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Warhol - 17 Sep 2005 17:59 GMT
ET Abductees - You
May Be On File
From Bill Hamilton
skywatcher22@hotmail.com
From UFOCCI's weblog file
By Ray W. Boeche
9-16-5

Abduction cases are rapidly becoming standard fare in UFOlogy. The abduction
of an individual, or individuals, and the subsequent "medical examination"
which have been related countless times are famliar to most researchers.
However, we may have a new twist to add to the old story.

In 1984, a Lincoln, Nebraska woman we will call simply "Joan," mentioned
that she had experienced a recurring dream since childhood. In this dream,
someone appears outside her bedroom window, and attempts to coax her to come
with them. This subject arose during a casual conversation, and over the
next few days, I made a decision to explore this dream with Joan, if she
were willing to pursue it.

Joan (whose full name is on file and available to qualified reseachers with
her permission) holds a position of some authority with a state governmental
agency. An extremely intelligent and engaging woman, Joan had almost no
prior knowledge of the UFO subject, and, in fact, was uninterested in it.
She did, however, agree to explore this rcurring dream through the use of
regressive hypnosis.

On April 11, 1984, Joan was hypnotically regressed to the point in time when
the dream fist occurred. This, we discovered, was October 7, 1955, when Joan
was 12 years old. The hypnosis was performed by Stacey Vornbrock, a
psychological social worker, and a skilled hypnotist.

The story which unforlded was for the most part very similar to that of
other abductees. She was awakened in her bedroom by a figure standing
outside her window, who asked her to come with him. This entity was
described as about four feet in height, dressed in a hite tight-fitting
suit.

This entity conducts Joan on a "craft" which is resting on the ground in a
large vacant lot next to her home. After entering, she is given the
well-known medical exam described by others (sampling of skin tissue, blood,
hair, etc.) and is returned to her home, and subsequently her bedroom.

The entity who escorted her from the bedroom, and subsequently performed the
examination, was assisted by 5 other similar beings, who were described as
identical, but slightly smaller, than the "leader." The leader, who Joan had
originally met, was the only one who communicated with her. However, she
indicated that she was able to discern what he was telling his apparent
subordinates. This is where the totally new dimension enters.

According to Joan's testimony under hypnosis, the subordinates were quite
worried about being caught, that it was too obvious a location with too many
people nearby, and that they shouldn't take chances and endanger themselves.
The leader told them apparently quite sternly that plans had changed, they
had to make up time, and that's why Joan was chosen.

The leader then indicated to Joan that they had intended to examine someone
else, a man who was out driving in his automobile, but he had returned home,
(apparently an unexpected turn of events to the entities) and they were
unable to pick him up then. The leader then indicated to the others not to
be concerned, that he had done this many times before.

He then indicated to Joan that she was, quoting now, "very far back in the
files, and they hadn't intended to choose her, but the change in plans
necessitated it. This being then begins the examination, Joan having been
instructed to lie on a smooth, metallic table. Clamps emerge from the table,
holding her ankles, wrists, and head immobile. Again, without going into
great detail, the examination which follows is quite similar to that related
by many others.

However, throughout this examination, the leader apparently had to reassure
the others that it was quite alright for this to be going on, and made
mention several times again of Joan being "back in the files." This presents
a novel idea, which could conceivably tie in with Budd Hopkin's work on
abductions.

Hopkins had found that (as chronicled in his book Missing Time) many of the
abductees he has worked with have had multiple experiences - first as a
child, and then again later as an adult. Making the great assumption that
what all of these people have experienced is exactly what they have
described, is it not conceivable that the individuals abducted may indeed be
"on file" - genetically, by random chance, or by some deliberative process
which we could not begin to fathom? This appears to add an entirely new
dimension to the entire abduction question.

One other startling fact emerged at the end of the abduction experience. The
following information is so coincidentally strange, that I was quite
literally shocked when it came out during the session. Joan was describing
being back in her room, and the leader was reassuring her that she was
alright, and she wouldn't remember the event in the morning. We asked Joan
to recall this conversation exactly, word for word, much as if she were
watching herself and this entity carry on a conversation. Here is the
transcription of that conversation.

JOAN: I want to talk.

ENTITY: About what?

J: What went on?

E: Nothing.

J: Who are you?

E: An explorer.

J: An explorer of what?

E: An explorer of all.

J: Like who?

E: Like your christopher Columbus.

J: Should I be afraid?

E: Not of us.

J: Who should I be afraid of?

E: The men in black.

J: You mean the priests?

E: No, no, the men in black.

J: What men in black?

E: You don't have to be afraid.

J: What do they look like?

E: They're your people (Joan then described a mental picture of men dressed
completely in black clothing - suits, overcoats, hats, sunglasses, gloves,
which she said was the way the entity communicated this description to her).

J: What do they do?

E: They scare people.

J: Like ghosts?

E: No, like bad people scare others.

J: Like J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI?

E: No.

J: What will they do?

E: They don't want people to know we explorers won't hurt them.

J: Are you going to help us?

E: No, we're just explorers, but we watch.

J: What will they do?

E: You like animals.

J: Yes.

E: What if I tell you that they killed someone's dog because he saw some
explorers.

J: Joan then goes on to describe a "mental motion picture," in which she is
shown a man walking in the woods with his dog, when he stumbles on a landed
UFO. Later that same night, she witnesses the men in black clothing come to
his home, kill his dog, and question the man about what he had seen.

She is then made aware of these men in black calling the man's work place,
discrediting him, causing the loss of his job. After suffering further
harassment from friends and family, Joan is shown the man back in his home,
placing a gun in his mouth, and pulling the trigger.

J: What else?

E: You're afraid - I don't want to tell you any more because I don't want
you to be afraid. I've only told you this much because you are a child, and
curious. Just know they are bad. You are safe.

J: Can you keep me safe?

E: No, when we are gone, we can do nothing more. The men in black won't
know, you are too far back in our files.

J: Who should I tell?

E: You won't remember.

J: Who will know?

E: No one - they aren't watching you, not like the man in Maine. Don't be
afraid, goodbye.

As I mentioned earlier, I was shocked to hear this portion of the session.
Also, the first question which Joan asked upon awakening from the hypnotic
state was "Have you ever heard of these men in black?" She literally had no
concept that a term such as this even existed.

I am well aware of the doubts expressed by many researchers as to the
validity of abduction cases as a whole. I feel, however, that the whole
abduction question is one for serious consideration, and I doubt highly that
they are all the products of the imagination, or the oft-touted
"birth-trauma" memories. In short, I believe a great many of these people
experienced something exceedingly strange, and which took place
substantially as they claim it did.

I am also aware of the highly skeptical attitude taken by many researchers
toward the question of the notorious men in black, or MIB reports. I have a
great interest in this aspect of UFOlogy, and for approximately the last 3
years, I have been collecting as much substantiated information as possible
for a serious book-length work on this subject. I am also certain that the
question of the MIB phenomenon is not one to be taken lightly.

