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Small, cheap, reusable rocket launcher

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Andrew Nowicki - 05 Jul 2006 14:57 GMT
The rocket launchers are not economical because they
are not reusable. When they reenter the atmosphere,
their slender bodies soak up so much heat from the
ambient atmosphere that they burn up. The Space
Shuttle is somewhat reusable, but its slender body
has to be protected with a thermal protection system
that is expensive (because it covers large surface)
and unreliable (because it has to be lightweight despite
its large size). A rocket launcher shaped like a big
conical reentry capsule would be more reusable than the
Space Shuttle because its thermal protection system
would be smaller (because it would cover only the bottom
surface of the cone) and cheaper.

The conventional rocket launchers are shaped like a
pencil to minimize aerodynamic drag during the first
minute of the flight. A cone-shaped rocket launcher
would generate too much drag unless it was slowly lifted
above the dense part of the atmosphere (to the altitude
of about 30 kilometers) with a balloon or a helicopter.
Hydrogen balloons are cheap, but not reusable. Helicopters
are reusable, but they need special engines that can
operate at the altitude of 30 kilometers. There are
three such engines:
1. Hydrogen peroxide monopropellant turbine has simple
  design, but the monopropellant is rather expensive
  and its catalyst bed can be contaminated with commercial
  grade monopropellant.
2. Steamjet engine is described in U.S. patent 6,202,404.
  Its most practicable implementation, called mass injection
  precompressor cooling (MIPCC) is a turbojet cooled with
  copious amounts of water and liquid oxygen. The cooling
  enables the turbojet to generate thrust up to the altitude
  of about 30 km. More info: http://tinyurl.com/msqra
3. Electric motors are cheap and can operate at the altitude
  of 30 km. Their energy source can be either a battery or a
  generator standing on the ground. The motors and the
  batteries need a cooling system when they operate at high
  altitude.
3a.Magnesium hydride battery with Ni catalyst has the highest
  energy density (http://www.energyadvocate.com/batts.htm)
  but it is not yet mature technology. Li-ion batteries have
  energy density of only 534 kJ/kg, but they are very reliable
  and reusable. (They provide auxiliary power for my laptop
  computer.) The Li-ion batteries can be used as the power
  source if used up batteries are discarded during the flight.
  It takes about 300 watts of helicopter power to lift 1 kg
  of weight. At the beginning of the flight the total weight
  of the batteries is about one half of the launcher weight.
  During 15 minutes of vertical flight the helicopter reaches
  its maximum altitude of 30 km, drops off nearly all its
  batteries on parachutes, and finally drops off the launcher.
  When the helicopter descends, most of its propellers (rotors)
  are used as wind turbines which provide power for the
  remaining propellers. The last batteries are used up during
  landing.
  My laptop batteries cost $418/kg. Assuming payload fraction
  of 6 percent and total battery weight of one half the
  launcher weight, the batteries cost 418/0.06/2 = $3483 per
  kilogram of payload. The capital cost of the batteries may
  seem rather high, but the batteries are reusable and very
  easy to use.
3b.Aluminum wires linking the motors with a high voltage generator
  standing on the ground are expensive and difficult to use.
  High voltage generators are available from many sources, for
  example: http://www.kato-eng.com/hacgen.html They cost about
  $0.1/W. At the payload fraction of 6 percent, the generator
  cost is about 0.1*300/0.06 = $5556 per kilogram of payload.
  In the absence of the generator, the power is provided by
  the grid. The cost of connecting to the grid depends on the
  distance; electrical utilities charge between $10,000 and
  $50,000 per kilometer of transmission line.
  The wires must be reinforced with strong (Zylon) rope and
  suspended on balloons so that they do not touch the ground. The
  design of such helicopter is similar to the design of airborne
  wind turbine generator: http://www.skywindpower.com
  The helicopter is vulnerable to lightenings and strong winds,
  so it must fly near the equator (away from the jet streams):
  http://www.skywindpower.com/ww/page010.htm.

