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Space Forum / Astronomy / November 2005Truth ???????????????
What is truth in science. Physics as I see it is the science of "approximation" Lets consider celestial mechanics with newton thinking. He said the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be a nice circle. He forgot to think about all the gravitational pull of Mars and Jupiter or Earth's own moon. We now know planetary orbits are only approximately elliptical. Now why not precisely elliptic ? reason is its impossible because it is what's known as the "three body problem" No math. equation can be made to fit Reality is its to complicated Best to keep in mind the gravitational attraction that one planet exerts on the Sun will indirectly effect the other planets,as the each effect each other an to top that off they are all in motion. Not even knowing the gravity strength of each object is enough. Truth is scientific theories are approximations. Newton's are good theories,and Einstien's are better. QM is better than both,and still approximations have to be used. Go figure Bert herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in alt.astronomy: > What is truth in science. Physics as I see it is the science of > "approximation" There are no serious scientists who will tell you their theories represent the truth, and certainly not in physics, including astronomy or cosmology. Newton didn't claim so, nor did Einstein. There's no need to define "truth", certainly with the knowledge that all "truth" we aquire is through observation with our senses, and the knowledge that the very act of obsercation changes that "truth", or "reality". The scientific method is quite detached from the definition of truth. It simply wants to establish if we can explain phenomenon we observe with a theory, and if we can predict phenomenon with that theory. As soon as the theory explains 100% of all phenomenon possible, and predicts 100% of all phenomenon that will happen, there's no use to distinguish between theory and reality, that is, the reality as we observe and manipulate it. If a mathematical model describes and predicts everything about the core of an atom, or the "substance" of a string, what use is there to ask how it "really looks like"? The mathematical model is as accurate for "viewing" the unseen string as the visual model our eyes create of a chair we look at. Both are "approximations", but what's the use if we aren't able to "approximate" any further? We can't, and we wouldn't be able to comprehend.  SignatureCeeBee ***The Place Where The Faith And The Flavour Meet*** To You All My theme was to show our science (theories) are not the whole "truth" The better the theory the closer to the truth. Did not say Einstien's theories of relativity proved Newton wrong. Fact is Newton's laws of motion work very nicely when velocities are small as compared to that of light. SR works better at "c' Newton's law of gravitation works very well when gravitational forces are not to intense. GR works with very strong gravity. Better approximation is the difference. GR cannot be used when one has to consider distances less than about 10-^33 centimeters,or a times less than 10-^43 Best to keep in mind that at such times and distances quantum actions become important(quantum fluctuations). Well I'll keep defending my post of "truth" as long as you remember I'm using "truth" in the sense of obtaining and "exact" understanding of what is happening in nature. The defence does not rest,and will be back. Bert You could have fooled me, BEERT! Saul Levy >To You All My theme was to show our science (theories) are not the whole >"truth" The better the theory the closer to the truth. Did not say [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >obtaining and "exact" understanding of what is happening in nature. >The defence does not rest,and will be back. Bert > To You All My theme was to show our science (theories) are not the whole > "truth" The better the theory the closer to the truth. Did not say > Einstien's theories of relativity proved Newton wrong. They were only a minor correction to it when near light speeds were involved, saucerhead. Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. > To You All My theme was to show our science (theories) are not the whole > "truth" The better the theory the closer to the truth. Did not say [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > obtaining and "exact" understanding of what is happening in nature. > The defence does not rest,and will be back. Bert It's good that you defined it, Bert, because what you are obtaining are "facts", not "truth". The problem may be that what many people relate "truth" to is philosophy, whereas "facts" are related to science. Some would argue that this is merely a semantics argument, but it's truly and factually much more... What really matters is what rings in people's ears! Otherwise, what you SAY (or WRITE) and what they HEAR (or READ) can easily be two different things. happy days and... starry starry nights! SignatureBe very wary... For Life will zooomm past ya, Pay heed when you hear Tempus fugit ad astra! http://www.nelson-atkins.org/tempusfugit/ Dates in calendar are closer than they appear! Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net Hi Painius Right you are. The new hate mongers that are trying to push us old timers out do it by complete disagreement. Hard to discuss thoughts on science when they are just showing their Muslin religion and all the bigotry that it stands for. Well getting back to physics and its use of approximation here is a good example. Those that work at the Cern accelerator can only give the best approximation as to the out come of the experiments. Bert From Painius: >It's good that you defined it, Bert, >because what you are obtaining are >"facts", not "truth". "Consensus reality" is what defines whatever 'truth' or 'facts' are currently in vogue. Ptolemaic geocentrism was absolute 'fact' to the smartest people of their day. Today the reigning intelligencia's absolute 'truth' is that space is functionally a void. Indeed there is nothing new under the sun. oc >From Painius: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >absolute 'truth' is that space is functionally a void. > Indeed there is nothing new under the sun. oc The saucerhead always goes back to the aether trough to munch. SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka ... Hi Painius I used the word "truth" for this post for this reason. Science is a search for the truth. Bert > Hi Painius I used the word "truth" for this post for this reason. > Science is a search for the truth. Bert Yes, and science is also so much, much more, Bert. So to continue, science must search for FACTS with which to support an hypothesized "truth". Take Gamow for instance... He searched for an origin for our Universe. And he came up with what was later to be unfortunately named "The Big Bang". Ever since, science has been hard at work searching for FACTS which would support Gamow's hypothesis. And so far, enough FACTS have been found to transform Gamow's hypothesis into a scientific theory--a very strong scientific theory. However, science has learned to be very careful in its search for "truth". Probably the most often cited reason for this is Piltdown Man. Remember Piltdown Man?... http://skepdic.com/piltdown.html Briefly, the "truth" science was looking for was that man's big brain came before everything else... walking upright, eating meat, and especially tool making. And in 1913 they found exactly the FACT that supported this "truth". They found Piltdown Man, a skull with a human cranium and an attached apelike jaw. This "truth", that man's brain had become a modern size BEFORE the other manlike traits came to be, had been so deeply embedded in the minds of anthropologists that it wasn't until forty years later(!) in 1953 that Piltdown Man was exposed as a hoax. That's more than HALF an average lifetime! And since then a whole lot of evidence has been uncovered which are FACTS in support of the "truth" that the big brain of mankind came long *after* bipedalism, carnivorous eating habits and the making of crude tools and, yes, weapons. So yes, science often begins with a philosophical search for "truth", and yet it must always and inevitably reach a point where this search extends to the finding of evidentiary FACTS to be used *in support* of that which is believed to be a searched for and discovered "truth". If being understood is important to you, Bert, then you must always remember... "Truth" is the very general, philosophical idea of reality, and FACTS are the actual pieces of scientific evidence found which can be used either to support or to refute the "truth". happy days and... starry starry nights! SignatureTwinkle twinkle little star, I don't wonder what you are, What i *really* want to see... Is there someone there like me? http://www.seti.org/ Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net/ Hi Painius Fact is science is searching for the best approximation,and that could always be the best we can hope for.That begs the question. Can there be no GUT? Bert Hi oc Quantum space,and the proof there are waves in space is in this spacetime is changing our view of space. The word "fabric" will take the place of Vacuum Bert > From Painius: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > absolute 'truth' is that space is functionally a void. > Indeed there is nothing new under the sun. oc Well, without db and OG to kick around (yeah, i've pretty much given up on Owen, too. I still read him a little, but i can't see any use in conversing with him) we'll just have to use each other as dartboards <g>. While there is no challenge to your ideas above, i believe that's its still wise to rely on the scientific method. Just because a child has head lice is no reason for any huge embarrassment. It's when nothing is done about the head lice... now *that's* humiliating. And didn't science finally do something about the "head lice" called geocentrism? In his search for "truth", Ptolemy, a mathematical genius, made the math FACTS fit the long-accepted "truth" that Earth resided at the physical center of the universe. But others, like Copernicus, in *their* search for "truth" had come to believe that the Sun, not the Earth, was at the universe's center. Neither was actual "truth", but one turned out to be "a little truer" than the other. And you, of course, know the rest of the story. Eventually, the discovery of more and more FACTS has led to our present-day "truth" about physical reality. As even more FACTS are discovered, we can expect hopefully to get closer and closer to the actual "truth". Any good scientist would heartily agree with this. And anyone in search of "truth" can find a strong and powerful ally in science. And besides, i never even *heard* of the continuous big bang model and flowing space and supra-cosmic overpressure until i came here. So there is, from time to time, something new under the Sun--both you and Ecclesiastes notwithstanding! <g> happy days and... starry starry nights! SignatureTwinkle twinkle little star, I don't wonder what you are, What i *really* want to see... Is there someone there like me? http://www.seti.org/ Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net/ >> From Painius: >> > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >So there is, from time to time, something new under >the Sun--both you and Ecclesiastes notwithstanding! <g> You call the aether "new", saucerhead? SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ... From Painius: >..anyone in search of "truth" can find a >strong and powerful ally in science. Science, in its search for truth COULD find a strong and powerful ally in simply observing WHAT IS. As enumerated previously: 1.) The high, fixed propagation speed of light witnesses to a carrier medium of a particular pressure/density/'Temperature'(PDT). 