts that would get in the way of > selling their stories. Unfortunately, Bart HAS "checked" his facts; he simply has not asked the right questions. He has taken the specs for the Saturn V to several scientists who have said, "Yes, the Saturn V only has a range of 9,000 miles." Well, wrong question. He is operating under the assumption that NASA is claiming the Saturn V went to the Moon and back, a distance of over 500,000 miles, so since the scientists tell him it will only go 9,000--voila, NASA is lying. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of gravity. But, as I said, he is well-meaning; I think he honestly believes NASA was trying to beat the Soviet Union in a propoganda war. LaDonna <snip> > I answered the second part and forgot to address the first; good to > see his career is taking off. I just wish (because he TRULY IS a nice > man; have you ever spoken with him?) he would find an argument that > works if he's going to insist on the "Moon Hoax." I have spoken with Bart. He occasionally plays Backgammon at the club I organize. As you say he's a really nice guy, a 'gentle giant', which is more than can be said for some of the astronauts he cornered. Some of their reactions ranged from juvenile to plain nasty, tho I suppose being a nice guy isn't a requirement to become an astronaut. The astronauts should be ashamed of themselves because their reactions play straight into Bart's hands in supporting the argument that they are hiding something. To his character, Bart never looses his cool regardless of the physical and verbal abuse he gets thrown at him. It's embarrassing > to hear him carry on about the range of the Saturn V--it is as though > he has never spent five minutes reading or listening to how NASA > "pretends" to have gone to the Moon so he can make a proper argument > in response. I've never heard him talk of that actually. Maybe he's changed his tack lately. His second film repeats the Van Allen Belt 'barrier', the one point of his I have the least respect for. The command module traveled fast and any exposure would have been short lived. Had it truly been a lethal barrier, it's donut shaped, and could have been skirted around if lethal doses were expected. Alan Bean actually shows his total ignorance of the Van Allen Belt in the movie indicating that he didn't think they traveled far enough to go through it, he therefore plays into Barts arguments. JP >I have spoken with Bart. He occasionally plays Backgammon at the club I >organize. As you say he's a really nice guy, a 'gentle giant', which is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >something. To his character, Bart never looses his cool regardless of >the physical and verbal abuse he gets thrown at him. ...Good lord, now we've got a Bart Sibrel apologist plaguing the group! Next thing you know, we'll be getting someone to suck up for Proxmire, Mondale, Nixon and Hitler. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > >I have spoken with Bart. He occasionally plays Backgammon at the club I > >organize. As you say he's a really nice guy, a 'gentle giant', which is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > group! Next thing you know, we'll be getting someone to suck up for > Proxmire, Mondale, Nixon and Hitler. Or Michael Moore, who is just a jumped-up Sibrel. SignatureScott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address > >I have spoken with Bart. He occasionally plays Backgammon at the club I > >organize. As you say he's a really nice guy, a 'gentle giant', which is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > OM I'm not his "apologist," which anyone with reading comprehension skills would realize. I'm simply saying he's not a kook; he's severely misinformed but well-meaning. He IS a nice person; have you spoken with him? (Answer: No.) LaDonna > I'm not his "apologist," which anyone with reading comprehension > skills would realize. You're "scott"'s apologist. >he's > severely misinformed Just like you! > but well-meaning. Fact not in evidence. > He IS a nice person; You could be, too, but you choose to be a troll. > (Answer: No.) This is what we get from you: no answer. As far as I can see OM has characterized me as a plague and Scott calls LaDonna a Troll. Why you choose to attack us personally is only know to you, but I find that type of behavior to be nothing more than juvenile name calling. Rather than discuss the topic at hand you discuss what you perceive the merits or lack thereof of the posters. For the sake of sanity it would be appreciated if you could keep your posts to the subject matter at hand. You might be surprised to hear me agreeing with some if not all of your opinions. JP >You might be surprised to hear me >agreeing with some if not all of your opinions. ...As long as you're kissing Sibrel's a.s instead of kicking it, don't expect one iota of respect from me, no matter how faux intelligent a game you play. Bart got what he deserved from Buzz Aldrin, the only sad part about it was that one of us regulars weren't there to finish the job after he threw the deserved first punch. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >>You might be surprised to hear me >>agreeing with some if not all of your opinions. > > ...As long as you're kissing Sibrel's a.s instead of kicking it, don't > expect one iota of respect from me, no matter how faux intelligent a > game you play. Ah so just because I happen to like someone whose opinions you hate, that makes you disrespect me. Please be aware that I have not defended any of Bart's opinions on the lunar landings. Merely saying he's a 'nice guy' without commenting on his opinions appears to give you the green light to launch an attack. If we all attacked folks we didn't agree with (and all people who 'liked them'), there wouldn't be much of us left. Bart got what he deserved from Buzz Aldrin, the only > sad part about it was that one of us regulars weren't there to finish > the job after he threw the deserved first punch. > > OM So you promote violence to settle a score. How revealing. This is a sad little group you guys frequent huh? JP >Ah so just because I happen to like someone whose opinions you hate, >that makes you disrespect me. Please be aware that I have not defended >any of Bart's opinions on the lunar landings. Merely saying he's a 'nice >guy' without commenting on his opinions appears to give you the green >light to launch an attack. If we all attacked folks we didn't agree with >(and all people who 'liked them'), there wouldn't be much of us left. ...Ok, I'll tell you what, JP - I'll do something I don't normally do in cases like this. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll even go so far as to welcome you to sci.space.history and hope your stay is as enjoyable as we tend to find it when scott grissom and his ilk aren't trashing the joint with their psychopathic trolling. And I mean that seriously, provided you keep in mind that there's a *reason* most of us not only applauded Buzz bashing in Bart's nose, but wished we were there to take over and finish the job. He may be an acquaintance of yours, and perhaps a friend, but regardless the guy's a nutcase *and* a huckster, and he's trampling on the memory of humanity's greatest achievement just to be a jerkwad *and* make a buck on the side. He deserves not only to have his face bashed in repeatedly, but have his balls kicked so hard that they're permanently imbedded between his shoulder blades. >So you promote violence to settle a score. How revealing. ...Actually, I promote violence when it's applicable. From my own experience there are times when talk and reasoning simply will have AbZero effect upon someone like Bart Sibrel. People like that you actually -have- to knock the living sh.t out of to get it through their head that they're in the wrong, and need to cut their sh.t before it becomes far more hazardous to their health than the scam is worth. Bart crossed that line with Buzz, and regretfully only got a taste of what he deserved. ...In any case, you seem like you might be a reasonable person who's not a sycophantic misanthrope out to defend an obvious whacko con artist, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt for now, and a lot of leeway that's going to be a bit uncharacteristic of me and will no doubt have some of the regulars wondering what drugs I'm on now(*). I would suggest, however, that if you're going to defend Bart's lies, slanders and obvious attempts at huckstering, while it's your right to do so, you'll guaranteed be lined up for tar and feathering in the original method of application so fast you won't know what hit you until the feathers are lit and you realize it's a good five miles to the nearest body of water. That's honestly not a threat, but a strong, friendly bit of advice :-) :-) (*) Ask me Tuesday after my 8am dental appointment, hopefully the last for the year... OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >...Actually, I promote violence when it's applicable. From my own >experience there are times when talk and reasoning simply will have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >before it becomes far more hazardous to their health than the scam is >worth. ... interesting theory. Completely depraved, which is why they tend to put people who practice in jail. Perhaps we'll get lucky one day, and someone will apply this theory to you ... >(*) Ask me Tuesday after my 8am dental appointment, hopefully the last >for the year... Hope it hurts. Nick > >...Actually, I promote violence when it's applicable. From my own > >experience there are times when talk and reasoning simply will have [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Nick R O F L M F A O!!!!!!!!!!!!! OM, looks like you've made another friend. **SMOOCH** LaDonna > R O F L M F A O!!!!!!!!!!!!! OM, looks like you've made another friend. **SMOOCH** Watch out, OM, Betty's not enough for her! >> R O F L M F A O!!!!!!!!!!!!! OM, looks like you've made another friend. >**SMOOCH** > >Watch out, OM, Betty's not enough for her! ...To sleep with either would truly be going where no man has gone before. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >I'm not his "apologist," which anyone with reading comprehension >skills would realize. I'm simply saying he's not a kook; he's >severely misinformed but well-meaning. We *have* reading skills LaDonna, which is why we label him a kook and you an apologist. D. SignatureTouch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. > > Bart sent me a complimentary copy of his first video; while his facts > > are not in order, he DOES put together an entertaining package. