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Space Forum / Astronomy / April 2006Accelerator The Size of the Universe
Seems the super string theory came to be only in the mind'"s eye of great thinkers(was it before its time?)Much to hard to relate superstring theory to any type experiments Hmmm If I came up with just one experiment I would get the Nobel. Any math. possible? I don't think so. Any equations,or Feynman diagrams? I don't think so. #Why am I just now thinking "approximation" Seems I think that might fit in. Might end up with approximate answers ,and that could give us hopefully some approximate equations??? Why is all I just typed factual Reason superstrings are very tiny stuff. Best to keep in mind that the smaller an object is,the more powerful particle accelerators have to be built. That begs the question how big would we have to make the accelerator to view a superstring. Answer "Accelerator the size of our universe". That's nice my post started and ended with the same sentence TreBert Oops just recalled the size of a superstring. It is "approxametly" 100 million million times smaller than an atomic nucleus. Go Figure > Seems the super string theory came to be only in the mind'"s eye of > great thinkers(was it before its time?)Much to hard to relate [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "approxametly" 100 million million times smaller than an atomic nucleus. > Go Figure The most appropriate simulation of the Universe, is the Universe, itself, as it were.  Signatureah > > Seems the super string theory came to be only in the mind'"s eye of > > great thinkers(was it before its time?)Much to hard to relate [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The most appropriate simulation of the Universe, is the Universe, itself, > as it were. A.K.A. "The Big Simulation". Double-A >> > Seems the super string theory came to be only in the mind'"s eye of >> > great thinkers(was it before its time?)Much to hard to relate [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > A.K.A. "The Big Simulation". A.K.A. "The Holo-Nacho". Signatureah > >> > Seems the super string theory came to be only in the mind'"s eye of > >> > great thinkers(was it before its time?)Much to hard to relate [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > A.K.A. "The Holo-Nacho". A.K.A. "The Nacho Grande". Double-A Chi Chi's. ah We see the universe with telescopes,and radio detectors etc,but that is our macro realm world very large objects,and with great distances. We need great big accelerators to go into the microscopic micro realm world that is a very tiny Planck world of Planck energies,Planck length. Planck mass,Planck time,,and going with string theory "Planck tension" Best to keep in mind gravity is the strongest force in this tiny microscopic Planck size world TreBert > ah We see the universe with telescopes,and radio detectors etc,but > that is our macro realm world very large objects,and with great [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > theory "Planck tension" Best to keep in mind gravity is the strongest > force in this tiny microscopic Planck size world TreBert Sure; it's gana take a few hundred years, though, before we make instruments as sensitive as the Human Brain. Until then, the Scientific Method is merely a road-block. Signatureah ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert Road-block, no; mire, yes. Seriously: some things are perceivable by the human brain, only . . . the tools we need to truly support the Scientific Method (reproducible, peer-review) just don't exist. Without the tools available to others they can use to verify the results, my dissertation-proof "The n-Dimensional Topology Of Meta-Atomic Sterical Waveform Genesis" is as valuable as my vanity plate. /Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you. Signatureah > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > my dissertation-proof "The n-Dimensional Topology Of Meta-Atomic Sterical > Waveform Genesis" is as valuable as my vanity plate. My, ah, you must normally keep four-fifths of your brain tied behind your back! > /Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you. > -- > ah Well, I see Saturn all the time without a telescope on my nightly walks. Is that proof enough? Now that I have made out Venus's phase with my naked eyes, perhaps next I will try to make out Saturn's rings! I have since confirmed that Venus is in its quarter phase now just as I saw it the other night, and is close to the Earth now so it appears large. Before when I thought I could see the phase, I would turn my head and the images would rotate with my head, proving that I was only seeing my own astigmatism. But this time when I rotated my head, the image stayed perpendicular, so I was really seeing it. This means that surely some ancients with keener eyesight that me must have noticed it too, and so I'll bet the knowledge of its phases predates Galileo. I wonder if Saturn's rings can be seen with a keen naked eye? Double-A > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > > > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Double-A Turns out that ancient Babylonian texts repeatedly refer to the "Horns of Venus". One interpretation on this is that they were observing the phases of Venus. There are some Mayan writings which could also indicate a knowledge of Venus's phases. Oddly, some ancient texts describe the "Hair of Venus", a description usually used to describe comets. Did Venus once have an observable tail? Interestingly, Venus does have a tail, but not one we can see with our eyes today. See: "A Tale from Venus Saturn may have rings, but did you know that Venus has a tail? First discovered in the late 1970's by Pioneer Venus Orbiter, the tail of charged particles was discovered 