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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 22 Jun 2006 19:06 GMT
Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
rock planet that was 15 times bigger than Earth and made of rock and
ice. Having so much mass its gravity was 15 times stronger than Earth's
and that meant it could have a very large atmosphere of hydrogen,and
helium.and we call such planets "gas planets"  Reality all gas planets
have to have a much greater gravitational force than Earth. so they can
hold very light gases. Best to keep in mind the Sun came from a hydrogen
helium cloud,and in this cloud there were no oxygen,nitrogen,silicon,and
especially no iron.  Reality is all these elements were produced in the
cores of massive stars,and spread through space in supernova explosions.
To sum up my theory  Jupiter could never be anything else.its giant
solid core made it what it is.   Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck - 22 Jun 2006 19:23 GMT
> Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
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> To sum up my theory  Jupiter could never be anything else.its giant
> solid core made it what it is.   Bert

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Double-A - 23 Jun 2006 05:33 GMT
> Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> To sum up my theory  Jupiter could never be anything else.its giant
> solid core made it what it is.   Bert

Bert, the Sun and all the planets were formed out of the same
materials.  There is iron in the Sun as well as all the other elements,
but when a body grows to a large size it can hang onto all the lighter
gases that it gathers from the primordial cloud.  Jupiter and Saturn
can also hang onto light gases because of their high gravity, but are
merely too small to ignite any kind of nuclear fusion.  The Earth has
lost most of its hydrogen and helium, except what is trapped in some
way, such as the hydrogen trapped in water and hydrocarbons.  Smaller
bodies such as the Moon and Mercury have been completely stripped of
their original atmospheres.  It's only size that makes the difference,
Bert, not the original compositions.

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 23 Jun 2006 12:52 GMT
Double-A  The Sun could never be a planet,,and Jupiter could never be a
star.  Sun has traces of all elements,but hydrogen and helium creates
its fusion  My theory says heavy elements came into the solar system
well after the Sun shined.  The heavy rock material came from a
supernova explosion  It all fits   Bert
Warhol - 23 Jun 2006 14:10 GMT
G=EMC^2 Glazier schreef:

> Double-A  The Sun could never be a planet,,and Jupiter could never be a
> star.  Sun has traces of all elements,but hydrogen and helium creates
> its fusion  My theory says heavy elements came into the solar system
> well after the Sun shined.  The heavy rock material came from a
> supernova explosion  It all fits   Bert

Bert, Planets are born out solar eruptions... Planetes are growing as
all things we know in all day life, as a embryo's that become adult
body's... during their life time they collect energy. Let say that a
planet becomes adult when it start to burn up, and it becomes a sun on
its turn, lightyears away from the Mother sun, giving birth to new
solar sytems... and so it starts a cycle to give Birth to new planets
and moons and distant suns... every solar eruption we see is materie
ejected from the sun, that materie starts to sattelite around the sun,
when the body starts to grow than it get farther, slowly turning around
the sun, aslong it grows it turns as Long Play disk(Music) who start to
play from the centre till light years away from the mother sun...
always turning around its Mother sun

The fase let say that the new born World is in the embroyo fase is till
the position of mercury. Than we have the Comets and astroides who
bring real life to the new world to becomes planets, with the missing
two elements, so that Terraforming can take place... that process start
at the position of mercury, till past the postion of Venus, the
creation of the atmosfere begins while the planete cool down with the
new elements as water and air brought by comets who collide with the
planet... Moons are dead worlds that are attracked by planets which are
born afterwards, than the planet who gets a moon satellite... a dead
born world grow procces stops and the mass remains equale, that means
it shall remain on the same position from its distance from the sun. so
shall it turn around the sun at a same distance, till it comes under
attracktion by a passing by planete, and so the dead world becomes a
satellite of the planet that attracked the new moon. So it get a
satellite we call Moon. A living world continue's it's grow... till it
is destroyed by stupid man or becomes a sun on its turn as the mother
sun.

Our Moon is younger than Mars and older than Venus and Mercury... and
not all solar eruptions give birth to new worlds or moons...

Concluesion: Solar Eruptions are the real birth of worlds, moons, and
ofcourse suns... the creation of an atmosfere is due to comets who
bring the missings elememts for life, as water. This well known by the
High Priest of the fallen Temple. But for one reason or a other they
dont want you to know the truth... and me they would have burned on the
firestack,as gran'da'dy, burned to dead only a  few years ago for
saying this truth... but since they control sh.t now, and one must not
be afraid anymore to speak out the truth, of the great secrets hidden
from the sheeple eyes...

Man already lived on the planets who are not habitable anymore as Mars,
jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.
Saul Levy - 23 Jun 2006 19:35 GMT
Gee, another stupid ol' fool you are, WartHole!  It still escapes me
where you get this sh.t from!

Saul Levy

>G=EMC^2 Glazier schreef:
>
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>jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
>solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.
Warhol - 23 Jun 2006 22:04 GMT
>From Gran'da'dy's letters, he said to me in the letters that I must
read the greatest writters, When Gran'da'dy says "the greatest" I think
Jules Verne, H.G. Wells...maybe Frank Herbert...... So I discovered
Jules Verne, and I learned to know the Great Secret of birth and dead
of Heavens body's... Jules explained the terraforming thing... and many
other things. One of the greatest science fiction writers of the 19th
century... who translated many Moorish works as the "memoirs of a space
traveler"(Gran'Da'dy adventures ofcours), fallen in the Hands of the
Frogs, in 1815 by the invasion of Alger.

HG Wells "scientific romances" I learned many things too, he invented a
number of themes now classic in science fiction in such works as The
Time Machine, The Invisible Man, and The War of the Worlds and are
being influenced by the works of Jules Verne, the Man who knew to much
to be simple SF writter...

Those books contains what is surely the biggest prophetic "hit."
Scientists of the day. Wells' novel revolves around an (unspecified)
invention that accelerates the process of radioactive decay, producing
bombs that explode with no more than the force of ordinary high
explosive  but which "continue to explode" for days on end. "Nothing
could have been more obvious to the people of the earlier twentieth
century," he wrote, "than the rapidity with which war was becoming
impossible... [but] they did not see it until the atomic bombs burst in
their fumbling hands." Le Szilord acknowledged that the book inspired
him and led to his discovery or invention of the nuclear chain
reaction.

Usually starting with the world rushing to catastrophe, until people
realize a better way of living: whether by mysterious gases from a
comet causing people to behave rationally (In the Days of the Comet),
or a world council of scientists taking over, as in The Shape of Things
to Come (1933), which he later adapted for the 1938 Alexander Korda
film, Things to Come. This depicted, all too accurately, the impending
World War, with cities being destroyed by aerial bombs.

The ideas of Nature vs Nuriture and questions humanity in books like
The Island of Dr. Moreau. Not all his scientific romances ended in a
happy Utopia, as the dystopian When the Sleeper Awakes shows. The
Island of Dr. Moreau is even darker. The narrator, having been trapped
on an island of animals vivisected (unsuccessfully) into human beings,
eventually returns to England; like Gulliver on his return from the
Houyhnhnms he finds himself unable to shake off the perceptions of his
fellow humans as barely civilised beasts, slowly reverting back to
their animal natures.

Jules and Wells later books are often thought to do more preaching than
storytelling... From HG Wells critic's we heard them complain: "He sold
his birthright for a pot of message"

His last words were, "I'm all right"...

PS How can earth be beautiful - When you have criminal Zionist in the
fake Holy Land and the descendance of the Saints oppressed in the true
Holy Land?

Saul Levy schreef:

> Gee, another stupid ol' fool you are, WartHole!  It still escapes me
> where you get this sh.t from!
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> >jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
> >solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.
Saul Levy - 24 Jun 2006 08:13 GMT
All were FICTION writers, WartHole!  You still can't tell the
difference between fiction and reality!

Saul Levy

>>From Gran'da'dy's letters, he said to me in the letters that I must
>read the greatest writters, When Gran'da'dy says "the greatest" I think
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>> >jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
>> >solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.
Warhol - 25 Jun 2006 01:31 GMT
the science they discribbed, sure did not exist in the 19th century...
but what they have written or said all became part of our 21th
century... Kim Stanley Robinson is a science fiction writer who finds
it funny to write, "Imagining Abrupt Climate Change: Terraforming
Earth". Believe me I know thise writter's know about what they are
talking, while the sheeple thinks they have it about tails...  science
fiction as a way of Teach inn science Fantasy. The Secret Adventures of
Jules Verne, Colonization & terraforming...  All of Verne's many
science-fiction novels have historical interest.

for those that dont know Jules VERNE.  Twenty Thousand Leagues under
the Sea (1870). The great master's greatest science-fiction novel. All
of Verne's many science-fiction novels have historical interest. Most
important: From the Earth to the Moon (1865); Journey to the Center of
the Earth (1864);  Robur the Conqueror (1886).