Electric motors powered by batteries are the best choice because
they are cheap, reliable, safe, and easy to use. If the helicopter
lifts the rocket launcher above the dense part of the atmosphere,
the launcher can transport payloads that have low density and large
size, for example large space telescope or large greenhouse. THE
LAUNCHER SCALES DOWN VERY WELL BECAUSE IT IS REUSABLE AND BECAUSE
ITS ATMOSPHERIC DRAG IS NEGLIGABLE. ITS TRUNCATED CONICAL SHAPE
LEAVES PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A VERY LARGE EXHAUST NOZZLE WHICH IMPROVES
THE EXPANSION RATIO AND SPECIFIC IMPULSE. LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, THE
SHAPE OF THE EXHAUST NOZZLE IS OPTIMIZED FOR FLIGHT IN THE VACUUM,
BECAUSE IT IS NOT USED IN THE DENSE ATMOSPHERE. This means that a
little guy can cobble together a little rocket launcher that has high
specific impulse despite its primitive, low-pressure design, and
that he can compete on launch cost with the giants of the industry
(if he can afford the legal expenses). If the launcher has three
stages, only the last stage has to be protected with the expensive
composite called reinforced carbon-carbon. The second stage can be
protected with a thick coating of silicone rubber. The first stage
does not need any thermal protection.
Mike Swift - 18 Jul 2006 10:29 GMT
> The rocket launchers are not economical because they
> are not reusable. When they reenter the atmosphere,
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
> protected with a thick coating of silicone rubber. The first stage
> does not need any thermal protection.

Ideas similar to this have been proposed in the past.  The reason you do
not see anyone with money pushing them is that there is at least one
element in the plan that has no physical or economic solution.  Until a
solution to that element is found there is no need to even consider any
of the other elements.  

In your idea the helicopter seems to me to be one of those difficult
elements.  You should lookup information on how lift is generated in
helicopters, and wing theory.  Note that you are especially interested
in flight in the very low density air at 30 km.  Start with your rocket
weight say 40,000 kg and you assume the helicopter, motors, and wires
etc are made from that miracle material engineers like to specify,
unobtainium. :-)  You may find that the blades of the helicopter must be
several hundred meters in length before you add the weight of the weight
of the other items.  

Now go hit the books and report back what you find about the rotor
diameter and RPM needed to support the assumed weight of the rocket at
the altitude you pick to start the rocket launch at.

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alexterrell@yahoo.com - 20 Jul 2006 20:29 GMT
> In your idea the helicopter seems to me to be one of those difficult
> elements.  You should lookup information on how lift is generated in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> several hundred meters in length before you add the weight of the weight
> of the other items.

As I understand it, helicopters are unable to rescue people off Mount
Everest, K2 or other mountains. It seems that the Pakistani army has
special helicopters that can go up over 6,000 metres.
Damon Hill - 12 Aug 2006 07:18 GMT
alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote in news:1153423748.965872.310530
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> As I understand it, helicopters are unable to rescue people off Mount
> Everest, K2 or other mountains. It seems that the Pakistani army has
> special helicopters that can go up over 6,000 metres.

A helicopter has recently landed on top of Everest, but I doubt it
had any payload beyond the pilot.  I didn't think helicopters could
go that high myself.

http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/general/expeditions/helicopteronever
estmakeshistory/

--Damon
alexterrell@yahoo.com - 22 Aug 2006 09:59 GMT
> alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote in news:1153423748.965872.310530
> @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/general/expeditions/helicopteronever
> estmakeshistory/

I think the link is wrong - I found it here
http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/climb/expeditions/helicopteroneverestmake
shistory/index.html


interesting article
alexterrell@yahoo.com - 22 Aug 2006 10:01 GMT
> alexterrell@yahoo.com wrote in news:1153423748.965872.310530
> @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> --Damon

Quote:
"The remarkable Eurocopter flight breaks the World Record for the
highest altitude landing and take-off ever, for any flying machine on
Earth, and sets an undeniable milestone in the history of aviation."

I don't think this record will be beaten any time soon!
Rick Jones - 24 Aug 2006 21:32 GMT
> Quote:
> "The remarkable Eurocopter flight breaks the World Record for the
> highest altitude landing and take-off ever, for any flying machine on
> Earth, and sets an undeniable milestone in the history of aviation."

> I don't think this record will be beaten any time soon!

Well, of course not - there is no higher place on Earth on which
anything could land and subsequently take-off!-)

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Andrew Nowicki - 26 Jul 2006 09:41 GMT
> Now go hit the books...

The physics, in terms of order of magnitude
estimate, is trivial. If you had been able to
handle high school level physics, you would not
have made this comment.

sci.space.policy is a much better place to ask
high school level questions than sci.space.tech.
dan - 12 Aug 2006 22:55 GMT
Back in the 50's when no one knew if spaceflight was even possible,
several tests were made with sounding rockets launched by balloon at
high altitude.  However the payload capability of even very large
balloons declines at extreme altitude, and launching a large balloon is
tricky. Because of the long period climbing to launch altitude
cryogenic propellants were not practical. Ultimately it was not
possible to carry rockets capable of getting into orbit. A similar
problem will occur with rotorcraft.

