New Method Developed to Detect Smaller Kuiper Belt Objects
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Double-A - 27 Jul 2006 18:57 GMT Outer solar system's busy, busy, busy Judy Skatssoon ABC Science Online Wednesday, 26 July 2006
An artist's impression of a spacecraft exploring the icy Kuiper belt (Image: NASA)
Researchers say they have found the first evidence that the frozen outer reaches of our solar system could be littered with many more objects than we think.
Astronomers have been trying to get a picture of the region, known as the Kuiper belt, because it is believed to contain debris from the birth of our solar system and so could tell us how planetary systems form.
About 1000 large bodies, including Pluto and the recently discovered Xena, have been located in the Kuiper belt so far.
But smaller objects have evaded detection as they are about 15 billion kilometres from the Sun, making it impossible to see them even with a powerful instrument like the Hubble Space Telescope.
Now an Australian team from the University of New South Wales (UNSW) and the Anglo-Australian Observatory (AAO) has used optical fibre technology to detect signs of smaller Kuiper belt objects for the first time.
The wink of a star They did this by observing split-second 'winking', or darkening, of stars which suggests a Kuiper belt object is passing in front, or occulting the star.
UNSW student George Georgevits presented his research at a recent workshop attended by international Kuiper belt experts in Italy.
His colleague Associate Professor Michael Ashley of UNSW says the observations offer the first evidence the Kuiper belt contains many more relics of the infant solar system than estimated.
"Basically our observation showed that that are many more, maybe five or 10 times as many, of the smaller objects than theory predicted," he says.
Ashley says Georgevits and fellow researcher Dr Will Saunders of the AAO found evidence of many objects ranging in size from 300 metres to one kilometre across using a 6DF instrument on the UK Schmidt telescope at Siding Spring.
The 6DF, which uses fibre optics, monitored 100 stars simultaneously over two weeks, the equivalent of 7000 star hours, or watching a single star every night for 3 years.
"We've got 100 fibres, each one of which is positioned on a star and then we feed the fibres into a high speed camera," he says.
A fraction of what's out there Ashley says it's been suggested there are around 100 billion objects in the belt, but the latest observations suggest this could represent only a fraction of what's there.
"We saw at least 100 very definite [occultations] and as ... you look for smaller, less significant events we could have seen up to 1000," he says.
The Kuiper belt community has greeted the news with some scepticsm. Some critics say that the apparent dimming of the stars may be due to effects in the Earth's atmosphere.
Ashley says the scientists took pains to rule out other possible causes for dips in stars, including moths in the telescope.
Warhol - 27 Jul 2006 19:03 GMT Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded before man came to this Green World...
====>till there I have read... NASA CLEARLY KNOWNS NOTHING of SPACE
> Outer solar system's busy, busy, busy > Judy Skatssoon [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > Ashley says the scientists took pains to rule out other possible causes > for dips in stars, including moths in the telescope. Double-A - 28 Jul 2006 01:46 GMT > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > before man came to this Green World... > > ====>till there I have read... NASA CLEARLY KNOWNS NOTHING of SPACE You are thinking of the "Asteroid Belt", which is between Mars and Jupiter.
The Kuiper Belt is way out beyond Neptune.
Double-A
Warhol - 28 Jul 2006 03:42 GMT > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Double-A Both belt's are made of Rock and Iron... and are exploded planets... a far away testomony of a real War of Worlds, for worlds... where satan tried to kill Jesus before he was born... a Je-wish dream of Satan to destroy Jesus before his birth.... ofcourse this remains a dream since we have the testomony in the holy books that say's the Satan was caught by the arc angels and judged...
Double-A - 28 Jul 2006 06:00 GMT > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > we have the testomony in the holy books that say's the Satan was caught > by the arc angels and judged... I'm still wondering what happened to Mercury. It appears to be a planet whose mantle wal mostly blown off, leaving mostly just the iron core.
Naquadria bombs?
Double-A
Warhol - 28 Jul 2006 13:06 GMT > > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Double-A Mercury is still a Iron core, in terraforming (Born out a Solar Eruption a billion, or two years ago)... A Baby planet... still a embriyo... dont worry Mercury shall grow up and become a good SUN, which shall give birth to many many little worlds on its turn when time has come, which shall be born out Baby Mercury in Billions of billions of years.... when Mercury becomes a Sun on its turn...