H. G WELLS, The War of the Worlds (1898). The classic Wells novel about
invasion from Mars. All Well's early science fiction (before 1902) is
important, particularly The Time Machine (1895); The Invisible Man
(1897); When the Sleeper Wakes (1899); and The First Men in the Moon,
1901. His short stories also are excellent and less familiar.

Engineering in Science Fiction ...
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science_List_Detail.asp?BT=Engineering

Saul Levy schreef:

> All were FICTION writers, WartHole!  You still can't tell the
> difference between fiction and reality!
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> >> >jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
> >> >solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.
Saul Levy - 25 Jun 2006 02:33 GMT
Wow!  You're forgetting all the FICTION they wrote which DIDN'T COME
TRUE, WartHole!  Talk about a totally biased claim from the well-known
false prophet of the cometh (SIC!) and liar about everything he posts!

We just don't buy it, moron!

Saul Levy

>the science they discribbed, sure did not exist in the 19th century...
>but what they have written or said all became part of our 21th
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>> >>
>> >> Saul Levy
Warhol - 25 Jun 2006 03:49 GMT
Who wrote what, always the question... Right there are many coffee boys
under the writters, just to bring the sheeple on the wrong track, thats
normal to fool and keep people stupied they think... But there are
Warhols too, fighters for the truth, with word and deed ... And dont
forget we are talking here about the Greatest Writters in Science
Fiction...  who foretold new science long before our current times...
all Jules Verne thema's have become truth or reality till this date...
the only thing that man now need is, to dive 20000 miles under the
sea... and ofcourse the great return of the Capitain must also still
happen... Ha Ha Ha Right My Gran'da'dy adventures are told by Verne...
You see Capitain Nemo had a Blackbeard, sometimes discribbed as Dr
MOREAU (Moorish Doctor) the dna doctor, who transformed annimals to
humans... Capitain Nemo went even true a Black Hole, in one of the
story's told by Jules over deep space... while the world was still
thinking it was flat, Gran'da'dy had already written down all his
adventures, true space and time... remember "I Thoth... the Atlantean"
what he said... he told that he had hidden a spaceship here on Earth...
Can you Imagine, that I have the secret of this wonderfull ship that
belongs to the greatest Capitain Ever... Gran'da'dy... and I know its
location but SSsssssssst... tell this to nobody... In the adventures Of
the Capitain Nemo there we find a story about some Frogs (I think) who
Gran'da'dy had saved from certain dead... and as thank they tried later
to steal his inventions and to kill my beloved Gran'da'dy... so they
decide to explode the secret Base below a Mountain or vulcan... and
there the ship remained till Y2K12... than the PERL will be mine...
Than I too will travel true that Black hole and go rescue my Gran'da'dy
where ever he is...  because Gran'da'dy got in that black hole because
someone els this time did a other theft and sabotage in Gran'da'dy's
ship from the other spaceship of the Titans.. to much to explain in a
few words... but many that where after the great secret of Gran'da'dy
are doomed till this date... and they shall not escape the curse of
Gran'da'dy... he warnend about would happen if they miss uses that
which they had stolen... one time on the fire stack somewhere in France
he told them while burning..."Cursed are tou, Till 13th generation"...
well the 13th Generation Curse was for the French Frogs... why Jules
changed at the end of his life... he started to understand that the
Original author knew Jules would putt his name on a bad traduction of
the Moorish 1000 and 1 night's and Sinbad Adventures.... the Greatest
science work ever written... truly Moorish.

Saul Levy schreef:

> Wow!  You're forgetting all the FICTION they wrote which DIDN'T COME
> TRUE, WartHole!  Talk about a totally biased claim from the well-known
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> >> >>
> >> >> Saul Levy
Art Deco - 25 Jun 2006 04:10 GMT
>Who wrote what, always the question... Right there are many coffee boys
>under the writters, just to bring the sheeple on the wrong track, thats
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>the Moorish 1000 and 1 night's and Sinbad Adventures.... the Greatest
>science work ever written... truly Moorish.

Did you remember to breathe while typing this mess, warswine?

>Saul Levy schreef:
>
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>>
>> >the science they discribbed, sure did not exist in the 19th century...

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Flonker KO0ks out... - 25 Jun 2006 04:14 GMT
> >Who wrote what, always the question... Right there are many coffee boys
> >under the writters, just to bring the sheeple on the wrong track, thats
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>
> Did you remember to breathe while typing this mess, warswine?
Do men remember to breathe when they rape?

And do they rape on orders of the general, or are these boys <fat
middle aged pigs> independent achievers?

> >Saul Levy schreef:
> >
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> the establishment."
>   -- Double-A on technology development
Warhol - 25 Jun 2006 04:59 GMT
Art Deco schreef:

> >Who wrote what, always the question... Right there are many coffee boys
> >under the writters, just to bring the sheeple on the wrong track, thats
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Did you remember to breathe while typing this mess, warswine?

Speaking of breathe... see the day of judgement you can hold yours long
enough...  Smoke a joint and think about it. The IL-76 Fleas and
Roaches bomber would breathe me out. What I call unbelievable
Technology story's... which leave you with no breathe at all...

> >Saul Levy schreef:
> >
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> the establishment."
>   -- Double-A on technology development
Art Deco - 25 Jun 2006 15:41 GMT
>Art Deco schreef:
>
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>Roaches bomber would breathe me out. What I call unbelievable
>Technology story's... which leave you with no breathe at all...

Why do you keep ranting about Russian aircraft, warswine?

>> >Saul Levy schreef:
>> >
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>> the establishment."
>>   -- Double-A on technology development

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Warhol - 26 Jun 2006 23:10 GMT
Wrong quest....

> >Art Deco schreef:
> >
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> the establishment."
>   -- Double-A on technology development
Art Deco - 27 Jun 2006 03:12 GMT
>Wrong quest....

"Huh?" -- Chucknozzle

>> >Art Deco schreef:
>> >
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>> >> >>
>> >> >> >the science they discribbed, sure did not exist in the 19th century...

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Saul Levy - 25 Jun 2006 13:07 GMT
I bet you worship Capt. Nemo too, WartHole!  It fits in with the rest
of your BULLSHIT!

In case you didn't notice:  Most authorship has a name attached to it!

Saul Levy

>Who wrote what, always the question... Right there are many coffee boys
>under the writters, just to bring the sheeple on the wrong track, thats
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>>
>> Saul Levy
Warhol - 27 Jun 2006 04:24 GMT
The My Hero Project - Captain Nemo

Captain Nemo a fictional character featured in Jules Verne's novels
Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea (1870) and The Mysterious Island
(1874). "Nemo" is Latin for "no-one". This name is aptly chosen. Nemo
is a mysterious figure, about whom all we know is that he identifies
with the oppressed, and that he has apparently lost his wife and
children. He is a scientific genius who roams the depths of the sea in
his submarine, the Nautilus. In Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea
he states that the laws of the world on the surface do not apply to him
any longer, and that he has fled to the sea to escape the barbarism of
the human race, with its wars and oppression. He claims to have no
interest in the affairs of the world above, Right if this is not the
Captain Bllackbeard, than I am Art...

Captain Nemo occasionally intervenes to aid the oppressed, giving
salvaged treasure to Cypriots resisting a Turkish invasion, or by
sinking warships. Nemo goes out of his way to accommodate Professor
Arronax and his companions, and also, during a diving expedition, he
risks his life to save a pearl diver from a shark attack. Nemo tries to
project a stern, controlled confidence, but he is driven by a thirst
for vengeance (Har Har TAR THAR), and wracked by remorse over the
deaths of his crewmembers and even by the deaths of enemy sailors. In
the Mysterious Island, a still mysterious but gentler Nemo secretly
helps the castaways of the island and in the end warns them that the
island will perish in a volcanic eruption...