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I didn't like the selection of music for his last segment 'getting waxed'... Y'know, this sounds weird, but this could almost be the premise for a Michael Moore/Christopher Guest kind of satirical cinema-verite documentary, where the old Gemini/Apollo crewmen are confronted at some kind of big-shot event at, say, NASM, and asked their opinion of the evidence that the landings were faked. You know, have a wireless setup with a monitor that broadcasts "remote" replies -- like Letterman does a lot -- and confront them belligerently about it, and tape the reactions. Perhaps, just to keep the old boys from feeling used or getting the wrong idea, the filmmaker may want to sort of send a heads-up when shooting commences, and do the confrontations in times and places where the retired astros are together, socializing among themselves, relaxed, maybe killing off a drink or two, and are totally chilled out, not a regular "interview" situation. Perhaps reactions would be even better from astronauts hanging out in twos or threes -- maybe catch Beano and Dick Gordon together, wave a bunch of bullshit fotos from bullshit Web sites in front of them and accuse Beano of being in on the conspiracy because he didn't fry that camera by accident. Maybe corner Schmitt at the bar and accost him with those fotos from A17 with light reflected from the Kapton on the DS on the rocks. And, of course, work in some of that footage of Aldrin belting Sibrel. Shame, though, that the two guys who'd have been counted on to give us the best and most entertaining reactions -- Pete Conrad and Al Shepard -- aren't here anymore. I would've loved Conrad's reactions to the "evidence", probably something like "Who's this dumb cocksucker? Where'd he get these f.cking sh.t-a.s pictures? Stupid motherf..ker...hey, Buzz! BUZZ...!" Hell, I'll bet on that fateful day, Conrad would've gladly offered to hold Sibrel still so Aldrin could get a good solid punch in. Shepard would probably coolly insisted that "Al really was on the surface, and he knocked that ball a good mile and a half." Signature"All over, people changing their votes, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. ___________________________________________________________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org >> > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity >> > of the moon landings. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Is it on DVD? If so... copies will most assuredly start floating around. >The magic of DVD piracy... How about some still shots of Astronauts Gone Wild? http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Gemini/mcdivitt.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/ap1.JPG http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Miscellaneous/helmets.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap9-a.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/gt11-goofy.JPG http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/gt8-goofy.JPG http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/conrad-goofy.JPG http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/2tv1-crew.JPG http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/gt12-b.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/gt12-a.jpg http://www.lunarlegacies.com/gemini.htm ;-) - Rusty Barton > >> > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity > >> > of the moon landings. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > How about some still shots of Astronauts Gone Wild? Actually, some of my faves are from the "outtakes" of the sessions where the NASA "official portraits" were done, featuring Gemini/Apollo guys posing in bits of yellow rain slickers, spotlight shades, and including Pete Conrad's sensitive interpretation of Napoleon. Signature"All over, people changing their votes, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. ___________________________________________________________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org > >> > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity > >> > of the moon landings. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Gemini/mcdivitt.jpg Whoa, These'd be the ones. I don't remember this McDivitt shot, though. > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/ap1.JPG Sigh. <poigant quiet> Watch him as he rides. Damn. > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Miscellaneous/helmets.jpg D'ah ha hah. Power Rangers, power-up Shuttle! > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg Whoa. Creepy. Is this a grim inside joke of some kind? I remember Schirra, in an interview on PBS, discussing how some of the guys were ready state outright that they just didn't want to fly in Block I. Then, of course, was Grissom and the lemon on the Block I CM. > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap9-a.jpg I love Schweikart in this one. "Dayam, guys, it broke right in half! I don't wanna fly in Block I, either!" > http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Collection/gt8-goofy.JPG Yeah, _this_ is the one! Such feeling, Pete. Bravo. Signature"All over, people changing their votes, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. ___________________________________________________________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org >>http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg > > Whoa. Creepy. Is this a grim inside joke of some kind? I remember Schirra, > in an interview on PBS, discussing how some of the guys were ready state > outright that they just didn't want to fly in Block I. Then, of course, > was Grissom and the lemon on the Block I CM. Simulator. You forgot "Simulator". Grissom hung the lemon at the CM simulator. > >>http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Simulator. You forgot "Simulator". Grissom hung the