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Space Forum / Astronomy / September 2005Physicists say universe evolution favoured three and seven dimensions
http://www.uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=12361 > http://www.uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=12361 "Physicists say universe evolution favored three and seven dimensions CONTACT: Vince Stricherz vinces@u.washington.edu 206-543-2580 Physicists who work with a concept called string theory envision our universe as an eerie place with at least nine spatial dimensions, six of them hidden from us, perhaps curled up in some way so they are undetectable. The big question is why we experience the universe in only three spatial dimensions instead of four, or six, or nine." And these same guys scoff at the religious who believe in things that are undetectable. Double-A > > http://www.uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=12361 > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Double-A They are also very unlikely to kill you, blow you up, tie you to a stake and burn you for not believing it. There may be clues out there, I mean real solid clues as was recently suggested that GR may fail on the large cosmological scale. If that turns out to be so then another explanation will be needed, so far string theory is the only one out there that could fill the gap so to speak. From Double-A: >The big question is why we experience >the universe in only three spatial [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >religious who believe in things that are >undetectable. Heh. They have a religion of their own that's fundamentalist, inviolable and absolute.. the 'No Medium' doctrine, and they worship at the altar of the Void. The Void-Space religion is replete with its own sacraments and trappings: geometry, metrics, 'messengers thru the Void' that magically 'know' to fly at exactly c, 'unseen dimensions', all latter-day equivalents of the angels and imps of the medieval church. Seems like humans are hardwired with the 'God' gene, and all we do is swap one religion for another. oc > From Double-A: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Seems like humans are hardwired with the 'God' gene, > and all we do is swap one religion for another. oc You might call it a paradigm, groupthink, mass hysteria, or brainwashing. It is an interesting aspect of human psychology: the readiness to believe what a group of other people around you thinks. I personally think it colors our thinking in many ways, not just in science or religion. But only if we can break out of this groupthink behavior can we have any hope of seeing and understanding things as they really are. Double-A Hi oc and double-A Best to keep in mind Google might some day reach God status.Like spiritual Gods Google also is virtual See I' am already giving it a capital "G" Bert > Hi oc and double-A Best to keep in mind Google might some day reach > God status.Like spiritual Gods Google also is virtual See I' am > already giving it a capital "G" Bert It already knows every search you ever made. Once they interface it with the chip they are going to implant in your forehead, it will know everything about you! Omniscience! Double-A Hi Double-A Google sounds more like big brother than God.(right now) Boston's Catholic church sounds more like a "Homo sexual' club house. Muslins sound more like a religion that's out to kill,and for doing this killing they get sexual awards in their heaven.(70 virgins await them) Double-A reality is the bibles have no humor written in. However I can create humor on its all subjects. A bible written with humor might sell Everyone liked my "David & Goliath take Beert > > Hi oc and double-A Best to keep in mind Google might some day reach > > God status.Like spiritual Gods Google also is virtual See I' am [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Double-A Didn't the film Terminator 3 end up with the skynet computer being the whole internet, every computer connected to it became infected, became aware and turned on mankind. Every computer on the planet doing it's little bit, that would be some supercomputer. Hi Double-A What if aliens are taking over the Earth's computers,and Turing figured this out and was ready to warn the world this was happening. They found him dead. Said he committed suicide. Those that knew him thought he was killed. The Turing test is a clue. If electricity stopped flowing. If cars stopped running. If computers stop working begs this question. Which one would create the biggest problem for humankind? Bert PS Lets go with computers can run on batteries while the power is out Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the dimensions away from string theory I have used the fact that nothing can block gravity in my thinking of branes,and membranes. that nature uses to separate stuff without using great areas of space. I have had a theory(this my first posting the idea) that if EM force could enter membranes all the trillions,and trillions of other mini-universes could not be created out of the very first big bang. Love the string theory. Edward Witten is my "ideal" String theory,and my weirdest ideas seem to always fit. Bert > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Edward Witten is my "ideal" String theory,and my weirdest ideas seem to > always fit. Bert Hi Bert, you know our captain has views on this sort of thing, I almost didn't post it ha, ha. Yep gravity leaking out through branes no problem, all perfectly normal. Hi Ray Right you are our Capt.does not cotton to BB BH Mini-universes,and string theory. Today if astronomers leave out this stuff they would have little to write a book about. Bert > Hi Ray Right you are our Capt.does not cotton to BB BH > Mini-universes,and string theory. Today if astronomers leave out this > stuff they would have little to write a book about. Bert Well good theories take time to sink in Bert, I warned the captain a while ago about keeping his options open but he was having none it. Now looks like Double A and Raving are digging in. I think it's just me and you Bert on this one. Which reminds me I might watch that Nova program again later The Elegant Universe. > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Edward Witten is my "ideal" String theory,and my weirdest ideas seem to > always fit. Bert Remember that experiment that Mike Varney was involved in a year or two ago? They measured the force of gravitational attraction at extremely small distances. If there were any gravity leaking through from other dimensions or other universes, they should have been able to detect it. They found nothing! Talk to me about rolled up dimensions and branes and string theory when someone finds some evidence. Until then, it is just as fanciful as theoretical angels dancing on the head of a pin. Double-A > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Double-A Remember Gravity Probe B ? http://einstein.stanford.edu/ ... Still has Helium. Hmmmm ... Shouldn't there be results by now ? RL > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > RL OK Raving and double A, I see it like this, either it's multiple universes/multiverse or the whole things a simulation. > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys > should [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > OK Raving and double A, I see it like this, either it's multiple > universes/multiverse or the whole things a simulation. Nope. Another possibility ... Part of it is a 'Simulation in our mind', part of it is real. The problem is recognizing the part that is the 'cognitive model' so as to perceive beyond that 'subjective convenience'. Verrrrry tricky, IMO. Here is a hint: 95% of physics is in-our-head ! Go figure the residual 5% ??????? RL > > OK Raving and double A, I see it like this, either it's multiple > > universes/multiverse or the whole things a simulation. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 95% of physics is in-our-head ! > Go figure the residual 5% ??????? I'm stunned... maybe you've found the truth about this weird world! A mad mix of simulation and reality... It's even more scaring than the Big Simulation... Luigi Caselli > > > OK Raving and double A, I see it like this, either it's multiple > > > universes/multiverse or the whole things a simulation. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Luigi Caselli Stunned ? ROTFLOL ... Nawh. Physicists have always known "this" ... And forget it almost immediately. It is what is taken exceedingly much so for granted. It is assumed to the ultra max !!! A single universal model which describes everything, perfectly and simply ? Yes ... ? What is being crafted is a perceptual/descriptive tool Duh! RL > > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys > > should [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > RL We know that things like our feeling of warm or cold, taste, and seeing colors are all subjective. If space and time turn out to be subjective too, then what do we really know? Double-A > > Nope. Another possibility ... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > colors are all subjective. If space and time turn out to be subjective > too, then what do we really know? Nothing, as usual... Luigi Caselli > > > Nope. Another possibility ... > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Luigi Caselli >From earlier ... > > Ray Vingnutte wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Luigi Caselli All that we know about physics |sweeps-up| all such considerations that pertain to it and converge it to a very precise, minimal, universal, persistent ASSUMPTION. In short, one becomes empowered to assume/accept almost everything with a tool that is a simple 'Nothing'. Utterly automatic, reliable, used w/o thinking about it. ... Its all crafted into the description, itself. This tool is very,very, very, very much shaped by the requirement that it is ubiquiotous. RL > > > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys > > > should [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Double-A That cursed subjectivity! ... It makes you feel lost. Yet, take heart, Double-A. What I am doing is what I often do ... I have inverted the description. Warm, cold, taste, smell seeing colors are great examples of subjective experience. They are also tepid examples Space-time is a far more intense subjective "experience". Meaning ... I have taken what is recognized as being an objective commodity and called it a subjective item. ... which is what it "IS". Modern physics is a triumph of subjective experience. Only, it ain't normally appreciated as such. How can I say such a thing ? Just like as follows ... A single concept describes all attributes of space-time with a single static, universal, invariant concept ~~~~> ' Space - Time ' and all the fixin's that go with it. It is an extraordinary condensed "synthesis". ... A S.Y.N.T.H.E.S.I.S A convenient place to stand upon which to view all else. A convenient place to stand and consider otherwise because it so perfectly efficient, stable and compact. Yet it is just a model, a convenience, a method of converging and arranging all further consideration around it. It is a normalization ... Utter ' Space-time' and a person immediately reaches out,touches and fingers 99.99999999% of a verrry large number of considerations. That is where it mostly begins. There is where it mainly ends ... ... for the moment. The perfect abstraction. The perfect approximation. The perfect fudge. It's not something to 'knock', eh. ----- You say that it's nothing, only it's a very, very big deal But it is SUBJECTIVE, nevertheless ... ... and when a physicist can accept that, they can go so much further ... I'll continue later by responding to Luigi 'cause thats where the line of reasoning goes next. You know nothing YET that nothing is actually a very great deal of everything. Luigi "hints" that it's nothing, that it's insignificant. That too ! ... But therein comes the next problem; the harder problem ... all of that 'dark' reality. RL RL Very good 95% of the universe is in our head,and 5% real. That is equivalent to sex. Beert > > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys > > should [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > RL 100percent of our physics would be simulated, it would all seem very real to us because the rules of the simulation make it so. If the simulation isn't quite perfect then tell tale signs in our physics could point to this being simulated. The way the universe seems to be so finely tuned( I mean so gobsmakingly finely tuned it's almost unbelievable) is a dead giveaway to some. > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > RL I would think pretty soon. If you hear nothing, you will know the results go against the relativistic predictions! Double-A > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > If you hear nothing, you will know the results go against the > relativistic predictions! Mum's the word, eh ? They are being uber-quite about things, yacking away concerning everything 'but' ... I can't figure out if this is indicative of " Mum's the word " OR " Ultra tight assed" ? Care to make a prediciton, here ...? .....? ...........? > Double-A > > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > > > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Care to make a prediciton, here ...? .....? ...........? Yep no problem, 2007/8 and the Large Hadron Collider will show that it's right. > > Double-A "Mum's the word, eh ? They are being uber-quite about things, Yacking away concerning Everything 'but' ... I can't figure out if this is indicative of " Mum's the word " OR " Ultra tight assed" ? Care to make a prediciton, here ...? .....? ...........?" ~ Raving "Mum's The World." ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ !" ~ Folly > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys should > > > > have read Witten,for he had much the same theory,and took some of the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > I would think pretty soon. Sooner than you may think, maybe just three years away, I can't find a good link now and I gotta get some sleep but in the meantime the Large Hadron Collider due to go online in 2006 will hopefully yeild results that may well show gravity is leaking into other dimensions. There are many links at google for Large Haron Collider, a search woith that including 'gravity leaking' gives some results but not what I was really looking for. > If you hear nothing, you will know the results go against the > relativistic predictions! > > Double-A > > > > > Hi Ray Thanks for bringing in that site. Seems those two guys > should [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > Double-A Just found this, this is better of the links I could find at this time and it seems to have been recently updated. http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=76&num=19934 I don't know how the captain will take all of this ;-) Goodnight. ZZZZzzzzzzzzz Vingnutte out. Hi Double-A Since distance is relative that begs the question How small a distance did Varney use? What did they use to detect a gravity force? I can see lots of ways this experiment has a lot of fudge. Bert |
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