2.) The fact that there is NO PERCEPTIBLE UPPER LIMIT TO THE AMPLITUDE OF EM RADIATION witnesses to a carrier medium of even greater energy density than the most energetic wave it carries. 3.) The behavior of gravity is that of a pressure-driven, accelerating flow into mass. It has the ability to crush even massive stars down to BHs. This witnesses to a medium under incalculably high pressure. If there is "no medium", how is gravitation, and gravitation of such magnitude, accomplished? (One thing's for sure- it ain't accomplished by geometry and 'curvature' which are abstract _descriptions_ of the process.) oc >From Painius: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >oc Always with the aether rants, you are a one-trick pony, saucerhead. SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ... > From Painius: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > oc hmm... > Science, in its search for truth COULD find a strong and powerful ally > in simply observing WHAT IS. Did you notice how OG, after all this time, said he thought that all along i had been advancing the concept of flowing space as the flow of a material fluid? That's the first thing that pissed me off. But the stroke that nailed down his coffin was when he said he thought that i was talking about *your* flowing space model. And that's why he thought i was talking about a material fluid flow. So after all this time i've finally gotten it into his head that i've been talking about the flow of ENERGY, but he still thinks YOU are talking about a flow of a material fluid. Then on top of that, he goes on to maintain that energy fields are only static and do not flow... "But a field is not a flow," he says. Electromagnetic radiation is the dynamic flow of e and h fields. How do he esplain this, Lucy? Neither he nor db are even *trying* to understand this, so until they at least show an effort, i'm done with the both of 'em. Their brains are so hooked 'n cooked on void space that they're not giving this "truth" an even chance. Here's a question which no one, except Wolter, can seem to answer to my satisfaction... It's an obvious fact that when sound waves travel through the air, they are "waving" the air. And it's an obvious fact that when a hit song goes out "over the airways", the music is modulating (waving) a radio-frequency (RF) carrier. It either "waves" the strength of the RF carrier, as in amplitude modulation (AM), or it "waves" the value of the frequency of the RF carrier, as in frequency modulation (FM). So... what is the RF carrier itself waving? the air? Let's look a little closer... suppose we set up a container with a vacuum pump. And we're careful to choose a container we can see through, a transparent one. So before we begin the pumping of the air out of the container, we look through it to see, say, a bookcase on the other side. There's just a bit of distortion, but let's disregard this for now and be happy with the fact that the light reflecting off the books is reaching our eyes through the transparent container. By the way (BTW) did i mention that we have better than the best vacuum pump in the world? Well, let's accept that our pump will pump out ALL the air, all the matter, from the see- through container. Now that we have replaced all the air in the container with a "perfect vacuum", does the container go dark? When we look through it can we see the bookcase? Magically it seems, the light bouncing off the books is making its way through the "empty" container to our eyes! These reflected e and h fields of light (electromagnetic) energy are somehow getting from the bookcase to the container, through the side of the container, through the "vacuum" inside, through the other side of the container and into our eyes. How do they do that? We can run tests to see if the light behaves as a wave, or if it acts like a particle. But the light will act like a wave in some tests and like a particle in other tests, but never both a wave *and* a particle in any one particular test. So is light like a bullet or a wave when it speedily goes from the bookcase to the container? Is it like a bullet or like a wave when it goes through the sides of the container? A bullet or wave when it travels briskly through the vacuum inside the container? When precisely do light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation behave like waves, and when do they act like particles (photons, quanta, "little bundles of energy", bullets)? And why does the speed of electromagnetic radiation decrease through air and other non-"vacuum" materials?... medium speed of light % of c ===================================== vacuum 299,792,458 m/s 100 % air 299,702,547 m/s 99.97 % water 224,900,568 m/s 75 % glass 199,861,638 m/s 66.7 % crystal 149,896,229 m/s 50 % diamond 124,034,943 m/s 41.4 % ===================================== Why? and if you say, "Because different materials offer higher resistance to light," then... WHY? HOW? What actually is the nature of this resistance? and if you say, "The speed of light (EM waves) depends on the temperature and pressure of the medium," then i ask, precisely HOW does temp. and pressure "hold the light back" and decrease its