On the other hand, a fixed-wing aircraft.i.e. the B-70, can indeed be
designed to carry a large payload at high altitude. While a large blunt
cone would have to much drag for external carriage on an aircraft, a
saucer-shaped vehicle could be carried and launched edge first and
re-enter flat side first; this is pretty much what Rutan's SpaceShip
One does with its pivoting tail. This can spread the heating over a
large area as with the Apollo Capsule, reducing thermal loads.
Andrew Nowicki - 13 Aug 2006 16:12 GMT
> Back in the 50's when no one knew if spaceflight was even possible,
> several tests were made with sounding rockets launched by balloon at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> possible to carry rockets capable of getting into orbit. A similar
> problem will occur with rotorcraft.

It will not.

The helicopter can fly much faster than the balloon.
If it flies vertically at the rate of 33 meters per second,
it will reach the altitude of 30 kilometers in 15 minutes.
Liquid oxygen and liquid methane will not evaporate
in 15 minutes.

> On the other hand, a fixed-wing aircraft.i.e. the B-70, can indeed be
> designed to carry a large payload at high altitude. While a large blunt
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> One does with its pivoting tail. This can spread the heating over a
> large area as with the Apollo Capsule, reducing thermal loads.

The airplane is superior to rocket as a means of transportation
through the troposphere because it is slower and much more
reusable. It is however not as slow as the helicopter, and
the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.
Herman Rubin - 17 Aug 2006 21:20 GMT
>> Back in the 50's when no one knew if spaceflight was even possible,
>> several tests were made with sounding rockets launched by balloon at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> possible to carry rockets capable of getting into orbit. A similar
>> problem will occur with rotorcraft.

>It will not.

>The helicopter can fly much faster than the balloon.
>If it flies vertically at the rate of 33 meters per second,
>it will reach the altitude of 30 kilometers in 15 minutes.
>Liquid oxygen and liquid methane will not evaporate
>in 15 minutes.

I question whether that rate can be maintained at
high altitudes.  Both an airplane and a helicopter
rely on air (or some other gas) for there to be
any power usable for lifting.

>> On the other hand, a fixed-wing aircraft.i.e. the B-70, can indeed be
>> designed to carry a large payload at high altitude. While a large blunt
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> One does with its pivoting tail. This can spread the heating over a
>> large area as with the Apollo Capsule, reducing thermal loads.

>The airplane is superior to rocket as a means of transportation
>through the troposphere because it is slower and much more
>reusable. It is however not as slow as the helicopter, and
>the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
>airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.

If it can reach 30 kilometers, the drag will be small.

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Andrew Nowicki - 23 Aug 2006 14:57 GMT
Andrew Nowicki wrote:

> The helicopter can fly much faster than the balloon.
> If it flies vertically at the rate of 33 meters per second,
> it will reach the altitude of 30 kilometers in 15 minutes.
> Liquid oxygen and liquid methane will not evaporate
> in 15 minutes.

> I question whether that rate can be maintained at
> high altitudes.  Both an airplane and a helicopter
> rely on air (or some other gas) for there to be
> any power usable for lifting.

The helicopter needs two sets of propellers/rorors:
small propellers used at low altitude and big
propellers used at high altitude.

Another option is to use two helicopters having
different size propellers: first stage helicopter
and second stage helicopter. If we choose this
option, there is no need to drop batteries on
the parachutes.

Andrew Nowicki wrote:

> The airplane is superior to rocket as a means of transportation
> through the troposphere because it is slower and much more
> reusable. It is however not as slow as the helicopter, and
> the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
> airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.

> If it can reach 30 kilometers, the drag will be small.

I disagree. The lift is constant regardless of altitude
because the airplane mass is constant. To keep the lift
constant you have to fly it faster at high altitude.
When you fly faster, you increase both lift and drag.
You can increase lift without increasing drag if you
have variable geometry wings -- they are common in
commercial aircraft. If you want to reduce cargo drag,
canard wings are probably better than variable geometry
wings. Both methods reduce the cargo drag, but not as
much as the helicopter with two sets of wings or the
two stages of the helicopters.

I guess you could try using two stages of airplanes: one
having small wings and propellers and the other having
big wings and propellers. Well... you still cannot
beat the helicopter, and dragging the big airplane
through the dense troposphere is a major nuisance.
It is easier to drag big helicopter propellers through
the dense troposphere than the big airplane wings
because the propellers are smaller than the wings.
Because they are smaller, the can be very flat and yet
lightweight. Flat things do not generate much drag.
Airplane wings cannot be flat because they are big
and because big flat wings would be too weak. This
fact is explained by the Cube-Square Law which states
that as scale is reduced, properties which are a function
of volume (mass) will decrease faster than those which
are a function of area (thrust and strength).
Herman Rubin - 26 Aug 2006 21:17 GMT
>Andrew Nowicki wrote:

>> The helicopter can fly much faster than the balloon.
>> If it flies vertically at the rate of 33 meters per second,
>> it will reach the altitude of 30 kilometers in 15 minutes.
>> Liquid oxygen and liquid methane will not evaporate
>> in 15 minutes.