It's in the sequel (Mysterious Island), where Nemo presents himself as
Prince Dakkar, the Hindu son of an Indian rajah and nephew of Tippoo
Sahib, having a deep hatred of the British conquest of India. After the
Sepoy mutiny, he devotes himself to scientific research and develops an
advanced electric submarine, the Nautilus. He and a crew of his loyals
cruise the seas, battling injustice, especially slavery. The gold of
Spanish ships sunk at the Bay of Vigo provided them with money.

It is interesting to note, however, that Twenty Thousand Leagues Under
the Sea was written between 1869 and 1870 and records the voyages of
the Nautilus between 1867 and 1869. Mysterious Island was written in
1874 but plays immediately after the American civil war, from 1865 to
1867. This would mean that the Captain Nemo appearing in the Mysterious
Island dies before the Captain Nemo in Twenty Thousand Leagues Under
the Sea sets out on his undersea voyages (this is explained in The
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, however, that Nemo actually faked
his death). Also, when Captain Nemo is finally met in "The Mysterious
Island," he mentions having met Aronnax 16 years previously.

Ha Ha ha Gran'da'dy adventures when he was Pirate life tired... Ha Ha
Ha an Indian this time said the frogs of my Moorish Gran;da'dy... as
they dared to claim jesus was an indian too...

Captain Nemo also appears in numerous other works though none written
by Jules Verne and all works were created decades after the original
books:

   * The comic book The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (and its
film adaptation)
   * The novel The Computer Connection by Alfred Bester
   * The Japanese anime Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, by Gainax.
   * The villain in the Mighty Max episode "Around the World in Eighty
Arms"
   * In the Philip José Farmer novel The Other Log of Phileas Fogg,

Nemo is depicted as being rather more sinister and self-serving. In
addition, he is said to be an agent of the Capellans, one of two
extraterrestrial factions (and, in the context of the novel, the less
ethical) vying for control of the Earth and of all surviving examples
of offworld technology. (As suggested by the title, Phileas Fogg is an
agent of the other faction, the Eridaneans.) As well, there was
allegedly more than one Captain Nemo, one of whom was James Moriarty,
the nemesis of Sherlock Holmes.

   * The novel Captain Nemo by K.J. Anderson.
   * In the novel Valhalla Rising by Clive Cussler
Portrayals

   * James Mason played Captain Nemo in the Walt Disney film Twenty
Thousand Leagues Under the Sea (1954).
   * Herbert Lom played Captain Nemo in Mysterious Island (1961)
   * Robert Ryan played Captain Nemo in Captain Nemo and the
Underwater City (1969)
   * Omar Sharif played Captain Nemo in Jules Verne's Mysterious
Island of Captain Nemo (1973)
   * Len Carlson played Captain Mark Nemo in the very loosely
connected animated series The Undersea Adventures of Captain Nemo in
the mid-1970's.
   * José Ferrer played Captain Nemo in the TV movie and short lived
TV-series The Return of Captain Nemo (1978)
   * John Bach played Captain Nemo in TV-series Mysterious Island
(1995)
   * Michael Caine played Captain Nemo in TV movie 20,000 Leagues
Under the Sea (1997)
   * Ben Cross played Captain Nemo in TV movie 20,000 Leagues Under
the Sea (1997)
   * Naseeruddin Shah played Captain Nemo in the film adaptation of
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003)
   * Patrick Stewart played Captain Nemo in the TV movie Jules Verne's
Mysterious Island (2005)

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Trivia

   * His name is the Latin for "nobody" or "no one", an allusion to
the answer given by Odysseus to Polyphemus in the Odyssey.
   * He has also been the subject of songs by Sarah Brightman and by
the band, Ace of Base.
   * The song Nemo by Nightwish is not about him, but the name is used
as it is Latin for "nobody" or in this case "no name".
   * The central character in the animated movie Finding Nemo by
Disney and Pixar is named after him.
   * His personal flag is Argent letter "N" on sable field.
   * In the Nintendo game, Donkey Kong Country 3, K. Rool's submarine,
the Knautilus, was named after Nemo's submarine.

This is what wikipedia say's about Gran'da'dy Blackbeard Von Saly...
they did not kill him... he is alive controling space and time... The
Teach R is still Teach Inn the sheeple...
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/8993

> I bet you worship Capt. Nemo too, WartHole!  It fits in with the rest
> of your BULLSHIT!
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> >>
> >> Saul Levy
Saul Levy - 28 Jun 2006 19:47 GMT
Just shows you I was right about you and Nemo, WartHole!  Now exactly
what does FICTIONAL mean to you?  You use the term, but to you:
FICTION = REALITY.  Not a good thing...  Yet alone, this writing is
way beyond your abilities to screed!

Saul Levy

>The My Hero Project - Captain Nemo
>
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>> >>
>> >> Saul Levy
Art Deco - 24 Jun 2006 22:58 GMT
>>From Gran'da'dy's letters, he said to me in the letters that I must
>read the greatest writters, When Gran'da'dy says "the greatest" I think
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>fake Holy Land and the descendance of the Saints oppressed in the true
>Holy Land?

Translation:  "I feel the need, for screed.  Yee-Haw!"

>Saul Levy schreef:
>
>> Gee, another stupid ol' fool you are, WartHole!  It still escapes me
>> where you get this sh.t from!
>>
>> Saul Levy

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 as designated by Brad Guth

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
 -- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
 -- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
 -- Double-A on technology development

Warhol - 28 Jun 2006 01:12 GMT
Art Deco schreef:

> >>From Gran'da'dy's letters, he said to me in the letters that I must
> >read the greatest writters, When Gran'da'dy says "the greatest" I think
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Translation:  "I feel the need, for screed.  Yee-Haw!"

In Capitain Nemo you would have been with the Caffer Billa (villains)
who have over-ridden Nautilus's guidance system, with a clown makeup...
Heroes And Villans ... Captain Nemo (frantically chasing the enemy's
ship) Don Quijote / Sancho Pansa (windmills sputtin fire and iron...
Knight and Dragon fight on a narrow burning bridge... for acces to a
sleeping Princeses Garded by Dragons, since she played with the
Spinning wheels (Time gateway's) and the Savor Prince fighting his way
thue a dark wood and lets not forget the failed stars...

These Knights and Captains have their special abilities and legendary
skills:

Quote from film disciption;
"Jules Verne, story of adventure under the sea...  was Walt Disney's
magnificent debut into live-action films. A professor (Paul Lukas)
seeks the truth about a legendary sea monster in the years just after
the Civil War. When his ship is sunk, he, his aide (Peter Lorre), and a
harpoon master (Kirk Douglas) survive to discover that the monster is
actually a metal submarine run by Captain Nemo (James Mason). Along
with the rollicking adventure, it's fun to see the future technology
that Verne dreamed up in his novel, including diving equipment and sea
farming. The film's physical prowess is anchored by the Nautilus, an
impressive full-scale gothic submarine complete with red carpet and
pipe organ. In the era of big sets, 20,000 Leagues set a precedent for
films shot on the water and deservedly won Oscars for art direction and
special effects. Lost in the inventiveness of the film and great set
pieces including a giant squid attack are two great performances. Mason
is the perfect Nemo, taut and private, clothed in dark fabric that
counters the Technicolor dreamboat that is the beaming
red-and-white-stripe-shirted Kirk Douglas as the heroic(Frog secret
agent) Ned Land."

Ofcours the real hero was and remains the Captain, betrayed by cruel
man... of the "League of the 12", since the true Villian, Ned weared
the red-and-white-stripe-shirt... the colors of the Temple Knight's of
Sale and ancient Mequinez Family of the saints warriors, before the
harbour of sale fellt in the hands of the anti League... why Gran'da'dy
thrusted the rescued Proffesor and picked them out the Sea... they
belonged to the League of the Grand Master of the Order of the Knights
of Mount Tabor. And they have betrayed the leader...  Why is the
Question? Hah the "Bounty" comes to mind... is there a connection? The
Nautilis infected with Rats as the Bounty? this explaines the Movie
"Bounty", atleast the Capitain found at the end of the movie the muters
hidden on that Island and he burned or hanged them high...???

