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Msnbc.com (Oberg): The war of words over war in space

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JimO - 16 Apr 2004 19:46 GMT
Msnbc.com (Oberg): The war of words over war in space

Terminology touches off Pentagon test tempest

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4732874/

caption: An artist's conception shows the Near Field Infrared Experiment
monitoring the ascent of a ballistic missile from orbit. Department of
Defense

ANALYSIS

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst

Special to MSNBC

Updated: 1:37 p.m. ET April  16, 2004

HOUSTON - Is the United States really on the verge of putting weapons into
orbit? Careless usage of provocative terminology appears to have converted a
fairly routine upcoming military space test into a cause celebre for
international arms control, and a potentially hot topic for the presidential
race.

Internet bulletin boards are abuzz over a test planned by the U.S. Missile
Defense Agency later this year, involving a payload called the Near Field
Infrared Experiment, or NFIRE. The test is aimed at perfecting a sensor
system that could track and destroy enemy missiles.

NFIRE would be sent into space aboard a commercial Minotaur launcher from
NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia. Once the satellite is in orbit,
a small sensor platform would be deployed, and try to get as close as
possible to the rocket plume of another missile.

That platform happens to be a modified warhead, originally designed to knock
down enemy missiles in the Pentagon's experimental short-range defense
system. When the warhead is used in a missile defense system, it's known as
a "kill vehicle." That name has carried over for the NFIRE test — and that
is what's causing all the trouble.

For NFIRE, the kill vehicle's fangs have been pulled: It lacks the steering
jets that would be required to ram a target in space. Pentagon officials
told MSNBC.com that this kill vehicle couldn't kill anything.

But the mere fact that the thing is still called a kill vehicle has set
alarms ringing around the world: The Moscow Times said NFIRE would mark a
"sinister milestone," when the United States would break "a long-held taboo
and launch the first weapon into the global commons of outer space."
ABCNews.com called it the "first real step" toward the "unprecedented
weaponization of space."

The Pentagon sources acknowledged to MSNBC.com, on condition of anonymity,
that NFIRE is associated with space research for a future weapons system.
But they said the system itself would not necessarily be based in space —
nor would it attack "space objects." It's a subtle distinction, but one
worth exploring in depth, particularly in light of the media alarm.

The actual mission

NFIRE is part of the Pentagon's research for developing what's known as a
boost-phase missile defense system. The idea is that soon after an enemy
missile is launched, an interceptor missile would blast off and home in on
the infrared signature of the enemy missile's hot rocket exhaust.

In this scenario, the interceptor would indeed maneuver itself to knock the
missile out of the sky. But the job would have to be done during the boost
phase — before the enemy warhead reached outer space. Once the missile's
fuel is exhausted and the enemy warhead or satellite is coasting, the
infrared sensors wouldn't do any good.

That's not to say Pentagon officials haven't thought about basing weapons in
space. In fact, they've been thinking about it for almost a half century.
But a space-based system would require 100 or more separate satellites, and
Pentagon officials say NFIRE doesn't represent any move toward such
technology.

In this case, the term "kill vehicle" refers to a category of existing space
vehicle, not to its function on this test flight, the Pentagon officials
insisted. So whose bright idea it was to use a name bound to spark
controversy? MSNBC.com found out it was so named by the engineers who built
it.

'Kill vehicle' not quite dead

Still, the macho boosterism of flaunting a "kill vehicle" on a space mission
shows up in a number of forums. In February 2003, when the Pentagon's
Missile Defense Agency reported to Congress on its upcoming research, it
expressed pride in the kill vehicle, even if the one on the first NFIRE test
would be a non-maneuvering one:  "The Generation 2 kill vehicle (KV) will be
integrated into the experiment payload," the report stated, adding that such
platforms would be  "the first KVs with the performance to reliably achieve
boost phase intercept." The non-weapon status of this particular piece of
flight hardware thus seems to be purely a matter of configuration, not
ultimate capability.

And just a couple of weeks ago, at a March 25 budget hearing of the Senate
Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, a Pentagon official was
asked specifically about NFIRE and space-based weapons.

"It is my understanding that this portion of the program would enable MDA to
develop technology that can be applied to space-based weapons," Sen. Daniel
Akaka, D-Hawaii, told Air Force Undersecretary Peter Teets. "My question to
you is, is the NFIRE program intended to pursue space weapons capabilities?
If not,

what safeguards are being placed on the NFIRE program to stop it from
turning into such a program?"

"It is true that the kind of capability that NFIRE will have could, with a
different concept of operations, be used as a space-based weapon
capability," Teets replied. "But there's no such concept of operations that
I'm aware of that is under consideration at this point in time, and  this
NFIRE sensor will indeed be a sensor that looks at an infrared plume real
close up and personal."

