NASA Postpones Stardust Mission Media Update.
"NASA has postponed the Stardust comet mission media briefing scheduled
for 1 p.m. EST (12 p.m. CST), Tuesday. The agency plans to allow the
Stardust science team additional time to assess and distribute cometary
samples before scheduling media briefings.
"NASA has enlisted more than 150 experts to accelerate sample studies.
The first samples will be shipped to researchers this week."
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=18821
Will there be found "tar" in the particles? The interstellar dust
collector on Stardust had already found complex organic tar-like
molecules with its CIDA mass spectrometer:
Tarlike macro-molecules detected in 'stardust'
MAX-PLANCK INSTITUTE NEWS RELEASE
Posted: April 29, 2000
"It is the size of these molecular fragments with nuclear masses of up
to 2000 (water e.g. has 18 such units) which surprised us as much as
the seemingly absence of any mineral constituents", explains Dr. Kissel
of the Garching-based Max-Planck-Institut für extraterrestrische
Physik. "Only organic molecules can reach those sizes". The largest
molecules found in space so far are the polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons (PAH) which reach masses of a few hundred mass units.
"The details of the mass spectra measured with CIDA show that the
molecules of the interstellar dust must have about 10 percent of
nitrogen and/or oxygen in addition to hydrogen and carbon. This means
that these cannot be pure PAHs, which are planar, but are especially
due to the nitrogen extend into all three spacial directions."
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0004/29tarstardust/
These "tar-like" particles were presumed to be interstellar because of
their direction and high-speed. However, it is notable that the Giotto
spacecraft also detected "tar-like" materials on the surface of comet
Halley. Perhaps these detected particles arose from comets in other
systems. Another possibility is that the CIDA mass spectrometer
detected particles that arose from jets from comets in our system. That
could explain their high speeds and unexpected directions.
On Earth, actual tar is formed in nature from combustion or decay of
living material:
Tar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar
La Brea Tar Pits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits
Even when produced in industry you still need petroleum products or
coal derivatives to produce it, which themselves arise from prior
living material.
If the returned Stardust grains are found to contain true tar that
would suggest they arose from past life in space.
c.f.,
Newsgroups: sci.astro, sci.astro.seti, rec.arts.sf.science,
sci.bio.misc
From: Robert Clark <rgcl>
Date: 2000/04/29
Subject: Re: Tarlike macro-molecules detected in 'stardust' (Forwarded)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/msg/f42528d44bba448a
Bob Clark
Uncle Al - 26 Jan 2006 15:46 GMT
[snip]
> Tarlike macro-molecules detected in 'stardust'
> MAX-PLANCK INSTITUTE NEWS RELEASE
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> due to the nitrogen extend into all three spacial directions."
> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0004/29tarstardust/
[snip]
> Even when produced in industry you still need petroleum products or
> coal derivatives to produce it, which themselves arise from prior
> living material.
> If the returned Stardust grains are found to contain true tar that
> would suggest they arose from past life in space.
[snip]
Bullshit.
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David Bostwick - 26 Jan 2006 16:33 GMT
Couldn't stay away from the train wreck in sci.chem, eh?
Mathias Rocher - 26 Jan 2006 16:02 GMT
"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@yahoo.com> wrote in the news message:
1138234087.264005.82790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> MAX-PLANCK INSTITUTE NEWS RELEASE
> Posted: April 29, 2000
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that these cannot be pure PAHs, which are planar, but are especially
> due to the nitrogen extend into all three spacial directions."
Two solutions : it could be too simplified to be true, or it could be
completely false. Where did they see that aromatic compounds containing
nitrogen are never flat ? pyridine is flat, quinoline is flat, indole is
flat, etc...
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 27 Jan 2006 16:56 GMT
>These "tar-like" particles were presumed to be interstellar because of
>their direction and high-speed. However, it is notable that the Giotto
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>If the returned Stardust grains are found to contain true tar that
>would suggest they arose from past life in space.
Um, no, it doesn't. If you've ever done any organic chemistry, you'll
have found that the result of screwing up a synthesis can be tar. Just
cooking up a bunch of small organic molecules too hot and with not
enough solvent will often give you big gooey molecules that are really
hard to get off the glassware. In this context, 'organic' means
carbon-containing. This happens whatever the source of the carbon
compounds. On earth, that's often formerly living matter. In space it
would be the small organics that have long been known to occur in
molecular clouds. No life involved.
Robert Clark - 17 Feb 2006 16:39 GMT
> >These "tar-like" particles were presumed to be interstellar because of
> >their direction and high-speed. However, it is notable that the Giotto
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> would be the small organics that have long been known to occur in
> molecular clouds. No life involved.
Whatever it is, it's going to be interesting ...
Published online: 13 February 2006
A comet's tale.
"Scientists are just beginning to examine the pieces of a comet brought
back to Earth by NASA's Stardust mission."
...
"After fiddling around to improve the picture slightly, Kearsley starts
a more intensive scan of the grain that will reveal its chemical
make-up. As the analysis comes through, there are cries of surprise.
"Whatever it is, it's weird," says Bland.
"The team agonize over the decision to make another scan to get more
accurate results, but Kearsley is worried about "frying" the sample.
"These grains have had a long journey and rather a lot of money spent
on them," he cautions.
"They can see that just a few minutes exposure to high-energy electrons
has changed the structure of some of the epoxy surrounding the grain,
so they finally decide that the initial results are so astonishing that
they should contact Mike Zolensky at Johnson Space Center immediately
to tell him about the find, and wait for further instructions. Zolensky
is in charge of the preliminary analysis of the samples, and is
collating all the information from these first tests."
http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060213/full/060213-2.html
Bob Clark