speed? The density talked about is a "material density", and it is seen to decrease as we go from bottom to top in the table above. So the speed of light increases as material density decreases. But what about "energy density"? Who KNOWS what energy lurks in the heart of space? G. Wolter knows!... http://www.sanmarvillas.net/~maggie/Sounds/115.wav http://www.sanmarvillas.net/~maggie/shadow.html And as long as we're telling the "truth", here's a FACT... I'm just kiddin' about Owen and Zinni. I could care less if they want to keep being vacuum dreamers. happy days and... starry starry nights! SignatureTwinkle twinkle little star, I don't wonder what you are, What i *really* want to see... Is there someone there like me? http://www.seti.org/ Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net/ From Painius: >...he (OG) goes on to maintain that >energy fields are only static and do not >flow... "But a field is not a flow," he says. > >Neither he nor db are even *trying* to >understand..., so until they at least show >an effort, i'm done with the both of 'em. The Void-Spacers are as heavily invested in their worldview as the geocentrists were in theirs. There is "no medium", and that's their inviolable truth, their absolutism. And they will carry it to the grave. Just as the geocentrists before them. >And why does the speed of >electromagnetic radiation decrease >through air and other non- "vacuum" >materials?... >Why? and if you say, "Because different >materials offer higher resistance to light," >then... WHY? HOW? What actually is >the nature of this resistance? Seems more to do with refractivity and reflectivity within the atomic lattice of the material. So light has taken a 'zig zag' course by time it comes out the other side and resumes its normal straight-line propagation in free space. >The density talked about is a "material >density",... so the speed of light >increases as material density decreases. >But what about "energy density"? Remember that the 'Temperature' of space is an analog of thermal temperature; it's the function of pressure and density. >Who KNOWS what energy lurks in the >heart of space? The farther you penetrate into deep space, away from _all_ matter, the higher the pressure/density/'Temp' (PDT) of the spatial medium. Then as soon as any mass enters the picture, you have a drain, a flow sink and 'reverse starburst' flow into it, otherwise known as a gravity well or 'gravity field'. This has all been beat to death before, but the value of c is dependant on the *local* PDT of space. That means that across the PDT gradient of a gravity well, the speed of light is seen to vary _AS OBSERVED FROM AN EXTERNAL FRAME_. Meanwhile, from here 'inside' our Sun's gravity well, looking out, we see artifacts of of the PDT gradient.. such as the (apparently) anomalous acceleration of the Pioneer spacecraft. Looking farther out, across the _cosmological PDT gradient_, we see more artifacts such as the 1a supernovae ('standard candles' of luminosity) appearing dimmer than they 'should be' at a given redshift. The most ancient light, which began its journey _in denser, 'hotter' space_, naturally loses amplitude as it propagates into 'our' less-dense, 'cooler' space. Nothing mysterious here. Yet under the "no medium" premise, the 1a supernova dimming is interpreted as evidence of 'ever-accelerating expansion' of the universe. So der qvestion of whedder or not space is a 'void' has enormous implifications on the biggest qvestions in cosmology and astrophysics.. such as the ultimate fate of the universe. oc "BS" <oldcoot@webtv.net> babbled in message news:19374-438493ED-17@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net... > From Painius: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > dimming is interpreted as evidence of 'ever-accelerating expansion' of > the universe. Throwing Light on Dark Energy Robert P. Kirshner "The published sample of high-z supernovae has now been extended to the decisive redshift range of z 1 (18, 20, 21), where the effects of cosmology begin to change sign from making supernovae dim to making them a little brighter than they would otherwise appear. These observations sample directly the epoch when the balance between dark energy and dark matter tilted from cosmic deceleration because of dark matter to cosmic acceleration caused by dark energy. This opens the prospect of learning how the dark energy behaves as the universe expands on the basis of careful observations in the era at the onset of cosmic acceleration." http://hometown.aol.com/ajdubreuil/zz-DarkMatter/06-ThrowingLight-DarkEnergy-191 4.html > So der qvestion of whedder or not space is a 'void' > has enormous implifications on the biggest qvestions in cosmology and > astrophysics.. such as the ultimate fate of the universe. > oc Hi oc don't like the word "resisting" Light never slows down. Different materials can absorb and emit photons(some have more inner reflecting) Best to keep in mind my theory of reflected light, the heart of my theory is photons don't bounce. Bert > > From Painius: > > > [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ > http://www.painellsworth.net/ Hi oc Love that "Who knows what energy lurks in the heart of space? Answer is QM knows. Adding space energy the amount now known to what was already known equals the energy and matter needed to complete the universe,and now it has no missing parts. I like that Bert > > From Painius: > > > [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > higher resistance to light," then... WHY? HOW? What > actually is the nature of this resistance? See: http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/ What is left unsaid in the press release is that a negative