Let me make some comments relative to this, since these two controversial
topics are woven together in this instance. People in great numbers are
having these experiences, both abductions, and MIB events. Of that there can
be no doubt. Before criticizing this attitude, however, you must realize
that we still have no firm, concrete proof of what the causal factor in
these events might be.

At this point in time, we can see only the effect the descriptions of these
events as given to us by the percipients. We don't know the cause. Is it a
psychological phenomenon? If so, then what is triggering it? Budd Hopkins
and Dr. Aphrodite Clamar have shown that the psychological profiles of many
abduction victims show no abnormalities, but suggest that they have suffered
a psychological trauma-like an abduction. So, if the cause is psychological,
what is the intrusive factor which "tickles" the psyche into constructing
this event. I cannot accept at this time, with the available facts, that it
is either an overactive imagination, or a memory of the birth trauma.
The same can be said of MIB experiences. What is the causal factor? I quite
honestly don't know. And before anyone attempts to dismiss these events as
being hoaxes, delusions, or plays for publicity, they had better be able to
explain the many legitimate cases of MIB activity; the cases which have lain
silent until, with much effort I have been able to ferret them out. No plays
for publicity, no hoaxes, just a good many genuinely frightened people who
have no idea why they experienced what they did.

At any rate, here is an abduction case which raises a good many questions --
many of which are rather uncomfortable to face. As a matter of fact, it was
quite uncomfortable to make the decision to publish this report. However,
unless we can look at all of the evidence with unbiased eyes, we will never
be able to make any headway toward understanding these problems.

Bill Hamilton
AstroScience Research Network
http://www.astrosciences.info/
"I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem incredible."
Fred Hoyle
Saul Levy - 17 Sep 2005 20:05 GMT
Did Fred Hoyle put in a disclaimer about crackpotism?  He should have!
Kook data is WORTHLESS!

Saul Levy

>ET Abductees - You
>May Be On File
[quoted text clipped - 246 lines]
>"I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem incredible."
>Fred Hoyle
anonymous.informer@gmail.com - 17 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT
<snip>

AI was here.

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/hauser1.html

TILMAN HAUSHERR

Tilman Joerg Hausherr, a German national, is bent on the
destruction of religious rights in Germany. While claiming
to be solely employed as a software developer, Hausherr
somehow manages to spend the vast majority of his time
vilifying the practices of minority religions and lobbying
to severely restrict the rights of parishioners, if not
eliminate them entirely.

In addition to his attacks on other religions,
Hausherr has been harassing the Church of Scientology
since late 1994. His acts of hatred include making
threats against parishioners by posting their names and
businesses on the Internet to encourage boycotts,
hate "pickets," and email harassment, participating in
hate demonstrations in an effort to intimidate parishioners
from entering their Churches, and promoting the "picketing"
of schools attended by the children of Scientologists.

While lobbying for the destruction of the Church internationally,
Hausherr is particularly devoted to destroying parishioners'
rights in Germany. In his internet postings, Hausherr applauds
the psychiatric practice of Eugenics, the concept of creating
a "pure" society by removing from it those who are considered
"undesirable." Members of minority religions are high on
Hausherr's list of undesirables and he wastes no opportunity
to lobby his government to restrict their rights.

Hausherr is a strong supporter of Ursula Caberta,
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/caberta1.html)
a Hamburg government official who works diligently to ensure
that Scientologists are discriminated against in Germany.
This includes harassing companies that hire Scientologists,
generating anti-religious press, and lobbying the federal
government to take actions to close Churches and affiliated
Scientology organizations. One German court held that Caberta
could be described as a "human rights violator." Recently,
Caberta was fined for accepting $75,000 from an American
anti-religious extremist in conflict with her obligation
as a government official to remain neutral and objective
(something she has never done).

Hausherr is so extreme as to promote James Randi, a so-called
Skeptic dedicated to attacking any belief for which he considers
there is insufficient proof. Religion is a favorite target of
the Skeptics movement, obviously because many religious beliefs
are based in faith. Hausherr has carried his skepticism so far
as to participate in attacks on magicians, decrying their
entertainments as fraudulent.

Hausherr is given as a "source" on Scientology on at least
one internet page of Skeptic's links, which includes links
to Dr. Stephen Barrett one of the earliest psychiatrists
to attack Scientology. Hausherr has never been a Scientologist
nor, it appears, has he ever made an honest attempt to study
and understand the Church doctrines. Hausherr is, however,
a strong supporter of psychiatry to the point where he even
defends psychiatrists who have been convicted of such crimes
as sexually molesting their patients. It is important to note
that The Church of Scientology founded the Citizen's Commission
on Human Rights which is devoted to exposing psychiatric crimes
and the abuse of psychiatric patients.

Hausherr has attended several conferences given internationally
by anti-religious movement organizations. He also works closely
with Thomas Gandow, a Lutheran minister active in the movement
to oppress the rights of religious minorities in Germany.

Besides attacking Scientology, Hausherr also posts to other
internet newsgroups that malign a variety of spiritual beliefs
including transcendental meditation and different branches of
East Indian religions.

Based on the extent of his anti-religious activities, and a
remarkable degree of access to normally restricted information,
it is highly suspected that Hausherr in truth works for the
German government. He often posts to the Internet detailed
personal information about Scientology businessmen in the US
and abroad that is not generally made available to the public.
Hausherr also works closely with Roger Gonnet,
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/gonnet1.html)
a French anti-religious extremist who appears to have equally
remarkable access to French government documents that pertain
to religious oppression in France.

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/caberta1.html

URSULA CABERTA

Ursula Caberta is an employee of the Ministry of the Interior
for the State of Hamburg, in Germany. The rights of religious
minorities have come under attack in Germany in recent years
causing the United States Department of State to formally
admonish the German government for enacting legislation which
violates international standards of human rights. Caberta is
a driving force behind this anti-religious movement in Germany.

Caberta was responsible for hosting an annual "award" which
was created for those who engage in anti-religious activities.
Named the "Alternative Charlemagne Award," it mocks Germany's
official Charlemagne Award which is presented yearly to
international figures (such as former President Bill Clinton)
who promote European unity and world peace. Caberta's "award,"
on the other hand, recognizes and encourages those who promote
divisiveness and the persecution of religious minorities.

On January 14, 2003, the Hamburg Administrative Court issued
a preliminary injunction prohibiting the Interior Ministry
from allowing Caberta from repeating certain public statements
of a false and derogatory character about the Church of
Scientology.

The Churches brought the case on the grounds that Caberta
should be restrained as she has blatantly violated her duty
of neutrality as a government employee - evidenced by her
having personally received on June 26, 2000 a sum of $75,000
from a private individual who at that time was funding
anti-Scientology litigation in the United States.

Under German law, a government employee may be sentenced for
up to three years if the individual accepts an advantage for
oneself in exchange for the execution of an official function
on another's behalf. A penal investigation regarding this matter
resulted in Ms. Caberta being fined 7,500 euros in June 2002.
The Ministry apparently made no requirement that Caberta pay
back the money: Nor did it restrain her due to the obvious
conflict in any way.