A modified kill vehicle had to be used for the test, Teets said, because "I
don't know how else you can do that — I mean, if you're going to get close
to it, you're not going to do it with an airplane."

Pentagon officials insisted that they didn't consider the NFIRE experiment
to be a step toward "weaponizing" space. Even such a plan were approved by
the government, one official said, it would be several years more "before we
will consider launching even a small experimental space-based interceptor
satellite constellation."

Tilting at space windmills?

So if the NFIRE test is as described by the Pentagon, it wouldn't put an
actual weapon in space, and it wouldn't be intended to test a space-based
weapon system. But even if any of that were true, NFIRE wouldn't represent
"the first time in history that any nation has put a weapon in space," as
claimed by The Moscow Times.

In fact, there is significant irony that such an assertion would appear in a
newspaper in Russia. Space historians realize that the Soviet Union excelled
at putting weapons into orbit during the Cold War, weapons without any
American counterpart. First there was a space-to-space orbital
killer-satellite, then a military jet interceptor cannon that was mounted on
a manned space station in the Salyut program.

In 1986, the first test flight of the Energia super-booster carried a
100-ton test payload for an antisatellite beam weapon. Other programs
involved placing dummy thermonuclear weapons into low orbits for first
strikes against North America. All of these projects collapsed with the fall
of the Soviet Union, but their erstwhile existence cannot be denied by any
serious investigator.

As for NFIRE's missile plume measurements, they are follow-ons to
observational programs the Defense Department has performed for decades,
from the ground, from aircraft, from unmanned satellites, and even in 1991
from a space shuttle flight. Soviet cosmonauts made similar observations
from Salyut and Mir space stations.

The new tests could well contribute engineering data for the design and
development of an antimissile system whose warheads could be based on land,
on ships, or even potentially in space. These potential strategies are
worthy of public debate, but the only hope for a productive discussion is a
firm foundation in reality — and the latest alarms over "weapons in space"
fail to provide this.
Christopher M. Jones - 17 Apr 2004 01:09 GMT
[snip]
> But the mere fact that the thing is still called a kill vehicle has set
> alarms ringing around the world: The Moscow Times said NFIRE would mark a
> "sinister milestone," when the United States would break "a long-held taboo
> and launch the first weapon into the global commons of outer space."
> ABCNews.com called it the "first real step" toward the "unprecedented
> weaponization of space."

Geez.  This from the country whose predecessor launched
Almaz, Polyus, and successfully tested, multiple times, a
co-orbital anti-satellite weapon system.

"Unprecedented" indeed.
Doug... - 17 Apr 2004 10:08 GMT
> [snip]
> > But the mere fact that the thing is still called a kill vehicle has set
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Almaz, Polyus, and successfully tested, multiple times, a
> co-orbital anti-satellite weapon system.

And a country that armed one of the Almaz stations (the military
Salyuts) with a cannon, forgodsakes...

Doug
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JimO - 17 Apr 2004 12:57 GMT
"Doug..." <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> wrote in
> And a country that armed one of the Almaz stations (the military
> Salyuts) with a cannon, forgodsakes...

But you guys realize you are CHEATING -- you are  basing
your views on historical facts, not cartoons and Hollywood.
LooseChanj - 17 Apr 2004 18:26 GMT
> "Doug..." <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> wrote in
>> And a country that armed one of the Almaz stations (the military
>> Salyuts) with a cannon, forgodsakes...
> But you guys realize you are CHEATING -- you are  basing
> your views on historical facts, not cartoons and Hollywood.

Well, if you're gonna get all persnickity about it...I think we should have a
moment of silence for the 8 year old Colorado boy killed by Mir when it crashed
in the rockies in '97.
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HAESSIG Frédéric Pierre Tamatoa - 18 Apr 2004 10:12 GMT
Doug... <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> a écrit dans le message :
MPG.1aeab147ebafef4098971d@news-server.mn.rr.com...
> > [snip]
> > > But the mere fact that the thing is still called a kill vehicle has set
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> And a country that armed one of the Almaz stations (the military
> Salyuts) with a cannon, forgodsakes...

????

I thought only the Polyus was armed and the launch failed.

Am I wrong?
Doug... - 18 Apr 2004 18:23 GMT
> Doug... <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> a écrit dans le message :
> MPG.1aeab147ebafef4098971d@news-server.mn.rr.com...
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Am I wrong?

Sort of.  It's speculated that the Polyus didn't fail -- that Gorbachev
didn't want it launched, and that when he was informed of its pending
launch, his orders to stop it got there too late -- but in time to get
it aborted in flight.

And yes, the second Almaz station (Salyut 5, IIRC) was equipped with a
cannon.  I believe it's been compared to a Noodlinger cannon --
supposedly recoiless.  And yes, it was test-fired.  What the bloody hell
the Sovs thought they were going to fire at with it is beyond me,
though...

