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Space Forum / Astronomy / August 2006Hydrogen in the Vacuum of Space
This needs a much better theory how gravity was able to compress it to make the very first stars. Think about it Bert > This needs a much better theory how gravity was able to compress it to > make the very first stars. Think about it Bert Well, Beeert, not really. Right after the Big Bangeroony, the primordeal sub-atomic soup coalesced into a blend of 75% hydrogen, 24% helium and a smattering of lithium. The newly formed gas expanded at the speed of light (some even suggest that the SOL was exceeded, since there was not yet any gravity to speak of to establish that cosmic speed limit), but the expansion was not perfectly homogenous. There were patchy areas of shightly higher densities, which also had an ever so slightly higher temperature than other areas, which, as a result, expanded faster than the less dense, but slightly cooler areas. The gas (read atoms) caught in the friction zone between the two, succumbed to the evil coreolis effect and began to go into a slow spin. At its center, atoms began to clump together, resulting in the creation of the first whisps of gravity. The more they clumped, the stronger their gravitational influence on the surrounding gas became. At one point the gravitational force of the now moon sized clump of matter became stronger than the force which propelled the gas outward and the ball of accumulating matter ingested, with an ever more voracious appetite, its immediate neighborhood. Since it consisted mostly of the lightest element hydrogen, it had to grow very large, about 8 to 12 times the mass of the Sun, in order to accumulate enough mass to generate the pressures needed to initiate nuclear fusion. The first Star of the Galaxy was born. Since it was a "first generation" star and contained no impurities (read: heavy elements), it furiously burned for a relative short time of only around 50 to150 million years before exhausting its supply of hydrogen. Since it did not contain any heavier elements, there was not enough mass (read: pressure) to initiate helium fusion and the star went Supernova, creating the first batch of the elements of the periodic table, as we know it today. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. Hagar(the horrible) Heard that story all my life. It leaves out a lot,and has much fudging. I will give it however more credit than "once upon a time" stories start with. No gravity to speak of means no universe. What's this patchy all about?. What makes stuff patchy.? Well I'm sure a little more fudging is all that is needed Bert > Hagar(the horrible) Heard that story all my life. It leaves out a > lot,and has much fudging. I will give it however more credit than "once > upon a time" stories start with. No gravity to speak of means no > universe. What's this patchy all about?. What makes stuff patchy.? > Well I'm sure a little more fudging is all that is needed Bert What causes "patchy" ... good question, Beeeert. So lets try to unravel the mystery. In any explosion you see "billowing" of smoke and dust. That billowing effect is caused by minute differences in the packaging of whatever explodes, the slight variances in the thickness of the packaging surrounding the explosive material and finally the variances in the density of the media surrounding the explosion. 1. I don't know how the stuff of the Big Bang was packaged, or what it was. 2. I have no clue as to the thickness variations of the surrounding mantle, but there was some sort of a containment. 3. When it blew, it created a huge number of sub-atomic particles, all careening away from the center, probably nice and straight and evenly. About half were composed of matter and half of anti-matter. When they collided (still on their way out), they annihilated each other, and the resulting detonations caused localized disturbances, some slowing down the particles behind, but accelerating particles in front. When the orgy was over, matter had won, but was greatly decimated, but still careening away from the eye of the original event. The remaining particles formed the first three elements, hydrogen, helium and lithium. Since they have different atomic weights, the lithium was the fastest, having the greatest kinetic energy, closely followed by helium and lastly the hydrogen. Turn on the TV, Beeeert, and watch the weather channel. When dense high pressure air meets warm (less dense) low pressure air, what do you get ?? Well surprise, surpr ise, you get patchy swirls, which sometimes turn into dust devils, or tornados, or hurricanes even, Beeert. Guess I gave you too much credit for being able to see the bigger picture. Hagar (the horrible) Its patchy ,Nature did not know how to package it right.Did not know the density of the area surrounding the explosion. The explosion has a mantle?(say you) I like the orgy part,and the rest is fudge all the way down. Fogy overall picture based on no physics Bert > Hagar (the horrible) Its patchy ,Nature did not know how to package it > right.Did not know the density of the area surrounding the explosion. > The explosion has a mantle?(say you) I like the orgy part,and the rest > is fudge all the way down. Fogy overall picture based on no physics > Bert Yes, Beeert, there had to be a mantle. Gravity or any magnetic containment field can be considered as such. As far as the Foggy Overall Picture, I'm afraid it will remain foggy for all eternity and only theory can explain the event, since it has already happened and cannot be undone. It's like looking at a pool of molten steel in a foundry and trying to guess what model car was melted down to get it. Hagar (the horrible) my theory on the creation of the first universe has no fudging. Reality is there were more universes before are universe came out of a critical mass density of a black hole than snow flakes in an endless blizzard. Bert > This needs a much better theory how gravity was able to compress it to > make the very first stars. Think about it Bert So many things happen in the natural, as with the Big Bang, but you still need someone to create the primordial atom, and you still need someone to set off the explosion... ...and you still need the hand of God to explain how the hydrogen coalesced to form stars... Even Einstein ran right smack dab into the face of God trying to figure out these puzzling things about the universal reality. Mark Throwing the bible in for answers to the very beginning of the universe only makes for hocus pocus. Bert |
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