>> I question whether that rate can be maintained at
>> high altitudes.  Both an airplane and a helicopter
>> rely on air (or some other gas) for there to be
>> any power usable for lifting.

>The helicopter needs two sets of propellers/rorors:
>small propellers used at low altitude and big
>propellers used at high altitude.

>Another option is to use two helicopters having
>different size propellers: first stage helicopter
>and second stage helicopter. If we choose this
>option, there is no need to drop batteries on
>the parachutes.

>Andrew Nowicki wrote:

>> The airplane is superior to rocket as a means of transportation
>> through the troposphere because it is slower and much more
>> reusable. It is however not as slow as the helicopter, and
>> the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
>> airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.

>> If it can reach 30 kilometers, the drag will be small.

>I disagree. The lift is constant regardless of altitude
>because the airplane mass is constant.

This would be the case if the air density was constant.
But it is not; the lift decreases with the density of
the surrounding medium, and becomes 0 when there is no
density outside.

        To keep the lift
>constant you have to fly it faster at high altitude.

This is because of decreased pressure.

Present military aircraft may reach somewhat more
than 10 km, maybe 15.  But at this altitude, air
pressure decreases rapidly relatively.  I doubt
that fuel-only aircraft can reach 30 km.

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Mike Swift - 21 Aug 2006 08:43 GMT
> > Back in the 50's when no one knew if spaceflight was even possible,
> > several tests were made with sounding rockets launched by balloon at
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
> airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.

Andrew, the record altitude that a helicopter has flown with only a
pilot is 8,848 meters (29028 feet).  To scale this up to a vehicle
capable of carrying a rocket of significant weight for say a 1000 kg
orbital payload would be akin to scaling up the Golden Gate Bridge to
span from San Francisco to Hawaii.

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Andrew Nowicki - 24 Aug 2006 23:16 GMT
> Andrew, the record altitude that a helicopter has flown with only a
> pilot is 8,848 meters (29028 feet).  To scale this up to a vehicle
> capable of carrying a rocket of significant weight for say a 1000 kg
> orbital payload would be akin to scaling up the Golden Gate Bridge to
> span from San Francisco to Hawaii.

Apparently you have not read the first
post of this thread.

The helicopters cannot fly above the altitude
of 8,848 meters because their internal
combustion engines choke in the thin air.
If you replace the engines with electric
motors and replace small rotors/propellers
with big ones, they can fly much higher.
Allen W. McDonnell - 03 Sep 2006 12:29 GMT
>> On the other hand, a fixed-wing aircraft.i.e. the B-70, can indeed be
>> designed to carry a large payload at high altitude. While a large blunt
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the separation of the rocket launcher and its cargo from the
> airplane is tricky due to the aerodynamic drag.

However, so long as the aircraft is designed with a thrust to weigth ratio
greater than 1:1 when loaded with the payload at altitude it can hover
vertically on its tail during the seperation manuver.  The aircraft flies up
to launch altitude, goes vertical, releases the payload while hovering.  The
payload ignites its next stage, the aircraft reduces throttle allowing
itself to tip over and power glide most of the way back to the launch site
with the engines at idle.
Joe Strout - 18 Jul 2006 10:30 GMT
> The conventional rocket launchers are shaped like a
> pencil to minimize aerodynamic drag during the first
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of about 30 kilometers) with a balloon or a helicopter.
> Hydrogen balloons are cheap, but not reusable.

But airships (whether filled with hydrogen or helium) are.  Big ones can
have a quite impressive lift capacity, too.

Re. helicopters:

> 3. Electric motors are cheap and can operate at the altitude
>    of 30 km. Their energy source can be either a battery or a
>    generator standing on the ground [connected by wires].

Did you consider a power source on the ground beaming power to the
helicopters in the form of lasers or microwaves?

> Electric motors powered by batteries are the best choice because
> they are cheap, reliable, safe, and easy to use.

It's an interesting idea, though recovering all those batteries
parachuted from 30 km strikes me as a logistical problem, which will
therefore drive up the costs.  An airship might work better.

Best,
- Joe
Andrew Nowicki - 26 Jul 2006 09:41 GMT
> But airships (whether filled with hydrogen or helium) are.
> Big ones can have a quite impressive lift capacity, too.

