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Exhaust Plume Dispersal in Orbit

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Ed Kyle - 12 Jul 2005 18:02 GMT
What happens to upper stage exhaust plume products
after, for example, a geosynchronous transfer orbit
burn from an initial parking orbit?  Do the products
of combustion rapidly deorbit during subsequent
orbital perigees, or are they simply dispersed into
deep space by the solar wind?  

Just wondering.

- Ed Kyle
John Schilling - 13 Jul 2005 22:14 GMT
>What happens to upper stage exhaust plume products
>after, for example, a geosynchronous transfer orbit
>burn from an initial parking orbit?  Do the products
>of combustion rapidly deorbit during subsequent
>orbital perigees, or are they simply dispersed into
>deep space by the solar wind?  

The exhaust plume from the initial (departure or perigee)
burn will deorbit very rapidly, within minutes.  The
plume from the apogee burn is a bit more complex; BOTE
calculation suggests it will mostly wind up in a range
of elliptical orbits with perigees high enough to avoid
rapid deorbiting.  And it won't rapidly be carried away
by the solar wind, because it will be too deep in the
Earth's magnetosphere for the wind to reach.

Which suggests charge exchange capture into the inner
Van Allen belt as one possible fate.  Others would be
perturbation into a re-entry or escape trajectory, with
radiation pressure as a likely perturbing force.  Note,
though, that individual molecules are too small to be
effective broadband absorbers or reflectors of anything
close to visible light, so that might take a while.

And I don't have my spectroscopy references with the
cross-section data handy, so I'll pass on figuring out
what "a while" is likely to be.  

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Carsten Nielsen - 17 Jul 2005 07:54 GMT
> >What happens to upper stage exhaust plume products
> >after, for example, a geosynchronous transfer orbit
> >burn from an initial parking orbit?  Do the products
> >of combustion rapidly deorbit during subsequent
> >orbital perigees, or are they simply dispersed into
> >deep space by the solar wind?  

I'll reuse my answer from an earlier tread:

Look at George Dysons book about the Orion project, page 229, then
substitute the word tungsten for mercury, cesium or xenon. Or in this
case rocket exhaust gasses.

<SNIP>

The tungsten was kept ionized by ultraviolet radiation and captured by
the magnetic field, then came down near the poles, apparently as part
of the aurora.

Regards

Carsten Nielsen
Denmark

PS If you see George Dysons book, turn to pg 113 and look at that
propulsion  unit, then fix a note saying 'Add space probe below'
Ed Kyle - 18 Jul 2005 15:01 GMT
> > >What happens to upper stage exhaust plume products
> > >after, for example, a geosynchronous transfer orbit
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the magnetic field, then came down near the poles, apparently as part
> of the aurora.

Thanks for that.  This makes me wonder if monitoring
stations are positioned "near the poles" to sniff for
rocket exhaust products as a way of detecting attempts
to do stealthy orbit changes, etc..

- Ed Kyle
 
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