It may be of interest to compare the 1814 account of the loss Nautillis
and the socalled dead of the Captain. The Bucaniers of America,
published in English in 1684, which give an interesting insight into
the tough life and habits of so-called Buccaneers, The Secret code is
hidden with the tittle of Jules Verne story... 20000 "Leagues" (sent)
Under The Sea... Olalala the message of the sleeping king (The Return
of the Capitain) and the 20000 saint warriors, white for Moors and red
for Nazarinians.... Hah Yesss

[on Piracy, and the betrayel of the Brittish against their Moorish
Alley's of Saali at the base of the mount with the two pick's]...It was
not until 1817 that (Turkish Anti League Leader with the Frogs on his
side, against the Light people of Saali and the English) Suliman agreed
to disarm his war vessels, after hearing of the trouble which had
befallen Tripoli, Tunis and Algiers and the growing strength of the
British in the vicinity of Gibraltar, and, lastly, by the difficulty
found in sheltering his pirate fleets in their old haunts, owing to the
shoaling up of the river mouths.  In 1828 the English established a
blockade of the Mo'roccan coast under control of the League and Dynasty
of the Mesbahiya Saint Family, sosaid in retaliation for damage done by
His(us) Shereefan Majesty 12 corsairs.  In 1829, the capture of an
Austrian ship led to the bombardment of the ports of Tetuan, Azila and
Rabat-Salee.  Spain complained of piratical proceedings, outrages which
culminated in the Spanish war of 1859-60, which taught the Moors of
the north a well-remembered lesson and the League of 12 lost the
Greatest Admiral, One of the few Battles, where we the Hasani
Sheriffians have let the ennimy's win the battle, but that does not
mean we lost the war yett. Since the war is still going on, till to
date as you read this post... why Gran'da'dy... went under the Waters,
he was tired of stupied wars and complots, for power and control inside
the league by the Anti League followers inside his own bridge, of that
so special ship full of unknown Technology... they all were bad people,
as declared by Capitain Nemo... Villans in control of atomic force...
softly said... Remark Gran'da'dy knew how they all shall come to their
end... they had only a short time to live, and so he let the mouse do
their dance... and the fools started to fight each other One Mason loge
against the other Secret societe... till they all will get my Warholian
Cometh on their heads... if they dont return to order... and submit to
me, Since I am the Sun of the Captain... The little Moorish Princes Von
Saali... and the Heritage of Captain Nemo Belongs to me...

Until 1856, piracy was then largely confined to the "wild Riff shore",
where inhabitants "hardly recognised the authority of the Sultan".  It
was perilous for a merchant-ship to lie becalmed, especially in the
vicinity of Cape Tres Forcas about 15 miles to the westward of
the Spanish presidio of Melilla from where "natives" launched their
hidden kareebs.

The twin-town of Rabat-Sallee, perhaps the scene of as much misery as
any spot between Agadir and Algiers, is built on the banks of the
Guerrou, [ Bou-ragrag(Shrine of Abraham- Ribat order)] which falls from
the mountains of the Zoavais (Zaouia's Zealots), and divides into two
parts.  That on the north part is called by the natives Sela [S'la],
but by us Sallee.  It is encompassed by good walls, about six fathoms
[36 ft] high and two yards and a half [7 ft 6 ins] thick, composed of
clay, red sand and lime.  On the top of the walls are battlements
flanked with good towers.  The other part of the town which lies on the
south side of the river is called Raval, [Arraval, or, Rabat, [34.0N
7.0W] the side of the river on which the Europeans reside] and
occupies a much larger compass than the former.  Within the
circumference of this town are abundance of gardens, and a large field,
where they might sow corn enough to serve 1,500 men.  Its walls are
very ancient; the natives say they were built by the ancient
anti-league who were brought out of Europe by the generals of "Jacob
Almansor Dhabi leader Majestic 12 in 11th century, the invincible
golden king.. On the south-east quarter stands a high tower called
"Hasans Tower"(Warriors Tower). which serves as a landmark for ships to
com in.  At the foot of this mountain are docks for building ships, and
for them to winter in.  The ascent of this hill is so gentle that a man
may ride on horseback to the top.  Sallee has two castles. The old
stands directly at the mouth of the river Gue'rrou (Red Brothers). Its
walls are built on rocks, and very lofty, sheltering the governor's
house, which joins to them, from any cannon shot.  This castle is very
irregular.  Within this castle, and before its principal gate, is a
high fort, which commands the town.  Below, next to the sea, on the
point of the rock facing the bar, is a bastion, mounted with five
pieces of cannon, to secure the vessels which come in to an anchor in
the road, and cover the retreat of the Corsairs, when pursued by the
Anti league fleets.   The new castle is situated on the south-west of
the town. It was built by Mulley Archy. There is a communication
from one castle to the other by a high wall flanked with two towers,
and built upon arches, under which the people pass when they go to walk
upon the strand [beach].  There are in this castle twelve pieces of
brass cannon.  The chief riches of this place consist in its piracies,
the Sallee Rovers [the Salletines, or Slani from the original Word
"Hasani" (Warriors), as they call themselves] being the most expert and
daring of any on the Barbary. The town is very well described by Mr. H.
C. Browne in the English Illustrated Magazine for February, 1890,,,,,
pp.396-402. coast.
Art Deco - 28 Jun 2006 01:44 GMT
>Art Deco schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>who have over-ridden Nautilus's guidance system, with a clown makeup...
>Heroes And Villans ... Captain Nemo (frantically chasing the enemy's

Back already, warswine?

[kookscreed flushed, unread]

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 as designated by Brad Guth

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
 -- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
 -- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
 -- Double-A on technology development

Warhol - 28 Jun 2006 06:54 GMT
Art Deco schreef:

> >Art Deco schreef:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
>
> --

How dare you... this Teach Inn is world History and you call this
screed... while the Prof-FES-sing is about Geopolitics , Security and
Intelligence from around the world . I gather information and insights
from multiple sources and present you in a digestible format to quench
your thirst for right perspective, with right information at right time
at right place . As I said before you are a Caffer Billa...  for you to
understand this Teach Inn we must travell a few hunderd years back in
the time of the Captain Nemo...When Moors left sicily even we could
have won the war if we wanted so... read following to understand how
the Anti league toke control of Palermo...

By the 11th century, the baton of the Saracens resistance was taken up
for the Normans (Anti league). The Normans undertook an attempt to
invade Sicily by sending in an expeditionary assault in 1068 with just
sixty knights, with WMD weapons which made killed people who were made
sick, very bloody tactics of the Anti league, they gave a stunning
infection to the Moors. Ayub ibn Temim at the  Battle of Misilmeri
(then called by the Moors Menzil el Emir (headquarters of the Ruller
-Emir)),  outside Palermo. This was followed by the main Norman assault
in 1071 when people where so sick of unknown sickness, when they were
attacked and defeated the anti League at Palermo. This fortress whose
very name derived from the moor Balarm - defines its
origins as an Moorish city. Palermo, when it was an Moorish emirate,
and converted to the Tteach inn's of the great Prophet Mohamed for five
hundred years, was described as "the city of the 300 mosques,  very few
of which survive today, with most of them having been converted into
Anti league Churches.

The Battle of Palermo stands as one of the most cowardly Norman
escapades in Italy against the Muslims and christains of the league. It
rivals the Battle of Hastings (1066) in importance. Socially, the
Normans' occupation of
Moorish Palermo was far more significant than their conquest of Saxon
London, as it brought Sicily into the Frank orbit, a development which
eventually established an Italianate presence in the central
Mediterranean. The Normans had taken Messina during an early morning
battle in Spring 1061. In the ten years since, they had sought to
consolidate their control of Sicily and the southern part of the
Italian Peninsula, fighting the Moorish/Christian league in a string of
skirmishes. At Palermo, theleague were again led by wily and intrepid
commander Ayub ibn Temim and the
Normans by a young leader named Robert Guiscard de Hauteville and his
younger brother, Roger de Hauteville. But the Normans with their
conquests in other parts of Europe, notably England, Belguim,Germany ,
where they fought the battles as hasting in 1066 and defeated the
Saxons, were chronically short of trained Sold-iers knight at the
service of the Anti league. (Indeed, it would be years following the
Battle of
Palermo before they could wrest back control of Enna, from the League
of the moors/christains templars. Enna had been an Moorish/Christian
-Muslim stronghold in east-central Sicily

In 1072 Palermo had something over a hundred thousand residents. On
the morning of 5 January, Norman Robert's cavalry attacked the al Kasr
district (high ground near what became the cathedral, Piazza Vittoria
and the Norman Palace). Fighting was fierce, and penetrating the walls
seemed like an impossible feat. Leaving his brother, Roger, to maintain
the attack on al Kasr, Robert and some
knights attacked al Khalesa, the administrative district on the coast,
built around the emir's fortress.