The Hamburg Administrative Court, in its January 14, 2003
decision, found the loan and the circumstances under which
it was given constituted a violation of neutrality. Caberta,
the Court noted, "has not shown the slightest indication that
she understands the inadmissibility of the acceptance of
private financial support under the legal provisions for
how official duties should be conducted."

The Court also made an unequivocal statement criticizing
the Interior Ministry for failing to take strong and effective
action against Caberta.

"However, it is not evident that independent from the penal
proceeding, the government has conducted internal administrative
investigations on this matter to determine whether Mrs. Caberta
received the amount of $75,000 from a declared and active
Scientology opponent 'for the performance of duties' in the
meaning of Art. 331 Section 1 Penal Code. Looking at the
overall circumstances it would at least have been appropriate
to subject Mrs. Caberta, who is not a government official
but an employee of the respondent, to a warning pursuant to
labor law and to demand she immediately repay the amount of
money received within a stated time limit."

The Hamburg Court found that:

"it would therefore have been urgently required on the part
of the respondent [Interior Ministry] to emphatically notify
this employee after the respondent learned of the granting
of the loan but latest after the end of the penal proceeding,
to remind her of her fundamental duty of neutrality as a
public employee and, if necessary, to also guarantee this
through a proper warning pursuant to labor law."

Caberta has a long record of hostility and discrimination
towards the Scientology religion and its American and German
members. On June 4, 1992, while still an MP, she told the
Hamburg state parliament that "we will carry on and will free
Germany from Scientology."

More than any other German official, she is responsible
for the wide distribution of the "sect filters" that the
State Department has frequently criticized as an abuse
of human rights.

Indeed, in 2000, a German Scientologist living and working in
the United States filed suit against Ms. Caberta after he was
presented with her "sect filter" by a German company during
contract negotiations. In a subsequent ruling by the U.S.
federal court in Tampa, Florida, Magistrate Judge Elizabeth
Jenkins condemned Caberta's behavior throughout the litigation
as "evasive", "unresponsive", "uncooperative" and "argumentative",
and sanctioned her for non-compliance with court orders.

The U.S. State Department has itself criticized Caberta for
human rights abuses against American citizens: She is the
"sect commissioner" referred to in the 2000 Annual Human Rights
Report for 2000 who made unfounded public accusations against
Scientologists.

This is not the first time that German courts have found that
Caberta had violated the German Constitution in abusing the
rights of Scientologists. In 1994, the Hamburg State Court
of Appeals enjoined the Interior Ministry from further
distribution of an anti-Scientology booklet. The Court stated:

"The principle of neutrality and tolerance has been violated
by the opponent by giving non objective opinions about the
doctrine of the applicant... The opponent's restriction of
the fundamental right of the applicant per article 4 subsect
1 and 2 GC is illegal to this extent."

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/gonnet1.html

ROGER GONNET

On September 11, 2001, thousands of Americans were murdered
in a series of terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and World
Trade Center. Before a death toll could even be attempted,
French anti-religious extremist, Roger Gonnet, was busy
exploiting this cowardly terrorist act to spread messages
of hatred using the Internet.

Although government and religious leaders throughout the world
appealed for a calm, reasoned response to this tragedy,
Roger Gonnet seized the opportunity to forward his own
fanatic agenda, posting messages laced with anti-religious
and anti-American sentiment to a newsgroup frequented by
some violent extremists. This deliberate attempt to inflame
bigoted individuals into some form of retaliation against
religionists in a country still reeling from terrorist attacks,
in itself could be considered an act of terrorism. But while
despicable, considering Gonnet's associations and his history,
it is unsurprising.

Roger Gonnet is a French national who promotes government
control, and the eventual elimination, of all religions.
He was part of a burgeoning anti-religious movement in France
led by Alain Vivien, former President of France's now dissolved
Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects (MILS).

MILS sponsored a law passed by France's Chamber of Deputies
that allows the disbandment any religion whose beliefs the
government disagrees with. This law is in violation of the
Helsinki Accords, to which France is signatory, and has been
condemned by both the United Nations Commission on Human Rights
and the U.S. State Department, as well as the Catholic Church,
Protestant Churches and numerous religious and human rights
organizations.

Roger Gonnet was remarkably well-informed about the activities
of MILS to the extent that he was very likely in their employ.

Gonnet has a long history of joining religions then attacking
them once he has moved on. He has been a practicing Roman
Catholic and a member of the Church of Scientology and later
conducted vicious hate campaigns against both. He collects
anti-religious propaganda of any nature, against any group,
and posts this indiscriminately to his website in what appears
to be an effort to whip up hatred against religion in general.

While apparently unemployed, Gonnet is somehow able to travel
throughout France intimidating parishioners with hate
demonstrations at their Churches. He consorts with copyright
anarchist Zenon Panoussis,
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/panoussis1.html)
and anti-religious extremist Gerald Armstrong,
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html)
who have both had judgments made against them in their own
countries. Armstrong fled the U.S., first for Canada, then Europe,
after a court levied heavy fines against him for violating
the terms of a settlement agreement.

Gonnet has also traveled about Europe meeting with members
of other hate organizations. He is closely connected to the
anti-religious activities of Hamburg government employee
Ursula Caberta in Germany.

Gonnet appears to spend the remainder of his time spreading
hate propaganda on a variety of internet newsgroups.
Gonnet has a close association with suspected German
government operative, Tilman Hausherr, whose hate propaganda
appears on French newsgroups translated by Gonnet.

On an English-speaking newsgroup, while discussing bomb threats
against the Church of Scientology, Gonnet advocated blowing up
Scientology churches.

When a bailiff later showed up at his door with a complaint
against him for making this bomb threat, Gonnet quickly
recanted and claimed he was "just joking."

Gonnet is a virulent defender of known explosives expert and
convicted hate criminal, Keith Henson,
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/henson1.html)
who fled the U.S. to avoid sentencing.

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/panoussis1.html

ZENON PANOUSSIS

This question has puzzled the Net community since Panoussis
appeared in 1996, single-handedly setting in motion a series
of legal maneuvers which resulted in a hefty judgment against
him for copyright infringement.

As a direct result, the Swedish legislature amended its law
to protect the unpublished copyrighted works he infringed.

Copyright Anarchist

Zenon Panoussis began his harassment of the Church of Scientology
in August 1996. At that time he posted unpublished copyrighted
scriptures of the Church on his web site. These were removed
through communication between Church lawyers and Panoussis'
access provider.

Panoussis reacted by posting an order form to a newsgroup
where he advertised the sale of these copyrighted materials
by mail order. Church lawyers were forced to obtain a seizure
order from the court in order to remove the copyrighted materials
from his possession.