Or did something Happen to our Baby mercury???? That I dont Known?.. oef, I just checked Mercury...Lava is cooling down.... all systems seems Normale to me... altleast even with the Solor tirbulence provoked by the Cometh of Warhol, Mercury shall survive... While planet Earth seems more suffering from very High inside pressions of the Core inside the world... last I checked there were 168 vulcans active at same time(and That is much)... and that not Normal... Earth is suffering from overpression inside... and that is man's fault...
Why Gran'da'dy must hit Earth with a Hard Iron Rock... to release are over pression inside the the planet world... This Operation shall be done in Y2K12,by Gran'DaDy..
Its the second operation of this kind since the Times of Moses... Gran'dady is best Doct R... He shall save Our World and defeat all vermin in the same time... WOW
Double-A - 28 Jul 2006 13:46 GMT > > > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Gran'dady is best Doct R... He shall save Our World and defeat all > vermin in the same time... WOW Speaking of volcanoes, in today's news:
"AFX News Limited Thousands of Indonesians flee fearing volcano eruption after top alert issued 07.28.2006, 08:20 AM
JAKARTA (XFN-ASIA) - Thousands of villagers have fled homes lying in the path of red-hot lava flows trickling down from Indonesia's Mount Karangetang as the volcano has been put on top alert, officials said.
The top alert status means scientists believe an eruption of the volcano, one of Indonesia's most active, could be imminent.
More than 3,900 residents from five villages living around the slopes of the 1,784-meter volcano were evacuated Thursday and Friday, said Boy Rompas, a spokesman for the North Sulawesi provincial administration.
Saut Simatupang, a vulcanologist with the national vulcanology monitoring office in West Java, said the top alert status was put in place last Saturday due to increasing flows of lava and heat clouds.
As of Friday, the volcano's lava flow had stretched as far as 1.75 kilometres down the volcano's slopes, he said.
The volcano is located on Siau Island, about 2,300 km northeast of Jakarta and 160 km north of Manado, the capital of North Sulawesi province. It last erupted in May 1992, killing six people."
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/07/28/afx2911453.html
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"Mayon Volcano ready to explode?
Recent signs from Mayon Volcano, which include increasing seismic activity, indicate that it is ripe for a full-blown eruption.
The Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (PHIVOLCS) reported that the advancing lava flow is now estimated to have reached 450 meters elevation while the length of the main lava flow is 4.45 aerial kilometers from the summit crater.
"In addition to the increasing lava flow, 316 episodes of ground vibrations, or more commonly known as tremors, were recorded by the seismic network," PHIVOLCS said.
According to PHIVOLCS these tremors are being generated by lava, either flowing or falling into the gullies and channels in the southeast sector, near the Bonga Gully.
"Seven volcanic earthquakes were also detected which were generated from ascents of magma inside the volcano," the agency said.
Mayon Volcano also emitted a high concentration of sulfur dioxide, measured at 9,275 tons a day, from its crater.
"This high rate indicates fresh magma inside the shallow levels of the volcano," PHIVOLCS reported.
In an event of Mayon's eruption, barangays near the six-kilometer permanent danger zone (PDZ), which includes Mabinit, Bonga, Matanag and Buyoan in the southeast, and town of Maisi, would be affected. Residents in the areas have been advised to be vigilant of the dangers posed by Mayon.
"Residents near the PDZ should also be aware of rock falls, lava flows and small rock avalanches or pyroclastic flows." PHIVOLCS said.
Alert level 3 remains hoisted over Mayon Volcano. Should the alert level rises to 4, residents will be evacuated and contingency plans will be activated.
The Office of Civil Defense has assessed that 1,484 families, or 7,436 persons, may be evacuated in the surrounding areas if alert level 4 is raised.
In the event of an eruption, 35 available school buildings can be immediately used as evacuation centers. Evacuation centers near the Mayon area are to be found in the cities of Legazpi, Tabaco and Ligao and the towns of Malilipot, Santo Domingo, Daraga, Camalig and Guinobatan."
Julio Luis R. Munar The Atlanta Times
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=45610
Oh the humanity!
Double-A
Warhol - 28 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT > > > > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] > > Double-A Here we go again... A Hundred Quakes in One Day?
I've been following this kind of thing for years. I've never seen it like this.
It started 10 days ago. In Alaska....
