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Arthur Hansen - 15 Aug 2003 22:12 GMT
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,473272-1,00.html

Is pulse detonation applicable for rocket technology? Considering
"loud" isn't really that big an issue for a rocket. And considering
rockets carry their own fuel and oxidizer, it would seem that pulse
detonation technology would be something that would be easier to use
and develop instead of trying to make into an advance jet engine
first.

Arthur Hansen

P.S. Thanks, Slashdot.org for noticing this neat article!
Joann Evans - 17 Aug 2003 09:22 GMT
> http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,473272-1,00.html
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> P.S. Thanks, Slashdot.org for noticing this neat article!

  One goes to the trouble of trying to develop pulse detonation engines
precisely *because* they're airbreathers.

  If your application doesn't require airbreathing over a wide Mach
nuber range, you use rockets.
Greg - 18 Aug 2003 22:10 GMT
> http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,473272-1,00.html
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> P.S. Thanks, Slashdot.org for noticing this neat article!

It has been proposed. But the big gain with PDE is not that big a gain
when compared to a rockets. The driving force on PDE research is for
air-breathers were fuel economy makes you lots of money.  Rocket
engines however are in fact very close the theoretical thermodynamic
limits of efficiency. The gains, in any, are outweighed by the
unsteady nature of PDE.
Henry Spencer - 19 Aug 2003 07:02 GMT
>Is pulse detonation applicable for rocket technology?

In principle, yes.  It offers very high combustion pressures without
needing high-pressure pumps.

In practices, maybe someday.  The fact that it's been coming "real soon
now" for going on fifty years is not encouraging.
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Fox2 - 19 Aug 2003 21:25 GMT
>>Is pulse detonation applicable for rocket technology?
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>In practices, maybe someday.  The fact that it's been coming "real soon
>now" for going on fifty years is not encouraging.

Sounds like 1940's German V1 engine.

Maybe strap a V1 intake to a ramjet.  Use pulse jet for low speeds
& lock the shutters open for high speed ramjet operations?

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Fox2

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the one I've never tried before." - Mae West
Henry Spencer - 20 Aug 2003 19:19 GMT
>Sounds like 1940's German V1 engine.

There are similarities but it's not really that close.  The *detonation*
part is new, and is a major source of difficulties.  Combustion in the
V-1's pulsejet was ordinary burning, not detonation.
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