Still, Panoussis continued his anarchist campaign. He obtained
other copies of the unpublished scriptures and deposited them
in various government offices in Sweden, attempting to rely on
a loophole in Sweden's law concerning access to documents in
public document depositories. The Church was then forced to take
Panoussis to court for copyright infringement. The case went to
trial in 1998 and on September 14 of that year the court found
Panoussis guilty of copyright infringement and issued a judgment
against him. Panoussis appealed the decision. On March 9, 2001,
the Swedish Appeals Court not only upheld the trial court's
decision but increased the fees and costs against Panoussis.

Finally, the documents he deposited in the libraries were
removed after Sweden changed its law on public documents
to bring it into compliance with international copyright
standards.

History of Unlawful Conduct and Acts of Violence

In addition to his unlawful copyright activities, Panoussis'
history demonstrates a disrespect of the law and a potential
for violence.

Panoussis arrived in Sweden in the late 1970s. He studied law
at Stockholm University, but quit before completing his degree.
He then appeared to drift from job to job without direction.
At one point he served as a spokesperson for a group called
the Anti-Olympic Committee. This group supported certain
bombings that were staged in an effort to sabotage Sweden's
plans to host the Olympics.

In 1978, Panoussis was convicted for theft. In mid 1992
he acted as a legal advisor in a dispute between a brother
and sister over an apartment. In a unique display of
problem-solving, Panoussis attacked the front door of one
of the parties with an axe, after warning the person inside
that he had "30 seconds to open the door".

In 1993, after an argument, Panoussis followed a man and his
girlfriend home then attempted to run them over with his vehicle.
After one failed attempt, Panoussis reversed the car and tried
to hit them again. The man survived by jumping out of the path
of the vehicle.

Nor are courts immune from Pannoussis' irrational displays.
In a letter from April 1996, Panoussis stated to a court in
Sweden: "If I lose my temper I may shoot him [referring to the
other party in the case] in the head and spend the rest of my
life in a mental institution."

Prior to leaving Sweden for Holland in December 1997,
he was declared bankrupt with more than 300,000 Swedish Kroner
in debts.

================================================================

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html

GERALD ARMSTRONG

Gerald Armstrong is a former clerk in a Scientology church.

In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's
assets in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal
Investigation Division.

When the Church discovered this, its attorneys obtained
permission from a Los Angeles police officer to conduct
an investigation into Armstrong's plans. The investigation
caught Armstrong on videotape stating that he intended
to forge and then plant incriminating documents on Church
premises, to be discovered in a subsequent raid. When
challenged on how he would obtain proof of the allegations
he intended to make, he responded that: "We don't have to
prove a goddam thing. We don't have to prove sh.t. We just
have to allege it."

As part of the same scheme, Armstrong planned to subvert
a senior Scientology executive using sexual enticement
in a scheme he titled "Operation Long Prong." This is
documented both in his own handwriting and on video.

Since fleeing California, Armstrong, a native Canadian,
has lived in British Columbia, Canada, and appears to have
no gainful employment. Yet he has somehow managed to travel
all over the world in pursuit of his hate agenda.

In 2000, Armstrong traveled to Europe to attend an anti-
religious conference in Leipzig, Germany.

In 2001, Armstrong traveled extensively in Europe, joining in a
hate march in France with extremist Roger Gonnet and visiting
anti-religious groups in Russia and Denmark. At a meeting of
hate groups in Russia, Armstrong met with deprogramming
proponent Alexander Dvorkin.
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/dvorkin1.html)

In addition to his unlawful activities, Armstrong's mental
stability is questionable. Armstrong once posted a message
on the Internet concerning a letter he sent to Saddam Hussein
during the Gulf War. In the letter, he offered himself to
Hussein as a hostage in the Iraqi war. "If either side failed
to perform any part of the agreement, the other side could
execute me," he concluded. Armstrong makes clear in his
posting that he did not think the letter to Hussein was a
joke, but was deadly serious. He quite proudly republishes it
and other similar writings from time to time. To further
demonstrate how out of touch he is with reality, Armstrong had
himself photographed by a newspaper naked while holding a globe
to promote his theories of destroying all money.

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/dvorkin1.html

ALEXANDER DVORKIN

Planting the Seeds of Hate

The idea of individual human rights is still new in Russia,
having not existed for many decades. And as our vast country
progresses through its difficult period of transition, we are
learning that one thing has not changed: there are still some
who seek power or profit at the expense of others, for changing
the system does not automatically change the individuals within
it.

Such is true in the area of freedom of religion. When restrictions
on religious belief were lifted, many Russians quickly sought
to fill the natural vacuum which was created when the spiritual
nature of life had been denied. In our modern and scientific era,
with open communication to the rest of the world, many people
were interested in examining religious and spiritual questions
from a wide range of sources -- to find answers that seemed most
meaningful within the reality of their everyday lives.

But, as we could well learn from the West, religious diversity
brings with it one problem of its own - the intolerant bigot
who not only feels that all must believe only as he believes,
but who is also willing to use force to suppress or destroy
the beliefs of anyone choosing to follow a different path.

One such source of intolerance in Russia today is Alexander
Dvorkin -- a Russian-born American who returned to Russia
in 1990 after 20 years in the United States.

Infiltration of Corruption

While in the United States, Dvorkin worked for
Radio Voice of America, which was at that time reportedly
supported by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.
Later, he worked for Radio Liberty -- also reportedly
a CIA outfit.

After returning to Russia, Dvorkin began working at
Moscow State University, but was dismissed in 1994
because of his increasingly intolerant behavior
towards religious minorities. He currently works at
the Russian Orthodox University in Moscow as that
Church's spokesman on "sects." Unfortunately, his
continued efforts to undermine religious freedom have
already reflected badly on the Orthodox Church which,
presumably, is unaware of the people overseas for whom
he is acting as a puppet.

Dvorkin started his hateful actions towards new religious
movements in Moscow in May, 1994, after being "educated"
at the infamous "Dialogue Centre" in Denmark. From the name
of this organization, one would assume that its role is to
promote dialogue between different denominations; the truth
is quite different.

In fact, most people who know of this facility refer to it
disparagingly as the "Monologue Centre" because of the
well known refusal of its director, Johannes Aagaard,
to engage in dialogue, while deliberately issuing false and
bigoted statements about other religions and even advocating
violence towards their members.

Aagaard was, for example, declared persona non grata and
refused entry to India because of his reputation for
stirring up religious intolerance and hatred.

Dvorkin was apparently an apt student of the
dialogue-without-dialogue principle, for the first thing
he did upon returning to Moscow was organize a closed seminar.
Anyone who might not agree with the ideas of the seminar
was simply denied entrance. Even journalists who were known
to be unprejudiced, like Jakov Krotov of the Moscow News,
were forced out of the hall.

It is interesting that the majority of the groups that were
attacked by Dvorkin at this conference were those who seek
to help people understand their spirituality and to create
a better environment for all. One of Dvorkin's speakers was,
of course, Johannes Aagaard.