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php
The question remains, a sudden shear and a monster quake. Of course, these could lead to a shear or even a new volcano.
And let me you remember you all, Nobody is said a word about Indonesia...
people died... 2900 dead ....
Don't look at me, I've been running my arse off today.....
Double-A - 29 Jul 2006 01:00 GMT > > > > > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > > > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] > > Don't look at me, I've been running my arse off today..... I see that our own backyard volcano, Mt. St. Helens, has been rumbling!
Double-A
Warhol - 29 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT > > > > > > > > Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded > > > > > > > > before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 161 lines] > > Double-A If it ever DID go off, you'd be talking an Extinction Level Event. The last time it happened, mankind dropped to a few thousand individuals....... and your region is certainly named in this artikle too ... Maybe the baby is kicking?
Yellowstone Blowing and all the rest is just a Prelude to what's coming.
Those of you who know what a cherrybomb is know what I'm talking.
It's spherical...and the whole thing blows up because of it's unstable interior
Super Volcano Will Challenge Civilization, Geologists Warn By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Senior Writer posted: 08 March 2005 06:30 am ET
The eruption of a super volcano "sooner or later" will chill the planet and threaten human civilization, British scientists warned Tuesday.
And now the bad news: There's not much anyone can do about it.
Several volcanoes around the world are capable of gigantic eruptions unlike anything witnessed in recorded history, based on geologic evidence of past events, the scientists said. Such eruptions would dwarf those of Mount St. Helens, Krakatoa, Pinatubo and anything else going back dozens of millennia.
"Super-eruptions are up to hundreds of times larger than these," said Stephen Self of the United Kingdom's (U.K.) Open University.
"An area the size of North America can be devastated, and pronounced deterioration of global climate would be expected for a few years following the eruption," Self said. "They could result in the devastation of world agriculture, severe disruption of food supplies, and mass starvation. These effects could be sufficiently severe to threaten the fabric of civilization."
Self and his colleagues at the Geological Society of London presented their report to the U.K. Government's Natural Hazard Working Group. What's in Store
The predicted effect a super volcano at Yellowstone. Click to enlarge.
Super Evidence
In the Jemez Mountains, near Santa Fe, New Mexico, sits the Valles Caldera -- the circular feature at left in this false-color satellite image (vegetation is red). It's about 15 miles (24 kilometers) wide, made by two super-eruptions 1.6 and 1.1 million years ago.
The rocky mound below, the result of the older eruption, is 820 feet (250 meters) thick.
Satellite image: Landsat Middle photo: S. Self
"Although very rare these events are inevitable, and at some point in the future humans will be faced with dealing with and surviving a super eruption," Stephen Sparks of the University of Bristol told LiveScience in advance of Tuesday's announcement.
Supporting evidence
The warning is not new. Geologists in the United States detailed a similar scenario in 2001, when they found evidence suggesting volcanic activity in Yellowstone National Park will eventually lead to a colossal eruption. Half the United States will be covered in ash up to 3 feet (1 meter) deep, according to a study published in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.
Explosions of this magnitude "happen about every 600,000 years at Yellowstone," says Chuck Wicks of the U.S. Geological Survey, who has studied the possibilities in separate work. "And it's been about 620,000 years since the last super explosive eruption there."
Past volcanic catastrophes at Yellowstone and elsewhere remain evident as giant collapsed basins called calderas.
A super eruption is a scaled up version of a typical volcanic outburst, Sparks explained. Each is caused by a rising and growing chamber of hot molten rock known as magma.
"In super eruptions the magma chamber is huge," Sparks said. The eruption is rapid, occurring in a matter of days. "When the magma erupts the overlying rocks collapse into the chamber, which has reduced its pressure due to the eruption. The collapse forms the huge crater."
The eruption pumps dust and chemicals into the atmosphere for years, screening the Sun and cooling the planet. Earth is plunged into a perpetual winter, some models predict, causing plant and animal species disappear forever.
"The whole of a continent might be covered by ash, which might take many years -- possibly decades -- to erode away and for vegetation to recover," Sparks said.
Yellowstone may be winding down geologically, experts say. But they believe it harbors at least one final punch. Globally, there are still plenty of possibilities for super volcano eruptions, even as Earth quiets down over the long haul of its 4.5-billion-year existence.
"The Earth is of course losing energy, but at a very slow rate, and the effects are only really noticeable over billions rather than millions of years," Sparks said.