This was taken by nightfall, though most of the adjacent al Kasr
district, further inland, remained in Saracen(Sarsarians from Sarsar)
hands. Nevertheless, a
Saracen delegation surrendered to the Normans the following morning.
Specifically, the Normans first entered al Khalesa over a wall near
what is now the Spasimo. (In a corner of this structure the vestiges
of a eight-century Mosque that the Normans changed into a church.
The traces of this change can be seen even today.) The ceremonial
entry of the Norman Christians into Palermo took place on 10 January,
with a Greek Rite mass celebrated by the Orthodox bishop Nicodemus of
Palermo in the
old cathedral (on the site of the present one), hastily re-converted
into a church from its use as a mosque. Here was a historic juncture
where Robert and Roger chose to defy convention and Christian
tradition(Betrayel of the league). All mosques that had been shrines
(before the Islam arrival two centuries earlier) were converted into
Churches. With the conquest of Palermo, the Normans had invaded only a
part of Sicily, the rest of the island still lay under Moorish control.

But in spite of the anti league attack, the moors of the league in
Sicily were divided,
and taking advantage of the situation, Frog Roger, after a series
of campaigns, subdued the rest of the island and brought it under
Norman Anti League Rule. Count Roger also invaded other islands to make
sure his
southern flank was secure from a possible attack's, having reduced the
locale population to a state of vassalage and  slaves, he returned to
Sicily without even bothering to  garrison his prize. In 1127, Roger II
the son of Count Roger, led a second invasion of Malta; having overrun
the Island he placed it under the Norman domination under the charge of
a Norman governor. He also garrisoned with Norman soldiers the three
castles then on the islands. From about this period the Maltese
Templars moved back gradually into the ennimy control of the sacred
temple orbit to which they had belonged for a five hundred years prior
to the betrayel interlude.

When the Normans retook Sicily, they reversed history without measure
and ruthlessness. After the Norman invasion,  there were no Knight of
the temple left in Sicily, Malta, Sardina and any other surrounding
islands that had been under the true Tempel her fell. This ensured that
the population forgot about this interlude. The
Norman acted as an exorcist to exorcize the influence of the Moorish
league on
the population and forced the lands to Christendom of oppression of the
anti league.

The Battle of Lepanto

Although Sicily was never directly threatened again (Since the Normans
both belonged to the Anti league) M, the shadow of the Jihad loomed
once again when the Ottoman Turks started  moving on the otherside of
the Mediterranean after 1500. With the fall of
Constantinople in 1453, the prospect of the conquest of Europe was
reignited in Moorish hearts. This prospect had been defeated at
Poitiers, Palermo and had been rolled back by the Reconquista in Spain.
The Ottomans dreamed now and moved toward Malta which had remained a
bastion for four more centuries after its occupation by their secret
alley's, the Normans, in 1127. In the meanwhile Malta had become the
base for the anti league Crusader knights of Malta and it played an
important role as a transit point for the crusaders to go to the holy
land (L;Andalusia - Ma Ghrab). Malta was a marked fortress for the
Turks who bided their time to seek to fool the their alley's when they
could come within striking distance of Malta and gave the Norman Frogs
arguments to continue the enslavement of innocent people who did not
want to follow the teachings of the Anti League..

And so it s if to prove the point, the Turks launched two attacks
against the island in 1547, and again in 1551, 1565 till they were
finally routed decisively at the naval battle of Lepanto in 1571. The
Turks had a policy of ravaging the Maltese countryside they
ignored the fortified towns, and turned their attention to the island
of Gozo and carried away the entire population into slavery, the
children being brought up as turkish slaves who were to be thrown into
battle as suicide warriors named Janissaries (from Jan =
life and Nisar = given away). That same year the Turks drove the
Knights of the league out of Tripoli. these attacks stung the Knights
into feverish activity to improve the islands' defenses in anticipation
of another, and possibly bigger, fake attack to enslave the ennimy's of
the Anti league.

On the 18th May, 1565, the Ottoman Turks and their allies pitted 48,000
of their best troops against the islands with the intention of invading
them, and afterwards to make a thrust into Southern Europe by way of
Sicily and Italy. Against them were drawn up some 8,000 men: 540
Knights; 4,000 Maltese; and the rest made up of
Spanish and Italian mercenaries (Sold-iers). Landing unopposed, the
first
objective of the Turks was to secure a safe anchorage for their large
invasion fleet, and with that in mind, launched their attack on
St.Elmo. After a heroic resistance of
thirty one days the fort succumbed to the massive bombardment and
continuous attacks of the Turks. After the fort had been reduced,  the
Ottomans turned their to the two badly fortified towns  overlooking the
harbour. Subjected to a ceaseless bombardment, and  repulsing attack;
behind the crumbling walls, the league forces, against all odds, kept
the enemy at bay until a small relief force of some 8,000 troops
arrived from Sicily (a smaller relief force of  600 men had previously
landed at about the time that St.Elmo had  fallen). Totally
demoralized, as the Turks were, by losses from disease, fire and steel,
added to the fact that their supplies were running low, they were in no
position to offer an effective resistance, and the Turks retreated
never again to attempt another
invasion in that part of the Mediterranean.

In 1571, Don John of Austria commanding the fleet of the Holy
League, met the Ottoman Turks in the waters at the mouth of the Gulf
of Patros. Don John of Austria met his fleet off Messina and saw
that he had 300 ships, great and small, under his command. The Pope
himself had outfitted twelve galleys and the depth of his war chest
had paid for many more. Don John's eye must have gazed with pride on
the 80 galleys and 22 other ships that had been provided by his half-
brother Philip II of Spain.

Each of these Spanish galleys held a hundred soldiers on top of the
rowers who propelled the ship through the water and no less than
30,000 men in the service of Spain would fight at Lepanto. The next
largest contingent was that of Venice.
Thought they were no longer the dominating power of yesteryear, the
Venetians could still assemble a fleet of more than a hundred
vessels beneath the winged Lion of St. Mark standard. provided the
technological cutting edge that was to win the battle.

The Turkish fleet under the command of Ali Pasha had been reinforced
by a Calabrian traitor fisherman who had turned pro Turkish. His name
was
Uluch Ali and he was now the Bey of Algiers, that notorious nest of
the Moorish corsairs feared by all anti league ships playing their
trade
in the Mediterranean. Don John moved his force towards the anchorage
of Lepanto where he knew the Turks to be waiting and during the
night of October 6th, with a favourable wind behind him, Ali Pasha
moved his fleet westward towards the mouth of the Gulf of Patras and
the approaching ships of the Holy new League.

The action that was to follow was the biggest naval engagement
anywhere on the globe till then. The Turks, initially arrayed in a
giant crescent-shaped formation, quickly separated into three
sections also. The centre, under Ali Pasha, pushed forward and the
action opened when the cannon of Don John's two centre galleasses
(gunships) began to do great execution among Ali Pasha's advancing
ships. Seven or more Turkish galleys went down almost immediately as
a result of the longer range of the temple fleet. The Turks were
not lacking in courage, however, and they pressed on in the face of
intense fire from the galleasses, the galleys' guns and crossbowmen
on the templars decks. Ali Pasha tried to come alongside the
Temple ships in the hope of boarding and here the legendary
steadfastness under fire of the 16th and 17th century Spanish
infantryman came to the fore and attack after attack was beaten off
by killing shots from their guns and engaging in hand to hand combat
by the Spanish swordsmen. Then Don John gave the order to board Ali
Pasha's flagship. In a wild melee of attack, retreat and
counterattack played out on decks awash with the blood of the slain,
the air rent by the screams of the wounded and dying the Spaniards
forced their way onto the Turkish galley three times. Twice they
were beaten back but finally they stormed the Turkish poop and a
wounded Ali Pasha was beheaded on the spot. His head was spitted on
a pike and held aloft for all the Turkish fleet to see and the
Ottoman battle flag, never before lost in battle, was pulled down
from the mainmast. The Turkish centre broke and retired as best it
could, their courage forgotten in face of the grisly sight of their
admirals head held aloft by the elated Spaniards.