But also at Dvorkin's seminar were representatives of another
organization -- and one which apparently had even greater
influence over his thinking than Aagaard's Dialogue Center
-- the American Cult Awareness Network (CAN). Dvorkin even
stated on Russian television that he was Russia's CAN
representative. It is ironic that at the time CAN was
such a notorious hate group that it was quickly destroying itself.

Dragged, Screaming and Kicking

The threat that Dvorkin's intolerance poses to our nation is
easy to see once light is shed upon his influences. CAN was
founded by thrice-convicted criminal Ted Patrick.
(see http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/patrick1.html)
Patrick's record includes a ban against re-entry to Canada
after he traveled there to assault a 21-year-old woman who had
converted from the Protestant Church of her upbringing to the
Roman Catholic Church.

Patrick considered the Catholic Church a "cult" and,
after dragging this Canadian woman into an auto, drove her
to a secluded house where he subjected her to days of physical
and emotional abuse in an effort to "persuade" her to leave
her Church.

The unconscionable use of threats and violence is common
among those who adopt Patrick's ways. In his own book,
Patrick describes the kidnapping of a Christian who
resisted by bracing himself against Patrick's escape auto;
Patrick forced the man into the auto by squeezing his genitals
until he collapsed in pain. "Then I hit," Patrick wrote,
"shoving him head first into the back seat of the car and
piling in on top of him."

Patrick was one of the first to use the term "deprogramming"
to describe such coercive attempts to destroy religious belief.
The word is an attempt to camouflage obviously criminal actions
and make them appear legitimate. It implies that anyone who
holds religious beliefs has been "programmed," and thereby
suggests that "de-programming" is necessary to reverse this
"process."

This theory has been utterly disproved by academics,
numerous courts, and even the American Psychological
Association and the American Sociological Association.
The reasons are obvious: it violates a basic human right
and every accepted standard of civilized conduct.
In Patrick's own book he states that deprogramming "may be
said to involve kidnapping at the very least, quite often
assault and battery, almost invariably conspiracy to commit
a crime and illegal restraint."

In the development of deprogramming, Patrick acknowledged
a debt of gratitude to British psychiatrist William Sargant.
Sargant's now condemned experiments in brainwashing produced
techniques which, in his own words, would enable "the therapist
[to] deliberately distort the facts of the patient's
life-experience to achieve heightened emotional response
and abreaction. In the drunken state of narcoanalysis,
patients are prone to accept the therapist's false
constructions." In other words, the victim can be brainwashed
by deprogramming so that he not only denounces his religious
beliefs, but now actually believes lies about his former
religion implanted by the deprogrammer.

This is one of the reasons why Dvorkin's work is likely to
continue to reflect badly on the Russian Orthodox Church.
Due to his position, people may feel the methods he advocates
reflect the ideology of the Church, when in fact they are
purely of psychiatric origin.

And what is the true purpose of deprogramming, other than the
irrational hatred caused by bigotry? It is money. In America,
"deprogrammers" first spread alarming stories about any new
or minority religion. Then, when they have family members or
friends concerned about someone who is a member, they charge
$10,000 or more to attempt to kidnap and "deprogram" the
relative. As can be seen by the examples above, no religion
is exempt. As long as they are paid, deprogrammers will
attempt to take any parishioner away from any group or belief.

"Utterly Intolerable" Conduct

The criminal actions of CAN were revealed when a U.S. District
Court found CAN and several individual CAN agents guilty in
a kidnapping and assault case that the court described as
"so outrageous in character and so extreme in degree as to go
beyond all possible bounds of decency and to be regarded as
atrocious and utterly intolerable in a civilized community."

CAN's victim in this case was, and still is, a Christian,
yet CAN branded his church a "cult" and decided he should
be "rescued" by forced kidnapping.

The CAN agent selected for the "job" was Rick Ross,
whose record includes a conviction for grand theft
after attempting to embezzle $100,000 in jewelry from
a store in Phoenix, Arizona. Ross was diagnosed by his
prison psychiatrist as having "sociopathic inclinations."

After kidnapping the victim, Ross and his accomplices
held him prisoner for five days while they tried to
force him to denounce his Christian faith.

The jury in the Seattle court was so outraged by the violence
of CAN's conduct that they fined Ross and CAN almost $5 million.
CAN did not survive the judgment and declared bankruptcy.
It was closed down in 1999 and later re-opened under new
management dedicated to a different purpose - to foster true
understanding and tolerance for religious minorities.

Unholy Alliances

But Dvorkin has other "friends," such as Carol Giambalvo,
a member of another anti-religious hate group connected to
the earlier CAN. Her book, which promotes deprogramming,
was translated into Russian and distributed at an anti-
religious seminar in St. Petersburg.

Dvorkin also has a similar-minded supporter in Germany
-- Thomas Gandow, who has also been involved in attempted
deprogrammings.

Victim A.K., who experienced Gandow's methods, was picked up
from her house by two strangers and taken to visit Gandow.
Her abductors refused to tell her where she was going and
refused to let her out of the car. At Gandow's office,
she was threatened with psychiatric incarceration,
told that her daughter "might disappear," and given other
warnings to "cooperate." A.K. was pregnant at the time and,
under pressure, agreed to sign a letter stating she wanted
to leave her religion. She was forced to add that the letter
was signed "by my own will." The incident was so stressful
that three weeks later she lost her baby.

Alexander Dvorkin is attempting to consign Russia to the same
sort of extremism which plagued the communist era, calling for
a fight with any individuals who believe differently -- even if
they break no laws and are honest, hard-working citizens.
We know what such an attitude meant for Germany in the 1930s.
And we understand why the United Nations is now again
criticizing the German government because of violations
of human rights in the 1990s, as are the United States'
State Department and human rights organizations.

Dvorkin's mandate is spreading hate propaganda about
religious groups. He manipulates information, pulling quotes
out of context in order to create "alarming" stories. He then
uses his position in the Moscow Patriarchy to circulate this
disinformation on government and official lines.

Why should Russia -- a country with a rich spiritual culture
and potential -- tolerate such people, who spread nothing but
the seeds of hatred?

The fact is, people are tired of being told what to do
and how to believe. They want to find out for themselves
and trust in their own answers.

Russia had too many years of false propaganda. Alexander Dvorkin
should be free to follow his faith and to comment on the beliefs
of others. But no one has the "right" to use lies to destroy
another's beliefs. Having publicly declared himself to be
the Russian representative of the now-obsolete American
Cult Awareness Network, Dvorkin has at least made it known
-- even if unintentionally -- that his information is of the
most unreliable sort. Our country has come too far out of
the errors of the past to allow the totalitarian attempts
at thought control practiced by CAN to be planted here.

================================================================

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/patrick1.html

TED PATRICK

Ted Patrick, the "father" of deprogramming and thrice-convicted
felon, typifies the former Cult Awareness Network "deprogrammer"
- prone to violence, scornful of the rights and beliefs of
others, and willing to do anything for a price.