Human impact
The odds of a globally destructive volcano explosion in any given century are extremely low, and no scientist can say when the next one will occur. But the chances are five to 10 times greater than a globally destructive asteroid impact, according to the new British report.
The next super eruption, whenever it occurs, might not be the first one humans have dealt with.
About 74,000 years ago, in what is now Sumatra, a volcano called Toba blew with a force estimated at 10,000 times that of Mount St. Helens. Ash darkened the sky all around the planet. Temperatures plummeted by up to 21 degrees at higher latitudes, according to research by Michael Rampino, a biologist and geologist at New York University.
Rampino has estimated three-quarters of the plant species in the Northern Hemisphere perished.
Stanley Ambrose, an anthropologist at the University of Illinois, suggested in 1998 that Rampino's work might explain a curious bottleneck in human evolution: The blueprints of life for all humans -- DNA -- are remarkably similar given that our species branched off from the rest of the primate family tree a few million years ago.
Ambrose has said early humans were perhaps pushed to the edge of extinction after the Toba eruption -- around the same time folks got serious about art and tool making. Perhaps only a few thousand survived. Humans today would all be descended from these few, and in terms of the genetic code, not a whole lot would change in 74,000 years.
Sitting ducks
Based on the latest evidence, eruptions the size of the giant Yellowstone and Toba events occur at least every 100,000 years, Sparks said, "and it could be as high as every 50,000 years. There are smaller but nevertheless huge eruptions which would have continental to global consequences every 5,000 years or so."
Unlike other threats to mankind -- asteroids, nuclear attacks and global warming to name a few -- there's little to be done about a super volcano.
"While it may in future be possible to deflect asteroids or somehow avoid their impact, even science fiction cannot produce a credible mechanism for averting a super eruption," the new report states. "No strategies can be envisaged for reducing the power of major volcanic eruptions."
The Geological Society of London has issued similar warnings going back to 2000. The scientists this week called for more funding to investigate further the history of super eruptions and their likely effects on the planet and on modern society.
"Sooner or later a super eruption will happen on Earth and this issue also demands serious attention," the report concludes.
Livescience.com http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050308_super_volcano.html
Saul Levy - 29 Jul 2006 01:57 GMT Your latest prediction is worth about as much as all the others you've been making, WartHole! NOTHING!
Saul Levy
>> Speaking of volcanoes, in today's news: >> [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >Don't look at me, I've been running my arse off today..... Warhol - 29 Jul 2006 21:03 GMT When did I made prediktions that not came out?
> Your latest prediction is worth about as much as all the others you've > been making, WartHole! NOTHING! [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > > > >Don't look at me, I've been running my arse off today..... Saul Levy - 31 Jul 2006 00:25 GMT You're idiot COMETH (SIC!) for a major one, WartHole! Wormwood does not exist, period!
Saul Levy
>When did I made prediktions that not came out? > [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] >> > >> >Don't look at me, I've been running my arse off today..... Saul Levy - 29 Jul 2006 01:55 GMT More total BULLSHIT, WartHole! That's all you have...
Mercury will be destroyed when the Sun becomes a red giant star in about 4-5 billion years or so. It will NEVER become a sun.
Where do you get such sh.t from?
Saul Levy
>Mercury is still a Iron core, in terraforming (Born out a Solar >Eruption a billion, or two years ago)... A Baby planet... still a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Gran'dady is best Doct R... He shall save Our World and defeat all >vermin in the same time... WOW Saul Levy - 28 Jul 2006 02:47 GMT Your knowledge of astronomy escapes me, WartHole!
Saul Levy
>Kuiper belt is rocky and not Icy, its the Fifth Planet that exploded >before man came to this Green World... [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >> Ashley says the scientists took pains to rule out other possible causes >> for dips in stars, including moths in the telescope. honestjohn - 28 Jul 2006 02:56 GMT > Your knowledge of astronomy escapes me, WartHole! > > Saul Levy Maybe it makes more sense in Morocco.
HJ
Saul Levy - 29 Jul 2006 01:51 GMT Or maybe it makes more sense in Arabic, HJ?
Saul Levy
>> Your knowledge of astronomy escapes me, WartHole! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >HJ honestjohn - 29 Jul 2006 22:34 GMT > Or maybe it makes more sense in Arabic, HJ? > > Saul Levy Hmmmmm.............
HJ
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