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Torre Bert station - zeus network (Italy 1960-65) ?

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Thierry - 29 Feb 2004 20:58 GMT
Hi,

I am achieving a big file about the history of ham radio.
I would like to know if someone could provide me any information, recording
or picture about the "Torre Bert" station and "Zeus" space tracking network
that was setup between 1960-1965 in Italy ?
All info is welcome using the form available on my website.

Thanks in advance

73
Thierry, ON4SKY
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry

Here is a short information extracted from my website (info not published
yet).

Torre Bert and the Zeus network

In Italy for example, by the end of 1960, two young Turino brothers fan of
ham radio, Achille and Gian Battista Judica-Cordiglia setup the first
amateur tracking station "Torre Bert". Their golad was to picked up the
first telemetry signals and other downlinks messages from the first
satellites launched by Russia then by NASA. A first in all fields !

While Jodrell Bank had invested 1.6 million sterling pounds to track
satellites, that USAF spent 15 millions dollars at Tyngsboro, MA, and that a
Turino industrial built a parabolic dish at 2 millions lira, our two young
amateurs had only 18,000 lira. So the only solution was to build themselves
the equipment. With an extraordinary ingenuity they achieved their objective
in a couple of years and were able to track any satellite passing nearby. In
1965 they created the Zeus network that counted 17 stations spread over the
world. Their installation was so sophisticated that there were able to
forecast 12 hours ahead that Lunik IV launched by Russian to the Moon should
miss its target from 8000 km. In fact it flew 8497 km from the Moon.

During its short existence, Torre Bert recorded some sensational messages
from space. On November 28, 1960 for example they picked up this enigmatic
message : "SOS TO ALL WORLD". The message was transmitted from a spacecraft
in movement and was sent three times. Amateurs in Germany and Texas received
the same message. Three days later, Russian recognized that one of their
launches failed, but they didn't make allusion to a human passenger. A
similar recording was picked up on May 17, 1961 coming from a crew of
several cosmonauts. Nobody will never know what happened as long as Russian
will not decide to speak. A third message was recorded on February 1961.
Presented to the famous hearth surgeon Dr Dogliotti, he affirmed that we
heard the fast beating of a dying hearth. The brothers were convinced that
Russian didn't shrink from sacrifying human lifes to affirm their mastering
of space.

In 1964, after have won 1,8 millions lira at a TV-game dealing with the
space conquest, our young Turino visited the USA and the various space
centers of Alabama, Florida, Maryland and Texas, where they did the
admiration of American engineers by the extent of their know-how. Slowly
hams were preparing their entry in the world of space communication.

Thierry, ON4SKY
OM - 29 Feb 2004 21:11 GMT
>73
>Thierry, ON4SKY

...Man, that callsign is just too scarily coincedental for my tastes
:-)

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OM - 29 Feb 2004 21:13 GMT
>During its short existence, Torre Bert recorded some sensational messages
>from space. On November 28, 1960 for example they picked up this enigmatic
>message : "SOS TO ALL WORLD".

...Well, if there wasn't a justification for a ban on cloning, this
has to be it. Geo, anything you want to tell us about your "kid" here?

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Thierry - 29 Feb 2004 23:30 GMT
OK, I found the info here http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/
It is not impartial but some links are.

Thierry

> Hi,
>
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>
> Thierry, ON4SKY
OM - 01 Mar 2004 00:41 GMT
>OK, I found the info here http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/

...Anyone who didn't see this one coming deserves to be bitchslapped
:-P

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Pat Flannery - 01 Mar 2004 08:15 GMT
>...Anyone who didn't see this one coming deserves to be bitchslapped

And then wrapped in the Holy Shroud Of Turin, with a bronze I Ching coin
over each eye.

Pat
John Beaderstadt - 01 Mar 2004 11:00 GMT
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:41:53 -0600, OM
<om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_research_facility.org>
wrote:

>>OK, I found the info here http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/
>
>...Anyone who didn't see this one coming deserves to be bitchslapped

Jeez.  How long are we going to have to keep going over the same
ground?  This quote from the site:  "There is still no rational
explanation, nearly ten years after the fall of the communist regimes
of eastern Europe, for the permanence of a curtain of silence over the
loss of a number of soviet cosmonauts, at the beginning of the space
program."

Yes there is a rational explanation:  it never happened.  Read my sig.

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Beady's Corollary to Occam's Razor:  "The likeliest explanation of any phenomenon is almost always the most boring one imaginable."
Thierry - 03 Mar 2004 11:16 GMT
> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:41:53 -0600, OM
> <om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_research_facility.org>
> wrote:
>....

> > Jeez.  How long are we going to have to keep going over the same
> ground?  This quote from the site:  "There is still no rational
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Yes there is a rational explanation:  it never happened.  Read my sig.