Patrick had been revered by the old Cult Awareness Network (CAN)
its predecessor the Citizens Freedom Foundation, appearing as
an honored guest and featured speaker at their conventions.
His methods have been emulated by numerous deprogrammers,
including Steven Hassan, Rick Ross, Hana Whitfield and many
others.

Patrick worked to make kidnapping and assault appear socially
acceptable. As long as the crime was directed against
individuals whose beliefs could be made to seem odd or
unusual to the rest of society, any common thug could
earn substantial sums simply by billing himself a
"deprogrammer."

Patrick's past reveals that he comes from a background
which made him no stranger to crime. Patrick's father
opted for the lucrative profession of pickup man for
local mobsters running the numbers racket. Patrick began
earning his living as a professional kidnapper and hired thug,
targeting members of various religions for violent
"deprogrammings." Patrick has admitted that deprogramming
"may be said to involve kidnapping at the very least,
quite often assault and battery, almost invariably conspiracy
to commit a crime and illegal restraint."

Patrick has asserted that religions recruit members
by hypnotizing them on the spot with "beams" emanating
from the knees and elbows and other parts of the body.
This to Patrick classified a potential victim as a
"mindless robot" and fair game for violent tactics.

When once reminded that such tactics violate constitutional
protections of the First Amendment, Patrick retorted
by describing freedom of religion as "one of the biggest
rackets the world has ever known."

Patrick's career has earned him a string of criminal
indictments stretching from San Diego to New York.
The charges range from kidnapping to violent abduction
and sexual assault, including rape.

Brute force is the hallmark of Patrick's kidnappings.
In a book defending his violent techniques, Patrick described
the kidnapping of a Christian who resisted abduction by bracing
himself against Patrick's getaway car. Patrick forced the man
into the car by squeezing his genitals until he let out a howl
and doubled up in pain. "Then I hit," Patrick wrote, "shoving
him head first into the back seat of the car and piling in
on top of him."

He described another abduction: "Joe and Goose [two of Patrick's
henchmen] both had a hold of Ronnie ... so I started on the
other guys, you know, Maceing them, hitting, whatever. The Mace
didn't really work. I mean it worked, but they kept fighting.
I'd spray somebody and then they were still kicking and I had
to just kick them back."

Court papers filed in Massachusetts show that Patrick assaulted
a man with a straight-edged razor during an abduction while,
by Patrick's own accounts, other abductions have utilized kicks,
punches and other forms of violence.

In Ohio, Patrick and several others were indicted after
abducting a 20-year-old woman and taking her to Alabama,
where she was repeatedly raped over the course of the
seven-day "deprogramming." Patrick announced afterward that
he was giving up deprogramming. At the time of the Ohio
abduction, Patrick was on probation for abducting a Tucson
waitress; his probation was revoked after it was learned
he had accepted several thousand dollars for the
"deprogramming" of the Ohio woman, and he served
a year in jail.

One of Patrick's attacks, an unsuccessful deprogramming attempt
on a Catholic nun in Canada, resulted in an official government
prohibition against Patrick entering Canada. Ignoring this,
Patrick slipped back and forth across the border numerous times
to continue his career in Canada as a kidnapper-for-hire,
eventually assaulting more than 50 people in that country.

Patrick, who received up to $15,000 plus $250 per day expenses
for a single deprogramming, used violence not only to change
individuals' religious beliefs but their political persuasions
and even their sexual orientation. In one case, Patrick resorted
to rape in an attempted deprogramming of a woman who was a
lesbian.

Government prosecutors, wise to Patrick's lifestyle of violence
and force, have jailed him repeatedly on numerous charges,
with three felony convictions. Yet, in extremist circles,
Patrick and his methods are still considered worth emulating.
Ida Camburn has been a supporter of Patrick's and recommended
the violent use of deprogramming. Keith Henson, a convicted
hate criminal, advocates deprogramming and made this statement
on the Internet in May 2001: "Deprogramming is currently
out of style, but it or something much like it is badly needed."

Apart from his deprogramming activities, Patrick's criminal
record includes charges of cocaine use and parole violations.

================================================================

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/henson1.html

KEITH HENSON

Keith Henson is an explosives expert and a convicted hate
criminal.  On July 19, 2000, he was arrested by the Riverside
County, California, Sheriff's Office for making terrorist
threats on the Internet against the Church of Scientology.
On April 26, 2001, a jury found Henson guilty of having
committed a hate crime under section 422.6 of the California
Penal Code.

Henson was scheduled to appear for sentencing on May 16, 2001,
but failed to appear and the Judge was forced to issue a warrant
for his arrest.  He soon surfaced in Canada where he was arrested
by Immigration authorities for having failed to disclose his
conviction in the United States.  Toronto police were not fooled
by Henson's pretense of harmlessness:  "We get notified by
Scientology, we check, and he's an undesirable," Toronto Police
Fugitive Squad Detective Phil Glavin said of Henson.  "We look
on the Internet, and he's a self-proclaimed bomb expert."
Henson was released on bail in Canada pending a final
disposition of his case and is restrained from coming within
100 feet of any Scientology Church.

Meanwhile, on July 20, 2001, the Riverside County Judge sentenced
Keith Henson in absentia to one-year in county jail.  As an
alternative, the Judge ruled that Henson could accept a six-month
jail term, three years probation, and pay a $2,000 fine.  He
would be restricted from going near the Church he had harassed
and be subject to search for explosive devices.  The Judge also
stated that when Henson returns to the United States he will,
in addition, face up to half a year in jail and a $1,000 fine,
plus penalty assessments, for having failed to appear at the
sentencing hearing on May 16, 2001.  At this writing, Henson
remains a fugitive from justice.

HATE THREATS ON THE INTERNET

Following are some samples of the threats Henson has made
against the Church on an anti-religious newsgroup:

August 6, 1995
"That is why we are out to *break* the CoS [Church of Scientology]."

August 13 1995
In response to a posting in which an extremist wrote about
Scientology
"=2E..I will see it in ruins,"
Henson wrote:
"Ahh, I love the smell of gunpowder drifting on the morning
breeze. Keith Henson."

August 14, 1995
"PS, And thanks for being a punching bag. We, of course, are
in training for a considerably larger event, and CoS [Church
of Scientology] makes a nice expendable sparing [sic] partner."

April 20, 1997
"PPS Killing the organization off entirely is the best way
to change the future of Scientology."

August 8, 1998
"From where I stand, the spread of my legal shotgun takes in
[name of Church member] *and* the [Church] lawyers."

June 5, 2000
(IRC Chat Channel)
Henson: "heh. see my posting on the Mt. view picket? brent and
I kicked a.s ..."
"I am going to [church location] some time thiss [sic] week
for several dasy [sic] picket till they starve. ..."
Henson: "... it is fairly safe but we don't have too long to
do it they are growing trees which will make the road
invisible from inside."
Lianna: "Keith: release some termites on their trees"
Henson: "agent orange lia"

July 4, 2000
"My only option to get back in the work force is to destroy
scientology root and branch."

