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Space Forum / Astronomy / June 2005Great Astronomers - "Keep Looking Up !"
I believe that there is a definite greatness in being able to show everyday people how sometimes difficult, often complex scientific ideas actually work. So this guy, along with people like Isaac Asimov and Carl Sagan, is without a doubt one of the greatest astronomers to ever "keep looking up"! Jack Horkheimer... http://www.jackstargazer.com/ happy days and... starry starry nights!  SignatureSpace must flow As the wind must blow, The wind doth blow If we see it or no. Space doth flow If we need it or no, For if it don't, Where the heck'd we go? Indelibly yours, Paine http://www.savethechildren.org/ http://www.painellsworth.net Lots of reasons more people looked up in the distant past. They liked lying on their backs,and looking at what they thought of as heaven. Much clearer sky. No TV to watch. Comets,and lots more shooting stars. They even could get lucky(like me) and find an iron meteorite. It is possible every one was an astronomer in those good old days of "clear skies" Todays dim sky creates more couch potatoes.That creates fat bodies,and brains. Reality is in this spacetime Astronomy is a TV NOVA show. I call it virtual astronomy. Bert The last place to to be laying on your back to look up at the stars is on the ground in Florida. In the dark you could sit on an fire ant mound. They are there in the thousands,and it would take them 26 seconds to bite you 50 times,and 50 bites means your as good as dead. Best place is Look Out Mountain outside of Denver. You can drive just about to the top. Denver's city lights are far below off to your left,and smog covered. Bert > The last place to to be laying on your back to look up at the stars is > on the ground in Florida. In the dark you could sit on an fire ant > mound. They are there in the thousands,and it would take them 26 > seconds to bite you 50 times,and 50 bites means your as good as dead. Not to mention gators, snakes, and poisonous spiders! > Best place is Look Out Mountain outside of Denver. You can drive > just about to the top. Denver's city lights are far below off to your > left,and smog covered. Bert Here there are too many damn clouds. I've missed the planetary conjunction because of them. It's raining again today. It rarely rains after July 4th though, but often on that holiday of course. We usually get 6 weeks of summer before the fall rains set in! Double-A Hi Double-A I'm on my back porch reading your weather report. Having a bad lightning storm(my dog Rudy is so afraid,and( hiding under my chair) Rain coming down in a solid sheet. Gators now can't tell where the shore of lakes are any more. Big dogs give them a small dinner. We are having an out break of rabies,and I'm wondering if gators can get rabies? That could make for a very bad situation. Cold blooded rabies. Go figure Beert > Hi Double-A I'm on my back porch reading your weather report. Having a > bad lightning storm(my dog Rudy is so afraid,and( hiding under my chair) I had a big collie when I was a boy. He would go burrow under anything he could to escape lightning! He was also gun shy. Just the click of a gun bolt would send him cowering. Still I tried to take him hunting with me. But the first time I would shoot at anything with my 22 rifle, he would be gone! He also had this fetish about chasing airplanes. Where we lived at the time was right under the flight pattern of the jet airliners. When one would come over, the dog would go racing of through the woods, up and down hills, trying to catch that jet! He had beaten paths worn through the woods from his frequent runnings! Have you ever heard of such a thing? > Rain coming down in a solid sheet. Gators now can't tell where the shore > of lakes are any more. Big dogs give them a small dinner. We are having > an out break of rabies,and I'm wondering if gators can get rabies? That > could make for a very bad situation. Cold blooded rabies. Go figure > Beert I think that if you get close enough to a gator for him to bite you, you are already in big trouble, rabies or not! What's put the sharks on the bite in Florida? Sounds like a boy was fishing in the surf this morning and got his leg bit off! Maybe they could change the name of Miami Beach to Shark Beach. It would help keep those pesky tourists away! Ha! Ha! Double-A Hi Double-A 80% chance of rain again today. Jacksonville beach has the most shark attacks. I'm surprised Speilberg did not shoot Jaws there. Many moons ago when scuba diving of Miami beach with the hotel life guard we saw a big shark about 200 feet from us. We got to shore "fast" and he rang a bell and everyone had to get out of the water. This was before Jaws,but you can easily see parts of the book taken from these real life scenarios. I once read killer whales have sharks as their arc enemy,and have yet to see them kill one. Bert > Hi Double-A I'm on my back porch reading your weather report. Having a > bad lightning storm(my dog Rudy is so afraid,and( hiding under my chair) > Rain coming down in a solid sheet. Gators now can't tell where the shore > of lakes are any more. [snip] Bert, I thought Florida was the "Sunshine State"! Rain? In a solid sheet? This time of year? I thought only we Oregonians had to endure year round rain! Double-A Hi double-A Late spring,and all through the summer is the monsoon season. That means lots of thunder storms an rain,just about every day. That is why Florida is the lightning capital of the world. That is why the NASA came up with July 13th to fly the Discovery. It is the heart of the monsoon season. NASA is playing their con game. They have good reason not to fly this piece of garbage,and they won't. That mother of two I feel is safe and sound. I'll give NASA credit for that Bert > Hi double-A Late spring,and all through the summer is the monsoon > season. That means lots of thunder storms an rain,just about every day. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > reason not to fly this piece of garbage,and they won't. That mother of > two I feel is safe and sound. I'll give NASA credit for that Bert Then I guess that "Sunshine State" motto is just a bit of false advertising, huh? Even here in rainy Oregon we usually get six weeks of uninterrupted sunshine in the summer. Double-A Hi nightbat Seems we have BH, Gravastar,and you have your black comet. I like the BH for it has a singularly. Mother nature uses this singularity like a chicken egg,and when the cells inside the chicken egg reach there critical amount the egg pops open and out comes a chick. This is relative to a BH reaching its critical mass of 6 trillion stars and a universe is born. Without a singularity a BH has no meaning. It would be a universe with no intelligent life,and that would be a big waste of space and time(spacetime) Bert > Hi nightbat Seems we have BH, Gravastar,and you have your black comet. > I like the BH for it has a singularly. Mother nature uses this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > would be a universe with no intelligent life,and that would be a big > waste of space and time(spacetime) Bert I thought you said a black hole had structure and a surface? A singularity has no structure and no surface. It takes up no space. All it has is mass. Make up your mind! Double-A nightbat wrote > > Hi nightbat Seems we have BH, Gravastar,and you have your black comet. > > I like the BH for it has a singularly. Mother nature uses this [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Double-A nightbat Officer Bert doesn't understand he has been absorbing my profound nightbat " Black Comet " indications for years but constantly falling back on none real world black holes. You are correct Officer Double-A and just try convincing Officer Bert of it because he keeps apparently favoring the nightbat net " Black Comet " Universe creation logic solution while claiming black hole singularity? It must be those double boiler makers of his they make him see mixed up double. Ask him if a comet has structure and surface and whether all his trillions of star masses take up space, maybe then he'll get it? carry on, the nightbat hi Double-A I don't think mother nature will give me enough time to think about the inner structure of a BH between the surface and its core. I can only say I like the idea of the exact gravity center of the core having a singularity. The singularity could be there at the very start of the implosion of the massive star,or only develop in the trillion of a second the black hole has reached its critical mass of 6 trillion Suns. My thinking ia lot of information is lost(body that has collapsed) when forming a black hole. I have read much stuff by Hawking,Penrose,Wheeler,and friedmann,and even nightbat would not have the nerve to tell these great thinkers that BH are sci-fiction,and there is no reason to think similarities. Similarities prove that GR is an incomplete theory. It goes blank on how the universe began. That is why my new theory has the first stage of a universe taking place inside a Planck length. Only QM and the string theory fit inside this sub-micro realm. Where measurements are a trillion times faster than I( can stop a ray of light in the macro realm) Bert nightbat wrote > hi Double-A I don't think mother nature will give me enough time to > think about the inner structure of a BH between the surface and its [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > nightbat would not have the nerve to tell these great thinkers that BH > are sci-fiction,and there is no reason to think similarities. nightbat You still really don't get it Officer Bert do you, I'm the reason the enigma resolution is at hand and it's the " Black Comet ". For years I have told you there are no black holes Officer Bert, none, not a real world possibility, your deep thinking let astray friends were sci fi wrong get over it. Information is never Universe lost because energy is per mathematical proof eternal. > Bert > Similarities prove that GR is an incomplete theory. It goes blank on how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trillion times faster than I( can stop a ray of light in the macro > realm) Bert nightbat There is no evidence for string theory, none, get over it Officer Bert, and there can be no origination for energy based Universe, because it's eternal and always in one form or another. carry on, the nightbat Hi nightbat You are reading a lot more than I when viewing that potato shaped comet Lookks more like one of those Mars moons to me. Looks more like a large asteroid. I think you jumped on two words and they are black,and comet. If Tempel 1 was round that would show it was a very dense mass great gravity object in a small package. This is not the case. It reflects light. Black because it is made of elements that are black such as carbon,iron etc. It even radiates out infrared photons. So does granite rock because it is radio active(also is a dark rock. What Tempel 1 is telling us is not all comets are alike,and that's goes with not all ateroids are alike,and that goes with not all rock planets are alike,and that goes with not all moons are alike etc. Tell me why you relate this to my black holes? Bert Night and Bert: Painius' posting of that link showing