Hi,

I 'd have a tendency to beleive you of course but  TASS and the Chinese
Space Agency recently claimed that the Soviets launched and lost several
"secret cosmonauts" before and after the flight of Gagarin...
Of course I wonder who can ever confirm these facts... We need proofs and
evidences, not speeches and for 40 years now we have not the least
confirmation of these accidents... but in any case, without formal proof,
we can not affirm "No there was any", or only at 99% of confidence. As long
as we have not access to all archives, the 1% or so will remain.

Thierry, ON4SKY
http://www.atrosurf.com/lombry

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Pat Flannery - 01 Mar 2004 08:12 GMT
>OK, I found the info here http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/
>It is not impartial but some links are.
>
>Thierry

You may want to read this also: http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/
....and more specifically, this part of Sven's site:
http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/Torre/TorreB.html

Pat
Thierry - 01 Mar 2004 14:55 GMT
Indeed. I knew this info.
Lostcosmonaut if far to be impartial and objective about the recordings....
In the meantime I had the brothers website url too :
http://www.judicacordiglia.com/
I also learnt that they were preparing the publication of a book dealing
with Torre Bert, not yet released.
I tried to contact them, no answer up to know.

Thanks.
Thierry, ON4SKY

> >OK, I found the info here http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/
> >It is not impartial but some links are.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Pat
Martin Postranecky - 01 Mar 2004 13:41 GMT
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, it was written :
-------------------------------------
> I am achieving a big file about the history of ham radio.
> I would like to know if someone could provide me any information, recording
> or picture about the "Torre Bert" station and "Zeus" space tracking network
> that was setup between 1960-1965 in Italy ?
> All info is welcome using the form available on my website.

You want to read the Sven Grahn site, see :
http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/trackin1.htm#Various

Also, James Oberg may have something relevant to say, see :

http://www.jamesoberg.com/index.html
http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html

and especially

http://www.astronautix.com/articles/phapart1.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/phapart2.htm

Good luck !

Cheers,
    Martin
Thierry - 01 Mar 2004 15:23 GMT
Thanks Martin.
Very interesting.

Thierry

> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, it was written :
> -------------------------------------
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> Cheers,
> Martin
Giovanni Abrate - 03 Mar 2004 01:50 GMT
Yawn....

Gio
OM - 03 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT
>Yawn....

...I agree. I can tolerate and accept *you* pushing the Lost
Cosmonuts, Geo, because you're -not- psychotic just horribly taken in
by the J-C Bros. This guy, on the other hand, appears totally
clueless. I figure by next week he'll be claiming that the Ark didn't
land on Ararat, but on McKinley.

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Pat Flannery - 03 Mar 2004 07:39 GMT
>...I agree. I can tolerate and accept *you* pushing the Lost
>Cosmonuts, Geo, because you're -not- psychotic just horribly taken in
>by the J-C Bros. This guy, on the other hand, appears totally
>clueless. I figure by next week he'll be claiming that the Ark didn't
>land on Ararat, but on McKinley.

I could never understand how all those animals were supposed to fit in
it; it was only about four or five feet long in that movie where Indiana
Jones found it.... ;-)

pat
Neil Gerace - 03 Mar 2004 07:46 GMT
> >...I agree. I can tolerate and accept *you* pushing the Lost
> >Cosmonuts, Geo, because you're -not- psychotic just horribly taken in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it; it was only about four or five feet long in that movie where Indiana
> Jones found it.... ;-)

"Right ... What's a cubit?"
-- Bill Cosby
OM - 04 Mar 2004 09:00 GMT
>"Right ... What's a cubit?"

...It's that puzzle Rubit invented back around '80 that took the world
by storm.

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Herb Schaltegger - 03 Mar 2004 15:04 GMT
>>...I agree. I can tolerate and accept *you* pushing the Lost
>>Cosmonuts, Geo, because you're -not- psychotic just horribly taken in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it; it was only about four or five feet long in that movie where Indiana
> Jones found it.... ;-)

DNA sequences encoded in quantum memory patterns, Pat.  The whole
Moses/Ark/"marching in two by two . . " is a metaphor for interstellar
colonization.  At least, that's what the voices in my head tell me when I
forget to line my hat with tinfoil. :-P

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Neil Gerace - 04 Mar 2004 01:20 GMT
> DNA sequences encoded in quantum memory patterns, Pat.  The whole
> Moses/Ark/"marching in two by two . . "

Noah: "Riiiight."   :)

Bill Cosby, _Noah_
Giovanni Abrate - 06 Mar 2004 23:28 GMT
Amen!
Gio.

> ...I agree. I can tolerate and accept *you* pushing the Lost
> Cosmonuts, Geo, because you're -not- psychotic just horribly taken in
> by the J-C Bros.
> OM
 
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