lemon at the CM > simulator. D'oh. I stand corrected. Thanks. Signature"All over, people changing their votes, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. ___________________________________________________________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org >> http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg > > Whoa. Creepy. Is this a grim inside joke of some kind? I remember Schirra, > in an interview on PBS, discussing how some of the guys were ready state > outright that they just didn't want to fly in Block I. Then, of course, > was Grissom and the lemon on the Block I CM. This was the very photo which figured in the Apollo 1 episode of From the Earth to the Moon. In the film, the crew presented autographed copies of this photo to Joe Shea of NASA, and Harrison Storms of North American with an inscription reading something like: "It's not that we don't trust you, Joe and Stormy, but we've decided to appeal to a higher authority!" > >> http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/ap1-b.jpg > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > reading something like: "It's not that we don't trust you, Joe and Stormy, > but we've decided to appeal to a higher authority!" Actually, the one they gave to Joe Shea had an inscription that read "It's not that we don't trust you, Joe, but this time we've decided to go over your head." The one they gave to Storms had a somewhat different inscription (I used to know it, but I can't recall it at the moment -- it's given in the Storms biography "Angle of Attack," though). Doug dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:53:04 +0000, Doug wrote: >> This was the very photo which figured in the Apollo 1 episode >> of From the Earth to the Moon. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "It's not that we don't trust you, Joe, but this time we've decided to > go over your head." Okay, so I paraphrased a little bit. I did say "something like." Maybe I got FTETTM mixed a bit with that old Hebrew National Hot Dog commercial campaign. <G> >Okay, so I paraphrased a little bit. I did say "something like." Maybe I >got FTETTM mixed a bit with that old Hebrew National Hot Dog commercial >campaign. <G> ...Ah, yes, the ultimate contradiction in religious cuisine, second only to serving real burgers at a McDonald's(*) in New Delhi. Still, they're damn good hot dogs :-) (*) Yeah, yeah, I know, they don't serve real meat, only processed earthworms, but we're talking hypothetically here, dammit :-P OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >Maybe I >>got FTETTM mixed a bit with that old Hebrew National Hot Dog commercial [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only to serving real burgers at a McDonald's(*) in New Delhi. Still, > they're damn good hot dogs :-) Is there a contradiction? They are beef hot dogs made from the right parts of the cow and are certified Kosher. Of course, I'm a goyim, so I don't know all the rules. > (*) Yeah, yeah, I know, they don't serve real meat, only processed > earthworms, but we're talking hypothetically here, dammit :-P Well there was that little fracas when it came to light that Mickey D's was using beef products in the stuff in which they were frying their potatoes,* which caused an outcry amongst the Hindi's who thought that they were cow-free. * Avoiding the 'F' word, since it IS OM to whom I'm replying. <G> >Well there was that little fracas when it came to light that Mickey D's >was using beef products in the stuff in which they were frying their >potatoes,* which caused an outcry amongst the Hindi's who thought that >they were cow-free. This is the second time something like this has happened; ever hear of the Sepoy Mutiny? http://www.kdhs.org.uk/history/a/as_unit5/india_mutiny.htm Pat >> Well there was that little fracas when it came to light that Mickey D's >> was using beef products in the stuff in which they were frying their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the Sepoy Mutiny? > http://www.kdhs.org.uk/history/a/as_unit5/india_mutiny.htm That was actually the reverse. And I'm not sure that this was the case for McDonald's French Fries made in India. There are usually differences in chain restaurants from country to country. >That was actually the reverse. And I'm not sure >that this was the case for McDonald's French Fries >made in India. There are usually differences in >chain restaurants from country to country. ...Hell, there's even variations from state to state, and even different sides of town! We even had a McWormburger try to sell those Johnsonville Brats down here in Texas as an experiment. They sold just under a hundred of them in a month, as most Texans down here, it turns out, couldn't figure out that bratwurst is *not* the same thing as liverwurst, and since no Texan with any self-respect would be caught eating liver in any form...well, you see where this wound up. OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr > most Texans down here, it turns > out, couldn't figure out that bratwurst is *not* the same thing as > liverwurst, and since no Texan with any self-respect would be caught > eating liver in any form...well, you see where this wound up. No, no, no. All Texan's listen up. Liverwurst is indeed made from Livers. ergo, Bratwurst is made from Brats! >> (*) Yeah, yeah, I know, they don't serve real meat, only processed >> earthworms, but we're talking hypothetically here, dammit :-P [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >potatoes,* which