> beta cloth. It's well understood.
>> beta cloth. It's well understood.
>
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> Kevlar and other High Modulus fabric are possible candidates. But
> they need to be able to be stowed and folded and exposed to UV.
Do 'we' have a good handle on how mars dust will behave?
Lunar dust is (IIRC) horribly abrasive, and gets in between woven
fabric fibers and starts to erode them, in addition to making sealing
difficult.
Is martian dust as bad, or does the presence of atmosphere and erosion
make it a bit less sharp?>

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Chris Vancil - 15 Jul 2003 00:43 GMT
> >> beta cloth. It's well understood.
> >
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> Is martian dust as bad, or does the presence of atmosphere and erosion
> make it a bit less sharp?>
The scientists that I've talked with on this subject are of two basic
opinions. One view is pretty much that the Moon's regolith is all we
know so we should assume it's like that. The other group see Mars
having erosion and say it is somewhere between Earth and the Moon.
The 64 million dollar question is where on a hypothetical erosion
graph does Mars regolith lay?
I will hazard a layman's unprofessional guess. It's at least as
eroded as ash from Mount St. Helens is now 23 years later.
There are ways to block the dust getting into the bearings of a
pressure suit, but more research needs to be done on this problem
before committing to a final choice of outer garment design. Still
picking fabrics that might be workable seem doable now.
--Chris Vancil
Harmon Everett - 16 Jul 2003 13:13 GMT
Bill Bogen - 18 Jul 2003 15:57 GMT
> >> beta cloth. It's well understood.
> >
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> Is martian dust as bad, or does the presence of atmosphere and erosion
> make it a bit less sharp?>
Or it is _worse_ than lunar dust? Erosion may make finer particles,
dry conditions keep them from re-bonding to soil, wind can drive them
deeper into fabric/joints, and they may be more chemically active. Do
any Mars probes (current or proposed) include means to collect data on
dust (size,amount, composition)?
Chris Vancil - 22 Jul 2003 20:33 GMT
> > >> beta cloth. It's well understood.
> > >
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> any Mars probes (current or proposed) include means to collect data on
> dust (size,amount, composition)?
Of coarse water wind erosion makes finer smoother particles. They are
very probably chemically active with peroxides. You want a very fine
weave or a possibly a solid barrier. I was hoping not to get into the
problems with the pressure suit itself by only focusing on the outer
garment.
Future testing of Mars' environment with a focus on manned visits:
MECA (Mars Environmental Compatibility Assessment)
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/2001/lander/meca/
--Chris Vancil