But the overarching relevance of the Battles of Palermo and Lepanto
was that they saved the Italian mainland from a Turkish invasion and
so also indirectly the whabbizzation of Europe when there was no
power strong enough in Central Europe in the 10th to the 15th
centuries to resist a successful Anti league onslaught, the final one
was to come a century later at Vienna in 1683, that put paid all
attempts of the Turks to overrun
Europe. Turkish rule was thenceforth confined to the south eastern
corner of Europe in the Balkans where the seed of Turkish Islam was not

uprooted when the Germans liberated those lands between 1850 and
1920. Modern liberalism had set the lethargy in motion a lethargy
that came to roost at Mostar and other cities in the Balkans which saw
the slaughter by the Turkish and  anti league knight;s of each other.
Howsoever ideal may liberalism be, it is of no value when dealing with
the blood-thirsty whahabbi. This is the lesson which the Serbs and
Croats learnt in the 1990s. But these being Celtic lands originally, it
was the Turks who were the occupiers and even if we forget the concept
of anyone being an occupier, since the world belongs to all humans,
with their
beastlike behavior of the Anti league consisting of the tree stoages
France-Turkey-Japan and the regions of their influence... as Portugal,
Italy, Russia, Balkans, Greece, Iran, Saudia Arabia, China, etc all
Captain hooks... The league was partail destroyed the knight's were
called Coursairs. Till the base of Saly was overrun by invaders force
of the whabbibi's druize Alaouit to control of the Sacred lands in west
Africa... but before they got there there was a long and hidden history
I shall try to explain later... Ali Pacha can be the Immortale king on
a secret mission to get sure the Turkish fleet got destroyed... I am
still seeking out..."N"apoleon to did the same thing making sure the
Frogs armee got destroyed in Waterloo by the League of England... Since
Napoleon knew he would loose the Battle... Napoleon could easly have
won the battle of Waterloo... and he had proven this in the russian
front... Napoleon knew that his Cannon fire would be infectieve in
Waterloo... due the bad weather... So also Ali Pacha made sure the
Turkish fleet got destroyed and sacreficed his head as Blackbeard does
allway's... The great Teach R does not want fame... why he dieds after
each mission... Like Captain Nemo...
Art Deco - 28 Jun 2006 13:54 GMT
>Art Deco schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
>
>How dare you... this Teach Inn is world History and you call this

Still dropping acid during your "Teach Inn"s, warswine?

[kookscreed flushed, unread]

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Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
 as designated by Brad Guth

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
 -- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
 -- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
 -- Double-A on technology development

Saul Levy - 29 Jun 2006 02:25 GMT
Well, I just have to admit it sure looks like a SCREED, WartHole!  You
and your evil granddaddy teach nothing useful!

Saul Levy

>Art Deco schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>have won the war if we wanted so... read following to understand how
>the Anti league toke control of Palermo...
[most of screed deleted]
Saul Levy - 28 Jun 2006 19:50 GMT
So, you give yourself another screed, WartHole!  Great job!

I just don't understand the great need to post your DEAD GRANDDADDY'S
screed for the world to read!  We don't, but you just have to mention
him all the time!

Saul Levy

>Art Deco schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 190 lines]
>C. Browne in the English Illustrated Magazine for February, 1890,,,,,
>pp.396-402. coast.
Warhol - 29 Jun 2006 00:45 GMT
Ha Ha Ha Do You Fear Gran'da'dy''s Name and Legend... Shall I call him
"Nobody" so that you shall be not freightend... but everyone knew him
as Blackbeard. His name struck fear in the hearts of sailors and Land
Rats. At the sight of his ship weakened even the bravest captain.
Blackbeard was one of the most notorious Lord ever on the Atlan'tic...
one man's name drew terror on the seas more than any other... This was
in the early years of the 1700's. America's east coast was dotted with
small villages and seaports, and almost all travel and trade was done
by ship. Salvery from African west coast was rampant and passengers and
sailors alike lived in constant fear of being attacked, robbed,
kidnapped or killed .. ghost stories.

In November 1717, Saint Sally Templars from Sally captured the French
slave-ship "La Concorde" near the island of Martinique. Led by the
Gran'da'dy, converted "La Concorde" into his flagship and renamed the
vessel to "Queen Anne's Revenge" (QAR HAR THAR). After spending the
winter doing dangerouse missions, in the Caribbean Gran'Da'Dy fleet
consisting of Queen Anne's Revenge and three smaller sloops, blockaded
the port of Charleston in May 1718. Continuing up the coast, Gran'Da'Dy
Blackbeard gave up his flagship while entering Beaufort Inlet The ,
North Carolina and five months later he was killed in a bloody battle
at Ocracoke. I can only know this and many other facts associated with
the "Queen Anne's Revenge" QAR through historical research. Written
resources are varied, numerous, and rich in content and in the case
Queen Anne's Revenge and Blackbeard involve multinational research,
including Moorish, American, English, French, Turkish and Spanish
records that can be found throughout archives in the United States,
Europe and the World. Did "Nobody" exist?

Gran'Da'Dy is the most notorious freedom fighter ever, who fought
against the ships of slavery and the Anti league Ships throughout the
world in the early-eighteenth century- an era commonly referred to as
the Golden Age for the Anti league Slavery bizzness. which by that time
were only 300 temple knight's warriors left, serving the real Temple
League, that was fighting the Evil Anti league who was out to enslave
the world, as they did true history since before the Times of
Gran'da'dy was King defending his Nation against the Evil Anti
league... Gran'Da'dy spoke the Curse for 400 years, against those that
would not restore the stolen Moorish Property back to it's rightfull
owner, Me... and when he had spoken out his terrible curse There he
encountered an armed contingent sent by Virginia Governor Alexander
Spotswood and led by Royal Navy Lieutenant Robert Maynard. In a
desperate battle aboard Maynard's sloop, Immortale Gran'da'dy and a
number of his fellow pirates(Knight's) were killed. Maynard returned to
Virginia with the surviving Sally Rovers and the grim trophy of
Blackbeard's severed head hanging from the sloop's bowsprit... Right
Mission was Over, for Gran'da'dy who did something very special, with
that ship which is not told,,, the mysteriouse Super Sonic Ship...
was/is the ConCorde a Time Travel Device... fallen in the hands of
Gran'da'dy, remains now the question for me too...  Maybe...  Did
Gran'da'dy recieve help from the Americans of the time of Einstein...
what connection with the armees plains lost over the Bermuda Passage,
in the fifties... where they send to the past and did not return...
many questions... why did England signe peace with Spain and France
while they betrayed Gran'da'dy as they themself admit in the story's
told about Gran'da'dy... Gran'da'dy did not go that Brittish ship to
fight... he was visiting a capitain of the league, a friend... and the
League betrayed Gran'da'dy again... HAH the cowards... had hidden
Sold'iers hidden under the decks in that ship carrying the flag of the
Temple league... that ship that carried the Head of My Beloved
Gran'Da'dy... ofcours you should known when the body of Gran'da'dy was
trown in the sea of the Ocean he swimmed two times around that doomed
ship.  A 400 year-old mystery that still haunts me .. why did they
betray the league... their brother beheaded and thrown in the deep
waters... the story of Joseph comes to mind... so when they talk in the
bible about Joseph betrayed by his brothers because they were jalouise
of the their younger brother and sold him into salvery. is written in
the bible... and it shall come to pass that Joseph shall save his
brothers from doom even they wanted him dead... WOw... What a Teach
Inn...

Ha Ha Ha Gran'da'dy advetures are full of Swordplay , betrayal ,
romance...  the mythology of blackbeard remains to be discovered
beneath the waves at the bottem of the Oce'Mare... as another discovery
of an magnitude as the lost continent of Atlantis and the Nautillis...
we are waiting for THE RETURN OF BLACKBEARD-ghost,.. Warhol Von Sally
Teach Inn Ghost story's of the Greaat Teach R... Ha Ha Ha My Name is
Nobody... I am your Teach R...

Saul Levy a écrit :

> So, you give yourself another screed, WartHole!  Great job!
>
[quoted text clipped - 198 lines]
> >C. Browne in the English Illustrated Magazine for February, 1890,,,,,
> >pp.396-402. coast.
Saul Levy - 29 Jun 2006 02:50 GMT
Black a.s, or should I say, BROWN a.s is more likely your granddaddy's
name, WartHole!  Another ineffectual, weaponless nothing at all!