caused an outcry amongst the Hindi's who thought that >they were cow-free. ...The biggest surprise was when they opened there and the joints actually were a success. At the same time, when the "cow fries" flap was resolved, sales in fries actually dropped when the new deep fry substitute was introduced. Seems they don't taste anywhere near the same as if you use the normal method. Just goes to show you that sometimes religious food rules can be more detrimental than good :-) >* Avoiding the 'F' word, since it IS OM to whom I'm replying. <G> ...Frog. The word is "Frog". Don't be afraid to call the French by their proper name :-) OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr [...] > ...Frog. The word is "Frog". Don't be afraid to call the French by > their proper name :-) Since when does OM use Brit protocol? /dps >[...] >> ...Frog. The word is "Frog". Don't be afraid to call the French by >> their proper name :-) > >Since when does OM use Brit protocol? ...Actually, it's one I picked up from an old _Boy Commandos_ story by Jack Kirby & Joe Simon from ~1942. Dan "Brooklyn" Turpin captures someone stalking the BCs, and when he begins to speak French he hollars to his commander and semi-parent Captain Rip Carter, "Hey! We caught a Frog!" The term, as I've always been told, refers to the fact that most native French speakers sound as if they've got a frog stuck in their throat when they talk. As for me speaking like a Limey, only when I'm quoting Python... OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:58:05 -0500, OM <om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_research_facility.org> wrote: > ...Actually, it's one I picked up from an old _Boy Commandos_ story by > Jack Kirby & Joe Simon from ~1942. Dan "Brooklyn" Turpin captures [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that most native French speakers sound as if they've got a frog stuck > in their throat when they talk. No, it's because Paris was founded in a marsh. The other French people called the Parisians "les Grounilles", "the frogs", because they lived in the marsh. The Parisians, like Americans with "Yankee Doodle", adopted this derogatory nickname for their own. Then, by extension, the English picked up the Parisian nickname and applied it to the populace of the entire country. This usage spread to the colonies, of course. It didn't hurt that characterizing the French as Frogs was a pure gift to political cartoonists. Mary SignatureMary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer miliff@qnet.com >No, it's because Paris was founded in a marsh. ...Mary, you believe what you want to on this. As long as the French speak like they've got a lillypad-loving amphibian stuck in their throat, that's the reason they'll always be Frogs to me. Oh, and don't assume that all of us Americans hold water with that "Yankee Doodle" crap. At least, not south of the Yankee-Dixon line... OM Signature"No bastard ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb bastard die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr >As long as the French > speak like they've got a lillypad-loving amphibian stuck in their > throat, that's the reason they'll always be Frogs to me. *Once again*, The Simpsons has it right! > > ...Actually, it's one I picked up from an old _Boy Commandos_ story by > > Jack Kirby & Joe Simon from ~1942. Dan "Brooklyn" Turpin captures [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to the colonies, of course. It didn't hurt that characterizing the > French as Frogs was a pure gift to political cartoonists. There goes that lovely theory about it being a reference to eating frog legs. I do have reports of Wellington's troops using the term, though. Among other epithets. /dps > ...Actually, it's one I picked up from an old _Boy Commandos_ story by > Jack Kirby & Joe Simon from ~1942. Dan "Brooklyn" Turpin captures [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that most native French speakers sound as if they've got a frog stuck > in their throat when they talk. What I've always noticed is that many native French speakers, particularly middle or upper class Parisians, speak French as if it were a second language. (I don't actually know French, but they .... have these .... awkward sorts .... of pauses .... in their sentences. Which to .... me .... sounds like they are .... how you say .... looking for the .... right word?) > > ...Actually, it's one I picked up from an old _Boy Commandos_ story by > > Jack Kirby & Joe Simon from ~1942. Dan "Brooklyn" Turpin captures [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > awkward sorts .... of pauses .... in their sentences. Which to .... me .... > sounds like they are .... how you say .... looking for the .... right word?) Like the Tsar speaking Russian? /dps That was great! Thanks for sharing. SignatureRegards, Mike Combs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- We should ask, critically and with appeal to the numbers, whether the best site for a growing advancing industrial society is Earth, the Moon, Mars, some other planet, or somewhere else entirely. Surprisingly, the answer will be inescapable - the best site is "somewhere else entirely." Gerard O'Neill - "The High Frontier" This guy needs to get a life. Cause god knows he needs it. > Bart Sibrel has released his second movie questioning the authenticity > of the moon landings. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > JP |
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