70,000 km from the planet. Recent findings from the SOHO solar probe reveal that the tail extends almost to Earth's orbit - some 45 million kilometres (see diagram). The Earth does not have a similar tail because of its magnetic field which protects our atmosphere from the solar wind. In the case of Venus, the solar wind strips particles from the upper atmosphere and scatters them in a similar way to the formation of a comet tail." http://www.asnsw.com/universe/1998/btbv-12980199.htm Double-A > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > > > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Double-A Interestingly, there are references in ancient writings ascribing "horns" to both Saturn and Venus. Double-A > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > > > > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Double-A I read something about ancient Tarot which associated Saturn with the astrological symbol for Tarus (horns). > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me > assure [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > I read something about ancient Tarot which associated Saturn with the > astrological symbol for Tarus (horns). Yes. Isn't that interesting. Why would they ascribe horns to Saturn unless they could see something sticking out? Galileo even with a telescope first called the rings ears. It would seem that among the ancients who dedicated their lives to observing the stars that there must have been some with exceptional eyesight. Perhaps they were even chosen for that trait. I think that too much of modern ssholarship smells too much of the study lamp, and people are too unwilling to go out and look for themselves. Double-A > > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me > > assure [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > unless they could see something sticking out? Galileo even with a > telescope first called the rings ears. My brother-in-law has ears like that, looks weird! He's weird, also! It would seem that among the > ancients who dedicated their lives to observing the stars that there > must have been some with exceptional eyesight. Perhaps they were even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Double-A > > > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let > me [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > My brother-in-law has ears like that, looks weird! He's weird, also! I had a classmate back in school with ears like that too. He's doing hard time in the penitentiarry now. Double-A > > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me > > assure [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Double-A From Isaac Asimov... ---------------------------------------------- Perhaps the astronomer with the sharpest eyes was the American... Edward Emerson Barnard, 1857-1923. In the 1890s, he thought he detected craters on Mars; but he didn't announce this formally. He didn't think anyone else would see them and he feared he'd be laughed at. But he was one hundred percent right. It took seventy years and the development of rocket-powered Mars probes to demonstrate the fact. ---------------------------------------------- Barnard also discovered Jupiter's satellite Amalthea and Barnard's star, the second-nearest star system to the Sun. It's been my contention for a long time now, AA, that there were ancients such as yourself who had "eagle eyes". And there would have been substantial application, even need for such people. If i am correct, and it was astronomers who created, designed and invented religion, imagine them hiring you, a person who can see a comet and its tail several nights before anybody else could see them. See how useful this would be? especially when there is a whole village, or even country, of people who would bow to the one who could "foresee" such an awesome omen? SignatureSMILE! make that light come shining thru! Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net Painius There were people 3 hundred years ago that could see over the horizon and predict the ship would be arriving days in advance. I know how they did it. TreBert Not days in advance, you old fool! Hours! And, they weren't seeing over the horizon, you stupid fool! Saul Levy >Painius There were people 3 hundred years ago that could see over the >horizon and predict the ship would be arriving days in advance. I know >how they did it. TreBert > Painius There were people 3 hundred years ago that could see over the > horizon and predict the ship would be arriving days in advance. I know > how they did it. TreBert There's a certain class of mirage that can allow one to see over the horizon, TB. SignatureThe bigger yer SMILE! the better yer STYLE! Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net > > > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let > me [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > country, of people who would bow to the one who could > "foresee" such an awesome omen? Yes indeed. I'm not eagle eyed by the way. If I could see it, others with normal vision should be able to see it too. The image I saw of Venus was not clear. But though blurry, it gave me enough information to determine that the object I was looking at was not round, but had an up and down elongation. The impression the blurry image gave me was indeed that it had horns at top and bottom, little spikes of light. The ancients my have found ways to enhance their vision too. They had glass you know. Double-A > > > > > > > > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let > > me [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > Double-A The ancient ancients who didn't have glass had ice. They could build fires using ice to focus the sun's rays, and they could see enemies approaching in advance. And of course, they could see the wanderers (planets) closer up. But at night, it didn't help them to see the lions coming. For protection from the lions, they built observatories! And to protect themselves against ancient coffeebois, they invented *religion*. <g> "HUH?" --> Mother Goose You see, Mother, the ancient astronomers used their great and conditioned eyesight to "foresee" fearfull things like comets. So the village people would hold these ancient scientists in awe and respect. Then, when a silly coffeeboi came around, the astronomer but had to point at the coffeeboi, and the villagers would mob the coffeeboi, poking and kicking the poor li'l coffeeboi until the coffeeboi was just filled with holes. < sigh > Those were the days, mon ami, those were the days! SignatureSMILE! it increases your face value. Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net >You see, Mother, the ancient astronomers used their >great and conditioned eyesight to "foresee" fearfull >things like comets. Do you know about the Disk of Nebra? http://www.crystalinks.com/nebraskydisc.html http://science.orf.at/science/urban/76965 C. > > You see, Mother, the ancient astronomers used their > > great and conditioned eyesight to "foresee" fearfull [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > C. Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it up close! SignatureSMILE! it increases your face value. Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net >Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it >up close! They had an exposition in Austria: http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/d/aktuelles/sonderausstellung/nebra/index00.html and now there is one in Germany: http://www.naturparkreisen.de/kalender/nebra-ausstellung.htm 10.3.2006 bis 16.7.2006 Der geschmiedete Himmel Die Himmelscheibe von Nebra > > Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it > > up close! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Der geschmiedete Himmel > Die Himmelscheibe von Nebra Thank you, C! i'll try to make one of those expos. Do you know if anyone's challenged its authenticity? Could it be a hoax? SignatureSMILE! goose.tickle.tickle.goose Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net > > > Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it > > > up close! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ > http://www.painellsworth.net I was hoping there would be a crescent Venus on there somewhere. You know, Lucifer was once associated with Venus, another connection of Venus with "horns"! Double-A > > > > Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it > > > > up close! > > > > > > They had an exposition in Austria: http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/d/aktuelles/sonderausstellung/nebra/index00.html > > > and now there is one in Germany: > > > http://www.naturparkreisen.de/kalender/nebra-ausstellung.htm [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Double-A Hmm... funny thing is, i thought it *did* depict a crescent Venus. I thought the disk was the full moon, the most impressive moon, and the crescent was Venus, to me *much* more impressive as a crescent than it is when it's gibbous (remember the glass and ice?). When Venus is "new" it's invisible between Earth and Sun And when "full" it's on the other side of the Sun. No need to depict two moons, though i may be wrong. Perhaps the disk was Mars as seen through ice or glass? SignatureSMILE! goose.tickle.tickle.goose Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net > > > > Definitely an interesting study, C. I'd love to see it > > > > up close! > > > > > > They had an exposition in Austria: http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/d/aktuelles/sonderausstellung/nebra/index00.html > > > and now there is one in Germany: > > > http://www.naturparkreisen.de/kalender/nebra-ausstellung.htm [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Double-A Evil is everywhere! HJ > Do you know if anyone's challenged its authenticity? European archeologists are pretty sure it's authentic. > Could it be a hoax? Well yes, with an appropriate time-machine :-) C. Double-A You must be far sighted. Florida has no telescopes. Its sky is milky,and its a clear night when I can see the moon. I think that the Planck length,and the size of the universe are like both ends of a spectrum. TreBert >> > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure >> > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > My, ah, you must normally keep four-fifths of your brain tied behind > your back! It's restin'. >> /Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you. >> -- >> ah > > Well, I see Saturn all the time without a telescope on my nightly > walks. Is that proof enough? But, how do you /know/ it's Saturn? > Now that I have made out Venus's phase with my naked eyes, perhaps next > I will try to make out Saturn's rings! What rings? > I have since confirmed that Venus is in its quarter phase now just as I > saw it the other night, and is close to the Earth now so it appears [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I wonder if Saturn's rings can be seen with a keen naked eye? No; one can, however, perceive the degree to which the reflection of their 'face' when presented to the Sun is transmitted to our retina's rods and (to a lesser extent) cones. btw, how can an eye be clothed? Signatureah > >> > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > >> > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > But, how do you /know/ it's Saturn? Thousands of years of tracking! > > Now that I have made out Venus's phase with my naked eyes, perhaps next > > I will try to make out Saturn's rings! > > What rings? Get a scope. > > I have since confirmed that Venus is in its quarter