July 7, 2000
"barb wrote: ... GPS readings of Gold Base is a good start..."
"And a good topo map. The approach is clear from the south.
Keith Henson"

July 10, 2000
"Modern weapons are accurate to a matter of a few tens of yards.
The terminal guidence [sic] ones are good to single digits
(Keith Henson)"

HENSON'S EXPERTISE WITH EXPLOSIVES

The following postings evidence the extent of Henson's expertise
and interest in explosives:

June 22, 1997
From: [name removed]
Re: Keith Henson
"Keith Henson, an explosives enthusiast since the early 1960's,
was describing to us last night at a Silicon Valley party just
how accurate the instructions were in the transcripts of the
McVeigh trial, as the experts pointed out the steps needed to
make the liquid explosive 'Astrolight' (or 'Astrolite').
Keith pointed out that most of the "lay" reports had repeated
some of the usual lay errors about ammonium nitrate and fuel
oil bombs, but that the full court transcript "got it right"
on the conversion of the precursors to the more effective
liquid form."

July 9, 2000
From: Keith Henson
"If you are interested in large firecrackers, go ask how to
make them in rec.pyrotechnics. Though, it is simple enough,
cardboard tube, gunpowder, and fuse. You can make the tubes
from rolled newspaper."

The following quote about Keith Henson is drawn from the book
"Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition; Science
Slightly Over The Edge" by Ed Regis.  Henson was featured in
this book as an individual who indulges in fringe sciences.
The author also documents the extent of Henson's expertise with
explosives.

"But he knew how to do it, of course, and so he took a
two-hundred-pound lard can and put three pieces of
primacord inside, looping them around so they completely
covered the bottom. Then he poured the ammonium nitrate
into the can, inserted sticks of dynamite all around the
perimeter, and ran the primacord fuse up to a blasting cap
on top of it all.  The cap would fire the primacord, which
in turn would set off the dynamite, which would crush the
mass of ammonium nitrate until the necessary pressure was
reached - a true implosion device, just like the atom bomb."
Pg.50

Click these pages from the book for further documentation:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/mambo1.jpg
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/mambo2.jpg

KEITH HENSON'S ANTI-SCIENTOLOGY ACTIVITIES

One of Henson's first postings to a Usenet anti-religious
newsgroup is dated February 21, 1995.  Since then Henson
has posted thousands of hate messages to this group.
Since February 1998 he has conducted hundreds of hate marches
(he calls them "pickets") against various Scientology Churches
and parishioners.

Henson plotted to have the Church's tax-exempt status revoked
by the IRS yet, having failed to do so, subsequently sued the
IRS on December 31, 1998.  The suit was dismissed on August 30,
1999.  Henson appealed it but the appeal was denied in late
2000.

KEITH HENSON'S TROUBLE WITH THE LAW

On October 31, 1997 Keith Henson was placed under a permanent
injunction in Los Angeles for his harassment and physically
violent behavior toward a Scientology parishioner. On November 1
and 26, 1997, Henson was arrested in Los Angeles for violating
the restraining order that had been issued against him.

Henson was also found to have infringed upon a Scientology
copyright.  Following is an excerpt of the final judgment
issued on May 14, 1998, against Henson by United States
District Judge Ronald M. Whyte:

"Upon the decision of the court entered on April 15, 1997
granting in part and denying in part plaintiff's motion
for summary judgment and upon the unanimous verdict of
the jury published on May 12, 1998, final judgment is
hereby entered in favor of plaintiff Religious Technology
Center and against defendant H. Keith Henson that said
defendant willfully infringed plaintiff's copyrighted work
known as NOTs 34, and that said defendant shall pay to
plaintiff the sum $75,000 in statutory damages pursuant to
17 U.S.C. =A7 504 (c).  Defendant is also permanently enjoined
from engaging in infringing activities as set forth in the
court's permanent injunction dated June 16, 1997 and amended
order on ex parte motion for emergency relief dated April 27,
1998."

On June 22, 1999, Henson was found in contempt of Court by
United States District Judge Ronald M. Whyte, who ruled as
follows:

"On June 22, 1999 this court issued its findings of fact and
conclusions of law finding defendant in civil contempt and
awarding $7,500 in attorney's fees.  Therefore, IT IS HEREBY
ORDERED that H. Keith Henson is adjudged in civil contempt
and shall pay plaintiff Religious Technology Center the sum
of $7,500 towards its attorney's fees incurred."

BACKGROUND INFORMATION

In 1982, as part of the divorce proceedings between Henson and
then wife Carolyn Meinel, Carolyn filed a signed affidavit of
her expenses that Henson needed to cover as part of his spousal
support. Listed under medical expenses were:

"$6,000 since May 1981 includes [an] operation and four-day
hospital stay [for one of his daughters]; ... psychological
counseling for [two of his daughters] as a result of father's
sexual molestation of them."

Also in the case file was a note that Henson molested his two
oldest daughters, at the time 12 and 13.  Carolyn requested
that Henson be jailed if he did not receive psychological
counseling on the matter.

In 1987 Henson developed an interest in cryonics (the practice
of freezing dead bodies in the belief that scientists will
revive them sometime in the future).  Henson, his wife and his
two-year old daughter signed up with Alcor Life Extension
Foundation, the organization that handles the freezing and
storage of bodies or heads.  Henson himself took part in the
procedure of freezing people's bodies.

In that same year, Henson founded the Far Edge Committee.
The group's sole purpose was to plan the "Far Edge Party",
a gathering of "downloaded multiple selves" (assuming one
could make many copies of oneself and download them into
space) that was to be held in the far-off future on the
other side of the Milky Way.

KEITH HENSON'S ALLIANCE WITH THE ANTI-RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT

Keith Henson claims that his attacks on the Church of
Scientology began in 1995 after an upset he had regarding
an Internet newsgroup. However, investigation has shown
that Henson had set his sights on attacking Scientology
years prior to this.

On June 14, 1988 Henson paid for a membership in the Cult
Awareness Network (CAN), an organization which spread
scurrilous allegations about new religious movements and
acted as a referral house for deprogrammers. CAN declared
bankruptcy after a $1.8 million judgment against them for
their participation in the kidnapping and attempted
deprogramming of a member of the Pentecostal faith.
Dave - 17 Sep 2005 22:02 GMT
You should also have posted to alt.stories.amateur.
Phillip Kyle - 17 Sep 2005 23:03 GMT
> ET Abductees - You
> May Be On File
[quoted text clipped - 255 lines]
> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
> incredible." Fred Hoyle

Ever been to Bonnybridge?

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Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

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ross.institute@gmail.com - 18 Sep 2005 12:57 GMT
To whom it may concern:

The "Relgious Freedom Watch" website is run by Scientology.

Attacks at that site and others about me have been responded to through
a statement available online through the Internet since 1998.