The problem is how to bring the balloon or the airship
back to the earth -- you would have to release lots of
expensive hydrogen. The cost of making hydrogen is about
0.7 $/kg, but the cost of liquefying and transporting hydrogen
from the oil refinery to the user raises the cost to about
3 $/kg. Hydrogen, like chlorine, is a destroyer of the ozone
layer. If the rocket weighs 10 tons, you would spend about
$50,000 on the hydrogen alone. Helium is even more expensive.

> Did you consider a power source on the ground beaming power
> to the helicopters in the form of lasers or microwaves?

Leik N. Myrabo experimented with this idea some 20 years ago.
It works, and it is not very expensive. The microwave
electronics would cost about $100 per 1kg of the rocket weight.
(Batteries cost about $200 per 1kg of the rocket weight.)
I did not mention microwaves because the safety concerns would
drive up the cost.

The cost of electric motors is only about $30 per 1kg of the
rocket weight.
Joe Strout - 12 Aug 2006 22:55 GMT
> > But airships (whether filled with hydrogen or helium) are.
> > Big ones can have a quite impressive lift capacity, too.
>
> The problem is how to bring the balloon or the airship
> back to the earth -- you would have to release lots of
> expensive hydrogen.

Why?  Normal airships don't release lifting gas; they compress it, by
inflating internal bladders with air.  I don't see why it should be any
different for this application.

> > Did you consider a power source on the ground beaming power
> > to the helicopters in the form of lasers or microwaves?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I did not mention microwaves because the safety concerns would
> drive up the cost.

But they reduce the logistical issues.  I wonder whether the safety
issues can be mitigated by careful selection of the wavelength used.

Best,
- Joe
Andrew Nowicki - 13 Aug 2006 16:12 GMT
Andrew Nowicki wrote:

> The problem is how to bring the balloon or the airship
> back to the earth -- you would have to release lots of
> expensive hydrogen.

> Why?  Normal airships don't release lifting gas; they compress it, by
> inflating internal bladders with air.  I don't see why it should be any
> different for this application.

I was not familiar with this technology, but it seems
that it may be troublesome to use it in a balloon or
an airship that reaches the altitude of 30 km. The
problem is that atmospheric pressure at the altitude
of 30 km is about 100 times lower than the sea level
pressure. You would need two bladders: one of them
would hold all the helium at the sea level, the other
would hold all the helium at the altitude of 30 km.
It takes lots of energy to pump all the helium from
the big bladder to the small one. Furthermore, as
you compress the helium by the factor of 100, it
heats up a lot, so you have to cool it. Thin air is
not a good coolant, so the cooling is slow. It would
be interesting to calculate how much time it would
take to compress and cool all the helium.

Andrew Nowicki wrote:

> Leik N. Myrabo experimented with this idea some 20 years ago.
> It works, and it is not very expensive. The microwave
> electronics would cost about $100 per 1kg of the rocket weight.
> (Batteries cost about $200 per 1kg of the rocket weight.)
> I did not mention microwaves because the safety concerns would
> drive up the cost.

> But they reduce the logistical issues.  I wonder whether the safety
> issues can be mitigated by careful selection of the wavelength used.

There is some info here:
http://radsafe.berkeley.edu/nir1101c.html

The idea is not stupid, but it would take some effort
to develop this technology. Batteries are probably
less efficient, but they are easier to use.

Magnetrons are used to generate long microwaves. Low frequency
magnetrons are more efficient than high frequency magnetrons.
Microwave ovens have magnetrons which operate at a frequency
of 2.45 GHz and have efficiency of about 70%. Magnetrons
operating at 915 MHz frequency have efficiency of about 85%.
Magnetrons cost about $0.1/W.

Gyrotrons can produce short microwaves (< 3 mm) which are easy
to focus into a narrow beam, but their efficiency is low (15%-60%).
The maximum frequency is about 170 GHz. Gyrotrons cost about $1/W.

Atmospheric absorption of microwaves:
http://www.submm.caltech.edu/cso/weather/atplot.shtml
Jeff Findley - 12 Aug 2006 22:56 GMT
>> But airships (whether filled with hydrogen or helium) are.
>> Big ones can have a quite impressive lift capacity, too.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> layer. If the rocket weighs 10 tons, you would spend about
> $50,000 on the hydrogen alone. Helium is even more expensive.

I'd think it would be cheaper to buy kerosene and build a conventional
LOX/kerosene first stage than it would be to build and operate an airship
big enough to replace said first stage.  The airship, after all, is going to
be so huge, it would need some big engines of its own just to maneuver back
to base once it's launch vehicle has been released.

Jeff
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