phase now just as I > > saw it the other night, and is close to the Earth now so it appears [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 'face' when presented to the Sun is transmitted to our retina's rods and > (to a lesser extent) cones. Whatever that means, it must be profound! > btw, how can an eye be clothed? If you have a lisp? Double-A > > >> > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure > > >> > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > btw, how can an eye be clothed? > If you have a lisp? Or with colored cognitive lenses ath's ya dreamth with your mind's oile asleep. Cordially, RL >> > >> > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure >> > >> > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Cordially, I'll take blue; thx. Regards, Signatureah >> >> > ah If you think that science has reached a road block,than let me assure >> >> > you this road block is in your brain only. TreBert [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thousands of years of tracking! Tracking what? A 'bright light' in the sky? >> > Now that I have made out Venus's phase with my naked eyes, perhaps next >> > I will try to make out Saturn's rings! >> >> What rings? > > Get a scope. Which part of "/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope" didn't you read? >> > I have since confirmed that Venus is in its quarter phase now just as I >> > saw it the other night, and is close to the Earth now so it appears [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Whatever that means, it must be profound! Possibly. >> btw, how can an eye be clothed? > > If you have a lisp? Noth. Signatureah ah That is very good. We theorize super string theory with our brain. It makes our brains go into the unknown. QM can make our brain very dizzy. We have to use our brains to reach out further than our eyes can see even with the best telescopes,or other EM detectors. We have the help of computers to analyze experiments,and also speed up processing of data. Our brain's can approximate very well,and we approximate the speed of light better by using lasers with computers. Trebert > ah That is very good. We theorize super string theory with our brain. > It makes our brains go into the unknown. QM can make our brain very [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > data. Our brain's can approximate very well,and we approximate the speed > of light better by using lasers with computers. Trebert Viva los Holy Grid! Signatureah Like DA, I've seen it without a telescope many times. You do have a problem, don't you! Saul Levy >/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you. > Like DA, I've seen it without a telescope many times. You do have a > problem, don't you! > > Saul Levy > >>/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you. But, how do you /know/ it is Saturn? Signatureah Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in telescopes up to 4-meters. This matches what's been written about Saturn from Galileo on. If that isn't enough for you, then you most definitely have a major problem! Saul Levy >> Like DA, I've seen it without a telescope many times. You do have a >> problem, don't you! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >But, how do you /know/ it is Saturn? > Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. > It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>But, how do you /know/ it is Saturn? Which part of "/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare you." didn't you understand? Signatureah > > Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. > > It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > ah The space probe Pioneer 11 proved that Saturn existed back in 1979 by going there. Double-A > > > Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. > > > It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > The space probe Pioneer 11 proved that Saturn existed back in 1979 by > going there. What type of proof is that? Cordially, RL > > > > Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. > > > > It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > RL "Shut up!" - ah Double-A Unlike BEERTbrain, you don't have to go there to prove anything! But, you are right, DA, it does prove it without a telescope. Saul Levy >> > Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. >> > It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Double-A The ancients called that moving dot Saturn. Isn't that enough for you? It is the same dot. A different moving dot didn't just sneak in and take its place. Saul Levy >> Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. >> It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Which part of "/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare >you." didn't you understand? > The ancients called that moving dot Saturn. Isn't that enough for > you? It is the same dot. A different moving dot didn't just sneak in > and take its place. While Big Ben is Big Ben--this is true--I've never seen the tower that I've heard exists in London. Have you? Truly, you can take my word that it exists, or you can take others'. Do you then actually 'know' that it exists? re: Pioneer 11 is a telescope on a slingshot. >>> Well, to put it most simply for you, I've also used a telescope on it. >>> It IS Saturn. No doubt whatsoever! And it still looks like Saturn in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>Which part of "/Prove/ that Saturn exists without a telescope . . . I dare >>you." didn't you understand? Signatureah "Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun; Conspiring with him how to load and bless With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eaves run." ~ John Keats, "To Autumn" |
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