See http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien47.html

Rick A. Ross
www.rickross.com
Raving Loonie - 19 Sep 2005 00:34 GMT
> To whom it may concern:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Rick A. Ross
> www.rickross.com

PING: Art Deco

 Looks like you have a professional 'kook' here ...

RL
Art Deco - 19 Sep 2005 01:14 GMT
>> To whom it may concern:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>RL

There are others who are much more knowledgeable about the LRons on
usenet than I am.  Many things are not what they seem.

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Dr. Flonkenstein - 19 Sep 2005 02:28 GMT
>> To whom it may concern:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> RL

Look RL. You have been Formosa'd, but don't attract your own doom upon
yourself posting to AUK, ok?

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in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r1lh297cequd35addb@4ax.com>
Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how
the sun has an 'iron core':
"The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron
based core, and both have an electrical force between them."

in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg5ragcpbbihn3coliv@4ax.com>
Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language:
"With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..."

in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m1g42g52gkacmcokin@4ax.com>
Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying:
"Oh, for f.cks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there
are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I
know more then you."

in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n6rpcvovskdmpi3ir8@4ax.com>
Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions:
"The jews roots are islamic."

in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu575d5puclm321knok@4ax.com>
Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history:
"WRONGO.  There was NO Bible before King James had it written."

in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6fn9c3ke93n12dm406@4ax.com>
Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science:
"Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle."

in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii8b9dtq9rtk5uatr1h@4ax.com>
Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again:
"Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?"

in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt2eq8thne0h7hv0sb6@4ax.com>
Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger
on her hand:
"Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or
Pentagram?"

reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01.00.52.15.77207@localhost.localdomain>
The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole.

Raving Loonie - 19 Sep 2005 02:46 GMT
> >> To whom it may concern:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Look RL. You have been Formosa'd, but don't attract your own doom upon
> yourself posting to AUK, ok?

I hear enough about the Scientology crap in ASAD.

It's everyone's problem. I'll get that doom from the Scientologist one
way or the other with or w/o AUK.

 I don't get it. What are you afraid of Flonkenstein.
                                       ... REAL KOOKS, maybe ?

 [ alt.usenet.kooks trimmed to protect your sensibilites ... ]

RL
Art Deco - 19 Sep 2005 03:36 GMT
>> >> To whom it may concern:
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>  [ alt.usenet.kooks trimmed to protect your sensibilites ... ]

And his ever reading your reply -- his NSP doesn't carry Saucerhead
Central.

>RL

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with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

 -- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

anonymous.informer@gmail.com - 19 Sep 2005 20:44 GMT
"HE [Rick Ross] HAS A TREMENDOUS CAPACITY TO DENY THE
SERIOUSNESS OF PROBLEMS WHICH HE FACES"
-Thomas P. O'Brien, M.D.
St. Joseph Hospital Mental Health Center
November 26, 1975

"IT'S PRETTY DISGUSTING THE WAY THEY MAKE SUCH A BIG DEAL
ABOUT THINGS." - Rick Ross

- Anonymous

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/RICK_ROSS_AND_THE_ROSS_INSTITUTE

RICK ROSS AND THE "ROSS INSTITUTE"

Although Rick Ross promotes himself as a professional "cult
expert", a review of his educational background shows that
quite apart from being anti-Christian (he refers to Christians
as Bible bangers) has no religious educational credentials
whatsoever.  To the contrary, his only formal education is a
high school diploma.  Self-aggrandizement and personal
financial reward seem to be Ross' primary motive for his
attacks on Christians and members of other faiths.

As documented herein, an unbiased review of Ross' activities
overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Ross systematically
engages in anti-social and often illegal activity and disguises
this in the name of "help."  "Deprogramming," which appears to
be his main source of income, is such an activity.

Ross specializes in garnering media attention to create fear
and suspicion in the family members of individuals in minority
religious groups.  He then exploits this fear to get them to
pay him thousands of dollars in fees to coerce people out of
their chosen religious affiliation.  Close scrutiny of Ross'
"successful" deprogrammings very often finds broken families
and dehumanized individuals who were coreced, lied to,
brainwashed and degraded by deprogrammers into renouncing
their religious beliefs.

Public records reveal that Ross has been the subject of at least
three arrests, including an attempted burglary, embezzlement of
$100,000 worth of jewelry from a jewelry store, and kidnapping.
Thow of these arrests resulted in convictions.  In the third,
Ross' co-conspirators plead guilty to lesser charges while Ross
evaded being found guilty.  Ross was sued civilly by the victim
in the same kidnapping incident and was punished by the jury
for over $3 million in compensatory and punitive damages.

Although Ross claims in media interviews that his criminal
activity ceased with the 1975 jewelry heist, which he brushes
off as an act of his youth for which he has taken responsibility,
Ross has continued his pattern and practice of criminal activity
against others.  For example, in the above mentioned civil
kidnapping case, the verdict issued by the jury stated that Ross
had "acted recklessly in a way that is so outrageous in
character and so extreme as to go beyond all possible bounds of
decency and to be regarded as atrocious and utterly intolerable
in a civilized community."

As a further note on Ross' predisposition to criminal behavior
and violation of the rights of others, when Ross challenged the
finding in the civil kidnapping case, the Court upheld the
punitive damages award and observed, "A large award of punitive
damages is also necessary under the recidivism and mitigation
aspects of the factors cited in Haslip.  Specificially, the
Court notes that Mr. Ross himself testified that he had acted
similarly in the past and would continue to conduct
'deprogrammings' in the future."

Ross' criminal activity in this kidnapping case single-handedly
brought about the demise to the Cult Awareness Network, which
was exposed to be a criminal referral network for kidnappers.
The jury also issued a finding against CAN for $1.8 million,
which bankrupted the group.

Rick Ross' character was further demonstrated when he filed
for personal bankruptcy in the face of the $3 million judgement
against him.  As part of the bankruptcy, Ross discharged a
$17,500 debt to his elderly mother.

Despite these arrests and censure from the crouts, Ross has not
reformed and has continued to commit criminal and anti-social
acts.  For example he blatantly admits on his web site that he
has commiteed over a dozen involuntary deprogrammings
(kidnappings) on adult individuals, mainly Christians, and
at least that many more on minors.  Ross neatly omits these
matters when establishing himself with media and instead
focuses only on the 1975 arrests which he attempts to dismiss
as "his youth" although he was 22 years old.

The Ross Institute is Ross' latest money scam.  The "Institute"
is actual a mail drop just across the street from Ross'
apartment in Jersey City, which he shares with a Haryonto
Soedarpo.  Though Ross and Soedarpo have shared the same
apartment since at least 1998 in New Jersey and earlier in
Phoenix, Soedarpo's role in the Ross Institute is nebulous.
Soedarpo, like Ross, has no degree in religious studies or
counseling.  While Ross promotes the "Institute" as a
tax-exempt, non-profit organization and solicits donations
from the public, the "Institute" is clearly a front and
promotional arm for Ross' deprogramming business.

More...
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/RICK_ROSS_AND_THE_ROSS_INSTITUTE.PDF
 
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