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David Williams - 14 Sep 2005 16:33 GMT
-> at Padua, is the principal professor of philosophy whom I have  
-> repeatedly and urgently requested to look at the moon and planets  
-> through my glass, which he pertinaciously refuses to do. Why are you not  
-> here? What shouts of laughter we should have at this glorious folly! And  
-> to hear the professor of philosophy at Pia labouring before the grand  
-> duke with logical arguments, as if with magical incantations, to charm  
-> the new planets out of the sky.'
-> At that time the moons were sometimes described as new planets and it  
-> was generally thought that Jupiter and other planets were located on  
-> rotating crystal spherical shells so they could not have orbiting  
-> satellites.
-> This indicates the attitude of many scientists today who did not accept  
-> the possibility that the "face" and other features on Mars may have been  
-> artefacts as soon as they were visible on Viking images, without waiting  
-> for further evidence because it rejected their firm belief that there  
-> could be no signs of former intelligent activity on other planets then  
-> Earth. So far, the further evidence is not conclusive.
 
You're shooting yourself in the foot. The people who *did* look through
Galileo's telescope, and saw the moons of Jupiter, are like the people
nowadays who *do* look at the high-quality images from recent
spacecraft, and see that there is *no* "face", or evidence for other
artifacts, on Mars. The people who refused to look through the
telescope are like those who refuse to examine these good images, and
restrict themselves to fuzzy Viking ones.
 
                               dow
Eric Crew - 15 Sep 2005 13:06 GMT
>-> at Padua, is the principal professor of philosophy whom I have
>-> repeatedly and urgently requested to look at the moon and planets
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>                                dow

You completely fail to understand that there is other evidence of
artifacts, apart from the "face".
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spaceart@att.net - 16 Sep 2005 17:10 GMT
> You completely fail to understand that there is other evidence of
> artifacts, apart from the "face".
> --
> Eric Crew

Apart from your famous "solar system model", which you have utterly
failed to demonstrate is anything of the kind, and the "face", which is
patently a natural feature to all but the diehard fantasist, what other
evidence are you talking about?

RM
David Williams - 16 Sep 2005 21:24 GMT
-> You completely fail to understand that there is other evidence of  
-> artifacts, apart from the "face".
 
No. There isn't.
 
                          dow
David Williams - 19 Sep 2005 15:58 GMT
-> The evidence was stated in this newsgroup and you have either ignored it  
-> or failed to see it. You are at liberty of course to ignore it if you  
-> wish and I have no intention of spending more time repeating it.
 
You haven't described any real evidence.
 
                       dow
David Williams - 20 Sep 2005 16:06 GMT
-> >You haven't described any real evidence.
-> >
-> >                        dow

-> I have described published evidence.
 
Just because something has been published does not make it true, or
valuable, or interesting to intelligent people.
 
                            dow
David Williams - 20 Sep 2005 16:10 GMT
-> I have always maintained that no definite conclusion can be made until  
-> there is more evidence. It is poor science to be dogmatic until
then.
 
At present, there is NO evidence in favour of your fantasies.
Inferential logic (Occam's razor, or however you want to describe it)
says that, in the absence of evidence in their favour, the fantasies
are almost certainly NOT true. Pretending that they are likely to be
true is poor science.
 
                        dow
David Williams - 22 Sep 2005 15:09 GMT
-> Right. I didn't say anything about the evidence being true, or valuable,  
-> or interesting to intelligent people. It is interesting to people with  
-> an enquiring mind not stuck with some fixed idea. They are however  
-> likely to be intelligent.
 
Your own mind seems to be "stuck with some fixed idea" far more than
the minds of other people around here.
 
                            dow
 
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