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SolFrankRosen - 26 Oct 2007 16:30 GMT
This is not a challenge for any debate, just fuel for imagination:

When we think of Extraterrestrial Intelligence we usually think
immediately of highly advanced beings both in their intellect and
their body structure. True, it is fair to say that if another
civilization were to contact or visit us, they would be of this nature
of being highly advanced.

But let's look up a the night sky with just binoculars and imagine the
plausibility that we are maybe seeing if only a thousand stars, then
we are seeing a wide myriad of potential civilizations. Just like our
own planet has a history of civilization, so do theirs - some similar
to our own - some very different. But at any given relative point in
time on a planet with a civilization, there has most likely been
historical events not unlike our own - disease, war, weather
catastrophies, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, climate change,
slavery, genocide, art, music, political changes, revolutions,
sexuality, race - the list goes on and on - up to some civilizations
ending completely by pandemics, asteroid hits, nuclear war, etc.

Though the most highly advanced civilizations probably have been able
to defeat natural or "man-made" destructive forces, most civilizations
are still struggling and evolving. Some have very primative
civilizations not unlike our on planet in say 2000 BC. Some are just
now entering an age of industrial revolution. Some even have advanced
telescopic capabilites maybe like our radio telescope in Aricibo.

The exciting thing is that it is likely that many civilizations have
or are close to aquiring the capability of sending and receiving a
signal. For this reason, we keep listening to the sky at night,
finding better ways to listen, and hopefully preparing a new
generation of scientists more eager than ever to find that signal.
jacob navia - 26 Oct 2007 20:26 GMT
> This is not a challenge for any debate, just fuel for imagination:
>
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> finding better ways to listen, and hopefully preparing a new
> generation of scientists more eager than ever to find that signal.

Now, let's see...

From our viewpoint, a civilization took 4 billion years to evolve here.
99.99% of the time, the earth did not have a civilization at all.

When is a civilization / intelligent beings due? When is "the time" for
evolving intelligent beings?

From this planet history (again, since we haven't any other point of
comparison), we see that life evolved here and prospered without
evolving any intelligent beings for a HUGE amount of time. We can
deduce that there is no need for life to evolve intelligent beings.

Now look at this problem.

The sun has a life expectancy of 10 billion years. In 1 billion years
more, the sun will start getting quite hot, preparing the transformation
to red giant, that will happen in 2-3 billion years more.

All life on earth as we know it now will disappear.

Solution?

Make SEEDS.

Seeds are small pieces of a tree, that allow the tree to move
in space and in time. Seeds sail with the winds, and go to
places far away from the place where the original tree stood.

All life has clocks. We use clocks, and all multi-cellular
beings have a clock. Life itself could have a clock too.
And the clock tells it:

We approach the end. We have to build seeds.

Then, intelligent life arises, that builds machines
and travels through space: the seeds.

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Chris - 28 Oct 2007 20:32 GMT
> Then, intelligent life arises, that builds machines
> and travels through space: the seeds.

Our seed we planted and nutured has matured. Thank you.

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