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Space Forum / SETI / June 2009Not meaning to start a conspiracy
I forget where I read it but a few days ago I came across a suggestion that NASA is avoiding finding life on Mars for religious reasons. Another conspiracy to be broken by renegade priest Fox Mulder. But then I realized it answered one question I have had for a long time. Why not send a microscope to Mars? Maybe not exactly that but why do they send things which are only good for indirect and therefore arguable measurements?  SignatureRoe v Wade are just two ways to get across a river. -- The Iron Webmaster, 4139 http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/GAZA-pics/ a13 Tue Jun 16 23:24:19 EDT 2009 > I forget where I read it but a few days ago I came across a > suggestion that NASA is avoiding finding life on Mars for religious [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do they send things which are only good for indirect and therefore > arguable measurements? They did send a microscope. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/spacecraft/meca.html Just don't be bothered by facts getting in the way of your delusion. >> I forget where I read it but a few days ago I came across a >> suggestion that NASA is avoiding finding life on Mars for religious [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> do they send things which are only good for indirect and therefore >> arguable measurements? > They did send a microscope. > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/spacecraft/meca.html > Just don't be bothered by facts getting in the way of your delusion. As I said, not specifically a microscope. I would have thought it obvious I was talking about a direct observation of life. The microscopes described are not designed for observing life. Please read first what you suggest others read. I mentioned the renegade priest by name to joke about the conspiracy aspect of it. Please read what I post before responding. SignatureThe oldest known version of the Old Testament is the Septuagint written in Greek. -- The Iron Webmaster, 4154 http://www.giwersworld.org/holo/ a8 Thu Jun 18 02:43:44 EDT 2009 > I forget where I read it but a few days ago I came across a suggestion that NASA is avoiding finding life on Mars for religious > reasons. Another conspiracy to be broken by renegade priest Fox Mulder. Hi Matt, it's been a while ! Before assuming a conspiracy, maybe it is better to first find that article where you found that statement. Then we can maybe find out who said it and why, and what NASA really has to say about it. > But then I realized it answered one question I have had for a long time. Why not send a microscope to Mars? Maybe not exactly that > but why do they send things which are only good for indirect and therefore arguable measurements? It depends on what you consider a credible instrument to prove/disprove life. On Earth, with plenty of microscopes, we found 'microbes' in Mars' rocks (meteorites), but even that seems not to be completely creadible proof of (past/current) life on the red planet. >> I forget where I read it but a few days ago I came across a suggestion that NASA is avoiding finding life on Mars for religious >> reasons. Another conspiracy to be broken by renegade priest Fox Mulder. > Hi Matt, it's been a while ! BOINC ended most of the reasons for being here. Death to BOINC!? > Before assuming a conspiracy, maybe it is better to first find that article where you found that statement. > Then we can maybe find out who said it and why, and what NASA really has to say about it. It is something I have been unable to explain for a long time which I give an example of below. The article suggested an explanation. I posted it with the intention to open discussion. After all, I might be wrong. That happens once or twice a decade. ;) >> But then I realized it answered one question I have had for a long time. Why not send a microscope to Mars? Maybe not exactly that >> but why do they send things which are only good for indirect and therefore arguable measurements? > It depends on what you consider a credible instrument to prove/disprove life. > On Earth, with plenty of microscopes, we found 'microbes' in Mars' rocks (meteorites), but even that seems not to be completely > creadible proof of (past/current) life on the red planet. By credible I mean watch it move, split, whatever. Go to the first lander in 76. I agree there would have certainly been problems with another camera looking through a microscope back then. Today a good enough CCD chip weighs less than a gram. The top of the line might be 2 gms. Guessing of course but even if a kilogram it is lighter, cheaper and easier than a camera back then. An actual microscope can't be that heavy or expensive so all kinds of add-ons and frills can be added without much additional cost. And if no life turn it over to the geologists. Redo the 76 experiment with a microscope watching. If things are metabolizing they are moving and replicating -- they are doing something to use the energy release of metabolization. Metabolism byproducts was the original positive result that was argued away. This would be a simple test to see of the argument was correct. It seems so bloody obvious. Go for a direct observation rather than indirect observations. They should have learned indirect observations are subject to being argued away and not bothered with them again. I grant direct observation can be argued away as contamination if there is even the vaguest similarity to earth life. To summarize, the first results were positive but could be argued away because they were indirect. Redo the test with direction observation to test the argument. It has always seemed obvious to me. Am I making an error? SignatureThe squattertowns will continue to expand until the terrorism ceases. The provocation will continue until the response ceases. The snakebites will continue until morale improves. -- The Iron Webmaster, 4149 http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ Antisemitism a10 Thu Jun 25 05:07:04 EDT 2009 |
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