index of refraction implies FTL speed. Double-A > and if you say, "The speed of light (EM waves) depends > on the temperature and pressure of the medium," then i [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ > http://www.painellsworth.net/ >> From Painius: >> > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > i've been talking about the flow of ENERGY, but he still thinks > YOU are talking about a flow of a material fluid. But the discussion in these threads has included talk about something that has pressure and temperature. Both pretty material properties to me. > Then on top of that, he goes on to maintain that energy fields are > only static and do not flow... "But a field is not a flow," he says. If you are interested in truth (the title of this thread) you need to be more careful in what you say. I did indeed say that a field is not a flow, and I then justified that by adding "A flow is necessarily dynamic, whereas a field may be static". An electric field exists between the plates of a charged capacitor. This is a static field, in that there is no 'flow'. However, nowhere did I say that fields are 'only static'. Speaking of which. . . > Electromagnetic radiation is the dynamic flow of e and h fields. > How do he esplain this, Lucy? And do these fields depend on a medium ? To All Since there is no "fact" or "truth" that means no "final answers" We can even make models,and of course they can in time be replaced by better models etc. I have notice we never seem to bring gravity attraction into micro objects,such as atoms.(why?) Is the reason the behavior of the electrons in an atom cannot be calculated exactly,and bring gravity into the scenario only creates more problems? Things have to get very complicated with say an oxygen atom it having 8 electrons outside that positive nucleus,and they in turn repulsing one another.Still leaving out other forces and particularly gravity I don't like at all. No perfect circle,No perfect math No irrefutable "truth", No evidence of fact. Could the universe be telling us that fact finding is a waste of our time,and to run with the best approximation and make it fit with experiment. We know QED a great theory yet its math had to be fudged by Feynman(renormalization) to make the theory work Go figure Bert > To All Since there is no "fact" or "truth" that means no "final answers" > We can even make models,and of course they can in time be replaced by [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > theory yet its math had to be fudged by Feynman(renormalization) to make > the theory work Go figure Bert Fact is the effects of gravity within the atom can be easily calculated. But its effects are small compared with the other forces which are observed to be at work there. Double-A Hi Double-A You posted gravity is very weak between say electrons and protons,and that is very true because EM force is so much stronger. However Hawking does not rule out the possibility a proton could be a black hole. Go Figure Bert From Bert: >Hawking does not rule out the possibility >a proton could be a black hole. Dunno about Hawking, but Wolter saw the proton as a microscale BH analog.. replete with high spin rate on a polar axis. oc From Bert: >...gravity is very weak between say >electrons and protons,and that is very >true because EM force is so much >stronger. This is the belief under the Void-Space Paragijjm(VSP). If there is no medium, the fundamental forces _must_ be separate and discrete entities rather than simply different manifestations of One Flow driven by One Force. oc > Hi Double-A You posted gravity is very weak between say electrons and > protons,and that is very true because EM force is so much stronger. > However Hawking does not rule out the possibility a proton could be a > black hole. Go Figure Bert I don't know about that. Under Hawking's theory a black hole the mass of a proton would evaporate very quickly in a flash of Hawking Radiation. Double-A Hi Double-A Well I read Hawking has no limit to how small a black hole can be. Still I don't cotton to all of Hawking's thinking especially on decay. Protons can outlast our universe.,and that is proven by experiment. How come we don't hear from nightbat,and Ray? nightbat might be carried away by the spray,or most likely those Huntington Beach girls. Bert > Hi Double-A Well I read Hawking has no limit to how small a black hole > can be. Still I don't cotton to all of Hawking's thinking especially on > decay. Protons can outlast our universe.,and that is proven by > experiment. How come we don't hear from nightbat,and Ray? nightbat > might be carried away by the spray,or most likely those Huntington Beach > girls. Bert Sil did say that nightbat might be in for a sweet surprise. But Ray is still just missing in action. Double-A "Well I read Hawking Proclaims no limit to how small a black hole Can be. Still I don't cotton to all of Hawking's thinking Especially on decay. Protons can outlast our universe ~ Proven by experiment. How come we don't hear from nightbat, And Ray? Nightbat might be carried away By the ocean spray ..." ~ Bert "Or perhaps, if excellent company found Enjoying a cranbery scone." ~ Capsicum >> From Painius: >> > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >Their brains are so hooked 'n cooked on void space that they're >not giving this "truth" an even chance. There is no aether, get over it, saucerhead. SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ... >>> From Painius: >>> > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > There is no aether, get over it, saucerhead. The saucerhead can't understand why two solids in space could attract each other gravitationally without some silly "glue" binding them together, whatta marooon! Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. >>>> From Painius: >>>> > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >other gravitationally without some silly "glue" binding them together, >whatta marooon! They need something to beat their heads against! SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ... "Razzmatazz Pizzazz Pizzazz Razzledazzle ~ !" ~ Zag Heur > What is truth in science. Something your word salads are incompatible with! >Physics as I see it is the science of > "approximation" The word "approximation" is an eufemism for saucerheads trying to even understand the most simple basics of physics. > Lets consider celestial mechanics with newton thinking. He > said the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be a nice circle. He never said that, saucerhead, he certainly was aware of the works of J. Kepler 70 years earlier. > He forgot > to think about all the gravitational pull of Mars and Jupiter or Earth's > own moon. Which are almost neglectable and statistically compensating each other, saucerhead. > now know planetary orbits are only approximately elliptical. Yep, did you solve Lagrange's three body problem yet, saucerhead? > Now why not precisely elliptic ? reason is its impossible because it is > what's known as the "three body problem" Century old problem, saucerhead. Moreover this problem is about finding an algebraic solution instead of a numeric one, but you certainly don't understand this, saucerhead. > No math. equation can be made to > fit Reality is its to complicated Maupertuis' least action equations certainly does, as does Euler's equations of movement, ignorant saucerhead. > Best to keep in mind the gravitational > attraction that one planet exerts on the Sun Oh, drop dead, silly saucerhead, the Sun's mass takes up about 98% of the mass of the solar system, what would some far away light planets influence it's barycenter, saucerhead? > will indirectly effect the > other planets,as the each effect each other an to top that off they are > all in motion. Of course they are in motion, saucerhead, what did you think they were, playing cards, saucerhead? > Not even knowing the gravity strength of each object is > enough. The gravity strenght of each object is exactly known, by Newtons laws, itiotic saucerhead. > Truth is scientific theories are approximations. No the solutions to the partial differential equations are approximations, not the partial differential equations themselves, utterly idiotic saucerhead; > Newton's are good theories,and Einstien's are better. The are only better when velocities approaching the velocity of light are involved, you extremely utterly idiotic saucerhead. Do you really think relativity is used when calculating orbits for probes into the solar system, you retarded extremely utterlyl idiotic saucerhead? > QM is better than > both, QM only concerns the microcosmos and uses the approach of Fourrier transformation, something retarded saucerheads have no clue about, saucerhead. > and still approximations have to be used. The word "saucerhead" is still an approximation of the prehistoric human genetical remains that still try to survive between normal humans, saucerhead. remains > Go figure Bert Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. >> What is truth in science. > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > >Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. This fine saucerhead spanking is APPROVED. SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka ... >>> What is truth in science. >> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > This fine saucerhead spanking is APPROVED. They come in all flavors these days.... Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. >>>> What is truth in science. >>> [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > They come in all flavors these days.... your flames are boring. Boy, you guys are being really hard on BEERT! Remember, he IS a genius (for a saucerhead)! Gafaw, gafaw (sp.?). Saul Levy >> What is truth in science. > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > >Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. > Boy, you guys are being really hard on BEERT! Remember, he IS a genius > (for a saucerhead)! Gafaw, gafaw (sp.?). > > Saul Levy WHHHahahHHHHAHazhahHHAHAHahahahaa!!!! >>> What is truth in science. >> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >> >>Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. >> Boy, you guys are being really hard on BEERT! Remember, he IS a genius >> (for a saucerhead)! Gafaw, gafaw (sp.?). >> >> Saul Levy >> >WHHHahahHHHHAHazhahHHAHAHahahahaa!!!! Let the record show that Beert had no answer to these comments. >>>> What is truth in science. >>> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>> >>>Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. SignatureOfficial Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy "The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia." "Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core." -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004 "I am a sean being from another planet." -- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka ... >>> Boy, you guys are being really hard on BEERT! Remember, he IS a genius >>> (for a saucerhead)! Gafaw, gafaw (sp.?). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Let the record show that Beert had no answer to these comments. Like a good saucerhead he runs away from the debate. >>>>> What is truth in science. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>>> >>>>Go finger, Bert, something you must be way more successful at. Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in news:9434-43810719-114 @storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net: > What is truth in science. Physics as I see it is the science of > "approximation" Lets consider celestial mechanics with newton thinking. > He said the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be a nice circle. No he did not. http://burndy.mit.edu/Collections/Babson/Online/Principia/ Klazmon. <SNIP< > What is truth in science. Physics as I see it is the science of > "approximation" Lets consider celestial mechanics with newton thinking. > He said the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be a nice circle. Newton said NO SUCH THING. > He > forgot to think about all the gravitational pull of Mars and Jupiter or > Earth's own moon. We now know planetary orbits are only approximately > elliptical. Now why not precisely elliptic ? reason is its impossible > because it is what's known as the "three body problem" It's much more than this. > No math. equation > can be made to fit Reality is its to complicated Best to keep in mind > the gravitational attraction that one planet exerts on the Sun will > indirectly effect the other planets,as the each effect each other an to > top that off they are all in motion. Not even knowing the gravity > strength of each object is enough. As far as I can tell, this is gibberish. > Truth is scientific theories > are approximations. Newton's are good theories,and Einstien's are > better. QM is better than both,and still approximations have to be used. > Go figure Bert Go to the back of the class. >> What is truth in science. Physics as I see it is the science of >> "approximation" Lets consider celestial mechanics with newton thinking. >> He said the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be a nice circle. > > Newton said NO SUCH THING. Indeed, Keplers works, which were already 75 years old were known to him. >> He >> forgot to think about all the gravitational pull of Mars and Jupiter or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's much more than this. Don't try to argue with a saucerhead boy, they are clueless about any real science. >> No math. equation >> can be made to fit Reality is its to complicated Best to keep in mind [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > As far as I can tell, this is gibberish. What else could one expect from a saucerhead? >> Truth is scientific theories >> are approximations. Newton's are good theories,and Einstien's are >> better. QM is better than both,and still approximations have to be used. >> Go figure Bert > > Go to the back of the class. To no avail, I'm afraid. Signaturemhm 27x12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 Bartlo's hate lits #1: <40376AD8.C83FBF5A@enter.net> CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc. The Way of the Kook: http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm in Message-ID:<1132269600.466534.275940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms: "w.nk on, twit." in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com> Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how the sun has an 'iron core': "The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron based core, and both have an electrical force between them." in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com> Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language: "With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..." in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com> Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying: "Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I know more then you." in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com> Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions: "The jews roots are islamic." in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com> Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history: "WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written." in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com> Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science: "Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle." in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com> Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again: "Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?" in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com> Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger on her hand: "Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or Pentagram?" reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain> The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole. raving.loonie@gmail.com <> wrote: > It's been a long time since I've posted anything, but as I sit here at > work at 9am tweaked out of my mind and still craving another line, I > realise that maybe I should be making a better attempt at facing up to > my newest problem instead of burying my head in the sand. > raving.loonie@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > It's been a long time since I've posted anything, but as I sit here at > > work at 9am tweaked out of my mind and still craving another line, I > > realise that maybe I should be making a better attempt at facing up to > > my newest problem instead of burying my head in the sand. A good start would be the removal of your head from your a.s; it seems to be buried there, not in the sand ... raving.loonie@gmail.com <> wrote: > Do you mean now, or before I became a woman? raving.loonie@gmail.com <> wrote: > I was never on TV but I was on radar 10 times. raving.loonie@gmail.com <> wrote: > I wish I was someone else. Then I could kiss myself. |
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