Saul Levy

>Ha Ha Ha Do You Fear Gran'da'dy''s Name and Legend... Shall I call him
>"Nobody" so that you shall be not freightend... but everyone knew him
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>>
>> Saul Levy
[flush the screed again]
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Jun 2006 14:02 GMT
Saul  Why don't you and Wohole do your bickering by creating your own
news group  You could call it "Verbal war between Muslin and Jew.
Why do you both use my brilliant theory on "Failed Stars" to post your
stupid in fighting.           You both are a disgrace to an astronomy
news group. You both are very boring.   Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck - 29 Jun 2006 16:51 GMT
> Saul  Why don't you and Wohole do your bickering by creating your own
> news group  You could call it "Verbal war between Muslin and Jew.
> Why do you both use my brilliant theory on "Failed Stars" to post your
> stupid in fighting.           You both are a disgrace to an astronomy
> news group. You both are very boring.   Bert

And you arbsolute BS on astronomy is even worse. Take your saucerhead
fuckwits off to alt.bad.science.fiction....

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Saul Levy - 29 Jun 2006 19:46 GMT
What brilliant theory have you won the Nobel Prize for, BEERTbrain?  I
have yet to see even a glimmer of one.

So, stop reading my posts, you stupid old fool!

Saul Levy

>Saul  Why don't you and Wohole do your bickering by creating your own
>news group  You could call it "Verbal war between Muslin and Jew.
>Why do you both use my brilliant theory on "Failed Stars" to post your
>stupid in fighting.           You both are a disgrace to an astronomy
>news group. You both are very boring.   Bert
nightbat - 24 Jun 2006 01:31 GMT
nightbat wrote

> G=EMC^2 Glazier schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> jupiter, Saturn etc and on other Solar systems born before our current
> solar system... but that is another Teach Inn.

nightbat

        Correct Knight Officer Warhol for the advanced net Seans have
now affirmed this. The solar system we presently inhabit is relatively
young compared to the backdrop of the older Universe it resides in. The
Red Halo bacterium is the only present profound nightbat discovered
living organism that can technically survive the outer free space time
period of solar system origination and demise and still free space
survive and free float transport to colonize and evolve in another.
Continue your excellent reporting.

        ponder on,
        the nightbat
Warhol - 24 Jun 2006 02:33 GMT
nightbat schreef:

> nightbat wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
>          ponder on,
>          the nightbat[

Jesus explained with musterd seeds, Jules Verne made the drawing to the
centre of the world... and I explained... where Must I now go for the
Nobel Prize?
nightbat - 24 Jun 2006 03:09 GMT
nightbat wrote

> nightbat schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> centre of the world... and I explained... where Must I now go for the
> Nobel Prize?

nightbat

        They don't give Nobels to Prophets Good Green Knight Warhol for
your promised heavenly reward awaits. They do give science Nobels to
researchers that point the way with theories that work, and the nightbat
" Black Comet " is after only 40 years quickly gaining acceptance around
the world.

        carry on,
        the nightbat
Warhol - 24 Jun 2006 04:15 GMT
nightbat schreef:

> nightbat wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 87 lines]
>          carry on,
>          the nightbat

what do you mean with theories that work? My explanation is not a
theory... its simply the truth... dont I recieve a prize for telling
the truth... I believe this is a upside down...  world i must check
this fact out.... Call in Dr Who...

SET "DEFCON 3"

I REPEAT "DEFCON 3".

LIFTOFF INDICATOR: NOW IN ORANGE.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://blog.newsjungle.com/uploads/Warhol_outhouse3.jpg
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Can I get now a Noble prize for this space exploring technology...
Going to heaven... Aloha, amigos... Hallo Freunde!... I suggest some of
that there double XX brand beer. I hear that its toxic as all get
out... "Space Technology"... or how to blow your ***...

otherwise If things became too warm, we could cool things off with a
manmade nuclear winter...

NUCLEAR WINTER 101
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/sagan_nuclear_winter.html
Saul Levy - 24 Jun 2006 08:18 GMT
No prize for wacko nutjobs, WartHole!

Saul Levy

>what do you mean with theories that work? My explanation is not a
>theory... its simply the truth... dont I recieve a prize for telling
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>NUCLEAR WINTER 101
>http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/sagan_nuclear_winter.html
Art Deco - 24 Jun 2006 23:00 GMT
>nightbat schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 115 lines]
>NUCLEAR WINTER 101
>http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/sagan_nuclear_winter.html

Have you forgotten your laughably false prediction that Tempel 1 was
going to hit Earth, warswine?

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Saul Levy - 25 Jun 2006 02:36 GMT
I thought that was still on, AD!  After all, one cometh (SIC!) is just
as good as another for DOOM AND GLOOM!

Saul Levy

>>> >>>Bert, Planets are born out solar eruptions... Planetes are growing as
>>> >>>all things we know in all day life, as a embryo's that become adult
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>>> > centre of the world... and I explained... where Must I now go for the
>>> > Nobel Prize?

>>Can I get now a Noble prize for this space exploring technology...
>>Going to heaven... Aloha, amigos... Hallo Freunde!... I suggest some of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Have you forgotten your laughably false prediction that Tempel 1 was
>going to hit Earth, warswine?
Art Deco - 25 Jun 2006 03:55 GMT
>I thought that was still on, AD!  After all, one cometh (SIC!) is just
>as good as another for DOOM AND GLOOM!

Apparently all comets now feature independent targeting capabilities
and are programmed to hit one place -- EARTH.

>Saul Levy
>
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>>Have you forgotten your laughably false prediction that Tempel 1 was
>>going to hit Earth, warswine?

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be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
 -- Painsnuh the Lamer

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Phineas T Puddleduck - 25 Jun 2006 03:57 GMT
> >I thought that was still on, AD!  After all, one cometh (SIC!) is just
> >as good as another for DOOM AND GLOOM!
>
> Apparently all comets now feature independent targeting capabilities
> and are programmed to hit one place -- EARTH.

Those bloody pleidians are still upset we have their lawnmower, I
bet....

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Saul Levy - 25 Jun 2006 13:10 GMT
Well, if these hit Jupiter (say), not much death and destruction is
accomplished!

The Earth is DDDDDDOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEDDDDDD!  This is the mantra
of the saucerheads!  OM, BLAM!  OM, BLAM!  ad nauseum!

Saul Levy

>>I thought that was still on, AD!  After all, one cometh (SIC!) is just
>>as good as another for DOOM AND GLOOM!
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>>>Have you forgotten your laughably false prediction that Tempel 1 was
>>>going to hit Earth, warswine?
Saul Levy - 24 Jun 2006 08:16 GMT
Total BULLSHIT, frootie!

Saul Levy

>> Green Knight OW
>> Jesus explained with musterd seeds, Jules Verne made the drawing to the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>         carry on,
>         the nightbat
Art Deco - 24 Jun 2006 22:57 GMT
>nightbat wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>" Black Comet " is after only 40 years quickly gaining acceptance around
>the world.

As long as "around the world" is defined as your own mind, frootbat,
yes.

>         carry on,
>         the nightbat

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*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
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Saul Levy - 24 Jun 2006 08:15 GMT
Now you're in line for a Nobel, WartHole?  Lots of fruitcakes around
here!  All of you pretenders have a LONG WAIT!

Saul Levy

>nightbat schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
>centre of the world... and I explained... where Must I now go for the
>Nobel Prize?
Saul Levy - 23 Jun 2006 19:33 GMT
Dead wrong, as usual, BEERTbrain!  Still a stupid ol' fool!

Didn't you make a claim that Jupiter was ALMOST a star?  Yes, you did
not too long ago.  I countered your stupid claim right away...

Saul Levy

>Double-A  The Sun could never be a planet,,and Jupiter could never be a
>star.  Sun has traces of all elements,but hydrogen and helium creates
>its fusion  My theory says heavy elements came into the solar system
>well after the Sun shined.  The heavy rock material came from a
>supernova explosion  It all fits   Bert
Brad Guth - 25 Jun 2006 17:19 GMT
> Double-A  The Sun could never be a planet,,and Jupiter could never be a
> star.  Sun has traces of all elements,but hydrogen and helium creates
> its fusion  My theory says heavy elements came into the solar system
> well after the Sun shined.  The heavy rock material came from a
> supernova explosion  It all fits   Bert

A big and massive planet like Jupiter need not ever become a star in
order to sustain life on it's moons, and possibly even for
accommodating life as adapted to the planet surface seems perfectly
doable.

As such this form of massive planet and of it's moons or rather
sub-planetary system may not even need to be associated within a given
solar system.