a potato-esque hunk of black rock was clearly tongue-in-cheek. oc nightbat wrote > Night and Bert: > Painius' posting of that link showing a potato-esque > hunk of black rock was clearly tongue-in-cheek. oc nightbat What ever the reason Officer oc the fun begins July 4th for real. Officer Painius hit it on the mark and the fireworks of Universe ancient comet make-up is now within scientific grasp. You complain of some throwing the baby medium out with the bath water, keep your eye on that found " Black Comet " baby, it's like no regular other. carry on, the nightbat nightbat wrote > Hi nightbat You are reading a lot more than I when viewing that potato > shaped comet Lookks more like one of those Mars moons to me. Looks more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are alike,and that goes with not all moons are alike etc. Tell me why > you relate this to my black holes? Bert nightbat Officers Double-A and Painius already did Officer Bert, for black holes are a non real world possibility. Listen, you're not to really blame for your sci fi confusion for some of those prominent scientist's are really responsible for misinterpreting the Einstein presented math. Dr. Einstein never claimed the singularity paradox as black hole for that came Ed Whitten and the rest of the sci fi folks later. Even Hawking joined for 30 year multiverse fantasy until just recently because of nightbat's einstein's mathematical energy eternal reflected pronouncements. The comet chunk the scientist's found is just a baby chip of the Mother massive " Black Comet ". Remember this small comet piece is now in normal gravity field and gravitationally altered from its original heavy gravity main body parent state. It only reflects 4% compared to a normal solar approaching white reflecting with tail dispersing comet. About half the size of Manhattan Island but enough to give the scientist's an internal glimpse of what the originating ancient Mother is composed of. Tempel 1 has taken it lumps as it broke off and fell long ago into normal gravity field. The evolved Mother " Black Comet " is now a planet surrounded by water and massive end of fusion cycle heavy concentrated core iron. Dr. Einstein and Dr. Tesla pondered about it and humble nightbat key found it. Energy required for fantasy black hole versus concentrated iron See: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=black+holes+Whitten&page=1&off set=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Dc96b75b8e92fb2f9%26clicke dItemRank%3D9%26userQuery%3Dblack%2Bholes%2BWhitten%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A %252F%252Fwww-tech.mit.edu%252FV119%252FN30%252F30jaffe.30n.html%26invocationTyp e%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPResults%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-t ech.mit.edu%2FV119%2FN30%2F30jaffe.30n.html carry on, the nightbat > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > recently because of nightbat's einstein's mathematical energy eternal > reflected pronouncements. [snip] I bet Hawking has learned a lot from secretly lurking in these newgroups! Double-A nightbat wrote > > nightbat wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Double-A nightbat Yes most likely since they have the time and University paid internet and computer access. Not to mention professional scientist or researcher only member sites and some which require paid membership and University member registration and affiliation requirements for gaining view to listed papers. I know I learned from my Officers much like you for instance Officer Double-A about your extinct volcano Mars theory and comprehensive planetary reports with links, or Officer Bert's life saving tubes. Officer oc's for Wolter's donut engine out of this Universe theory, Officer Bohne's immense Star Folks related mermaid site info, Officer Greysky's FTL iterations, Officer Painius science 101+ and great poetry, including Officer Twitty's sweet talk. Officer Zinni's right on time interesting frame directed net corrections, Officer Luigi's checking up on Officer Bert's far out darts, Officer Uncle Al's one liners, Officer hanson's never flub additions, and on and on. What really made Hawking's retract from sci fi loss of info false black hole imaginations is any bodies guess and very well the multi net science group posters. If what you post makes sense and has logic folks have a way of listening and absorbing what is important especially when link relative knowledge reference pointing or affirming. Why they would remove particular all science net posts pre 2000 like nightbat's from google is another question. Perhaps too vital for National Security reasons even if on the home front Officer oc still feels Princess Darla is a fakeian with respectfully Officer Bohne right behind. carry on, the nightbat > > Hi nightbat Seems we have BH, Gravastar,and you have your black comet. > > I like the BH for it has a singularly. Mother nature uses this [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Double-Anus Look at the two arseholes on the elephant! http://www.brianeb.com/images/Filth/Two%20Assholes%20On%20The%20Elephant.gif > > > Hi nightbat Seems we have BH, Gravastar,and you have your black comet. > > > I like the BH for it has a singularly. Mother nature uses this [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.brianeb.com/images/Filth/Two%20Assholes%20On%20The%20Elephant.gif OK, Spruce. How'd you get that nickname, anyway? Reminds me of a line from the classic novel, "Candy": "Don't take any wooden organs." How'd in happen, Bruce? In the war? Double-A |
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