Doug
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Pat Flannery - 18 Apr 2004 18:59 GMT
>And yes, it was test-fired.  What the bloody hell
>the Sovs thought they were going to fire at with it is beyond me,
>though...

One would hope that they shot it backwards in relation to the direction
of the stations orbit, so that the shells decelerated into Earth's
atmosphere; do it the other way around and you might still have live
cannon rounds whizzing around up there...now that's space debris with a
vengeance.

Pat
Christopher M. Jones - 19 Apr 2004 00:57 GMT
> One would hope that they shot it backwards in relation to the direction
> of the stations orbit, so that the shells decelerated into Earth's
> atmosphere; do it the other way around and you might still have live
> cannon rounds whizzing around up there...now that's space debris with a
> vengeance.

To be fair, it wouldn't really make all that much difference.
The bullets would be travelling at maybe up to 1,500 m/s,
but more likely around 800-1,000 m/s.  Now compare that to
the speeds of GTO stages and such-like.  There's already
plenty of space junk out there which is more dangerous than
those bullets.
Pat Flannery - 19 Apr 2004 05:06 GMT
>To be fair, it wouldn't really make all that much difference.
>The bullets would be travelling at maybe up to 1,500 m/s,
>but more likely around 800-1,000 m/s.  Now compare that to
>the speeds of GTO stages and such-like.  There's already
>plenty of space junk out there which is more dangerous than
>those bullets.

On the other hand, they are dense....and probable explosive to boot.
Given the firing rate of Nudelmann cannons (850 to 1,300 RPM in the case
of the NR-23; 1,000 RPM for the NR-30) it wouldn't take more than a few
seconds of firing to generate a lot of  space debris. Years ago, I
pointed out that you could really screw up LEO with a 7.62 MM minigun
and a Shuttle cargo bay full of ammo- just start traversing the thing
through the forward hemisphere of the Shuttle's orbital path and let fly.

Pat
HAESSIG Frédéric Pierre Tamatoa - 18 Apr 2004 22:38 GMT
Doug... <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> a écrit dans le message :
MPG.1aec752cbd5264a8989726@news-server.mn.rr.com...

> > Doug... <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> a écrit dans le message :
> > MPG.1aeab147ebafef4098971d@news-server.mn.rr.com...
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Doug
> dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com

Thanks for the info.
Peter Stickney - 19 Apr 2004 13:35 GMT
>> Doug... <dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com> a écrit dans le message :
>> MPG.1aeab147ebafef4098971d@news-server.mn.rr.com...
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> the Sovs thought they were going to fire at with it is beyond me,
> though...

Noodlinger?  No, no Noodlingers. I think you're conflating
Nudelmann-Richter.  Nudelmann, (first in cooperation with Suranov, and
then with Richter, was teh main designer of Automatic Guns for Soviet
airplanes in the 1950s, into the 1960s.  The NS-37 was a big,
slow-firing low velocity 37mm gun, used on the MiG-15 and MiG-17.
The MiG015 and -17 also used teh Nudelmann-Righter NS-23, in 23mm.
(One of the problems with MiG gunnery in those days was the mismatch
of ballistics between the tyo types of gun - the points of aim between
the 37mm and 23mm weren't even close.

Nudelmann's Piece de Resistance was the NS-30, a single-barrell
reciprocating (Like a machine gum) 30mm gun.  It fired a heavy shell
at a fairly high velocity, with a fair rate of fire.
They were also not recoilless. at all.
(Projectile mass  410g,
Muzzle Velocity   780m/sec
Rate of Fire     900/min

In fact, the recoil impulse would be 319.8 kg-m/sec/shot,
or 4797 kg-m/sec/sec.  Not inconsideratble at all, really.

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Doug... - 19 Apr 2004 15:28 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Noodlinger?  No, no Noodlingers. I think you're conflating
> Nudelmann-Richter.

Yes, of course I was.  Slight memory fart -- I was quoting from memory,
which is always dangerous... *smile*...

Doug
dvandorn@NOSPAM.mn.rr.com
Pat Flannery - 18 Apr 2004 18:36 GMT
>>And a country that armed one of the Almaz stations (the military
>>Salyuts) with a cannon, forgodsakes...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Am I wrong?

Salyut 3 (Almaz OPS) carried a Nudelmann cannon to defend itself from
U.S. spacecraft: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/almazops.htm
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/almaz_ops2.html

Pat
Pat Flannery - 18 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT
>Geez.  This from the country whose predecessor launched
>Almaz, Polyus, and successfully tested, multiple times, a
>co-orbital anti-satellite weapon system.
>
>"Unprecedented" indeed.

That was exactly what I thought when I read that statement. Russia's
hands aren't clean in regards to this by any stretch of the imagination.
Hell, we didn't put a cannon on Skylab.

Pat
 
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