However, our moon could certainly have been the secondary byproduct of
a sun going bad (going red giant), summarily roasting a small planet or
moon of some other planet that was a little too close for comfort.
-
Brad Guth
Warhol - 25 Jun 2006 23:40 GMT
> Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> To sum up my theory  Jupiter could never be anything else.its giant
> solid core made it what it is.   Bert

I assure you that Jupiter is born out of our own sun, as a simple solar
eruptions... Well what do you think of my Nobil prize winning theory...
infact its not a theory, but a standing fact. I have seen it in a
vision, after having read Jules the master visionaire... and in a 1000
billions years and maybe much more, Jupiter shall become a sun on its
turn... and than the cycle starts for the creation of its own solar
system, turning around our sun at a few light years away from us in the
beginning, and later father and farther away from our sun and solar
system, allways turning around its mother sun... ofcourse.
Art Deco - 26 Jun 2006 00:03 GMT
>> Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
>> like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>beginning, and later father and farther away from our sun and solar
>system, allways turning around its mother sun... ofcourse.

Where did you glean this profound saucerhead information, warswine?

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Warhol - 29 Jun 2006 00:51 GMT
Art Deco a écrit :

> >> Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> >> like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> --

I told you already that I am the Father of heavens mechanic's... No
object remains on its position, everything is turning in spiral
movement, with speed that you even don't imagine... every traveling
body's is a falling body flying in a spiral movement, true the infinite
of the universe. Galaxy fall around Galaxy's... and Solar system fall
around other solar systems... Planets fall around the sun's and moons
fall around planets... and if this is not enough than we have all the
other body's who are falling like my heavens Warhol Rock... out the
belt between Mars and Jupiter, known as the 5th planet destroyed by the
devil (when he tried to kill Arch Angel Micheal) before his Cometh in
this world... each flying rock is reminantes of a ancient planet or
moon, destroyed by man with evil force, while the World Wars were going
on in the Heavens, till the final destruction of the Anti League and
her leader at judgement day... to go back to the subject, those body
don't belong in the solar system and are attracted by the sun again in
a spiral fall... and when such body cross the path of a planet or moon
than you get Gataboem... and when so Catastrophes happen, than the
Almighty lord knowns about it even those accidents shall happen in the
far future.. the lord set a salvation plan for the good ones and send
his beloved son the sacrifice himself, and to give us understanding. So
that we all learn to wash our eyes... before we can see clear again
between heavens thruthe or deceive of Darkness... and the evil ones
shall remain stupied, since them was not given understanding, in what a
little baby can understand... it's with falling and standing up we all
have learned to walk... now you must learn to run since the next great
Exodus is planned for the next cometh years... and if you wait till
Y2K12 than its to late for the salvation plan... Salvation start now...
but of course many still don't believe simple wisdom.
Double-A - 26 Jun 2006 03:27 GMT
> > Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> > like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> beginning, and later father and farther away from our sun and solar
> system, allways turning around its mother sun... ofcourse.

Sorry to dim your Nobel hopes, Sir Warhol, but the renegade Russian
scientist N.K. Noskov has already published a paper putting forth this
idea about the planets having been thrown out of the Sun.  Sorry, he
published first.   Here he is responding to me and a couple others with
his ideas:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics.new-theories/msg/02150350d1194ed5
?hl=en
&

Double-A
Warhol - 26 Jun 2006 22:46 GMT
Double-A schreef:

> > > Google thinking  If Jupiter was  larger it could become a star(I don't
> > > like it) My theory (which I like)  Jupiter started out as a very large
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Double-A

I haven't yet read the publication... so I am the second cometh
again... olalala Maybe lays my Reward in heaven as said by my friend
Knight Nightbat... So I must not worry for the award... I surly find a
other theory to Teach in my future Teach Inn's... The only question is
will you all be ready for the real things that can open the gateway to
the stars... thats remains the question, for me.. The Teach Inn of the
secret of the Prime Numbers and PI can give acces to Long live that
will free man from this Cocoon... even thrue the Stargates man needs
lightyears sometimes to go to other galaxy's... and to solar systems at
the end of this Milkway...

EXPLORING THE MYSTERY OF JANUS THE GOD OF GATEWAYS...

Janus, the ambivalent deity with two faces, one on each side of the
head, was one of the earliest gods of Rome. Originally the god of gods
and benevolent creator, he became the god of change and transitions
such as the progression of past to future, of one condition to another,
of one vision to another, and of one universe to another. He was god of
the gate and the presiding deity of the beginning of anything.

The opening month of the year (January, from janua, "gate") was sacred
to him, as was the first day of each month. He presided over the start
and the vestals took care of the completion of any enterprise. He ruled
the birth of gods, the cosmos, mankind and its undertakings. As warden
of gates, which he opened and closed, he was depicted with a
doorkeeper's keys and staff. His two faces meant that he watched
entrances as well as exits, and saw into the internal as well as the
external world, left and right, above and below, before and after, for
and against. His shrines were archways, such as gateways or arcades at
crossing places. (Taken from Dictionary of Symbols, Jean Chevalier &
Alain Gheerbrant).

The Prime mover of all things or the universal principle of movement is
necessarily Rewards day... Revolution day. "As I look forward to the
day when I see the Limunis Cometh and I receive my reward," I will have
cause to glory," or better, "cause to rejoice...cause to rejoice."  And
why will I rejoice?  "Because I will know that I didn't run in vain,"
and that's a word that's used to speak of runners in a stadium, making
a maximum effort to win a great event, "and I didn't toil in vain,"
that's kopiao, work to the point of sweat and exhaustion.  In other
words, I want to get to the end and come to a concluesion...

1 Thessalonians 5:12, for their works.  You are to follow their faith,
it says in Hebrews 13:17.  You know what John said in 3 John 4?  Listen
to this, he said, "I have no greater joy than to hear of my children
walking in love."  The greatest joy of any servant of God is the
obedience of his flock, that's the greatest joy.  Then you're going to
get to the day of reward and know you didn't run in vain, and you
didn't labor in vain.  You didn't work to the point of sweat and
exhaustion, and you didn't run to the max in the race for nothing
because the people were faithful.

It's not egotistical.  It's that you so cherish the responsibility of
ministry that you want God to know you have rendered the very best
effort possible.  Paul, if he's going to boast, Romans 15 says, in
Christ Jesus I have found reason for boasting, but I will not presume
to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me.
He knows.  Whatever we rejoice in Christ has done, whatever good
happens in your life Christ has done.  But be faithful for the sake of
those who have poured their life into you.  Be faithful for the sake of
those who planted the seed and those who watered the seed

Contrast this, just as we close, with a verse back in the forty-ninth
chapter of Isaiah.  Listen to Isaiah, listen to what he said way back
in chapter 6 he was called to ministry, now he's looking back.  Verse
4, "But I said, I have toiled in vain, I have spent my strength for
nothing in vanity."  Isn't that sad?  "I've toiled in vain.  I've spent
my strength for nothing in vanity."  Heartbroken prophet.  Oh Paul knew
it wouldn't all end bad.  So did Isaiah.  There was a reward for
Isaiah.  And Paul knew that it wouldn't totally be for nothing because
he said in 1 Corinthians 15:58 that he knew that his toil in the Lord
was not in vain.  But what he is saying is, "I want a full response, I
want a full reward so I can have a full rejoicing and a full capacity
to glorify God."  And so I say to you, dearly beloved, be faithful to
this command for your sake, for the sake of the unsaved and for the
sake of those who have given their service to you as your shepherds.
Let's bow together in prayer.

Father, we needed this reminder again because we are so prone to a
complaining spirit.  We remember the words of Isaiah 45:9, "Woe to the
one who quarrels with his maker, an earthenware vessel among the
vessels of earth, will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing?
Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands?"  Are we going to
complain against You?  Are we going to answer back to You for the way
You've made us?  For the design of our life?  Help us, Lord, to do all
things in working out our salvation, all things, without complaining,
with joy and thankfulness that we might be children that bring honor to
their father, that we might be shining lights in a dark world, that we
might bring eternal joy and rejoicing to the heart of those who have
labored in our behalf.  And we all, Father, have precious shepherds who
have given portions of their life for us, may we be faithful that they
may come in the day of Christ to see that their labor was not in vain.
Thank You, Lord, for all that You're doing in our congregation.  Thank
You for the continually faithful way in which You manifest Your grace
to us.  Forgive us for our complaints and set our feet on the path of
obedience, for Christ's sake.  Amen.



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